Homeopathy

That's all well and good until you get cancer and decide to "treat" it with homeopathy instead of going to a real doctor.


The very principle of homeopathy, dilution, is unscientific.

There's no homeopathic cure for cancer so what's the point?
There are NO homeopathic remedies for every illness, but you can cure many illnesses that modern medicine couldn't cure that well or could cure in a "worse way".

Also you get "dilution" wrong, I sometimes read some bullshit about it like that "water remembers what have been in it before" bla bla and it is bullshit indeed. I even remember some bbc article on that with some wannabe homeopathic doctor. It's a big misunderstanding.

The very principle of the method you consider unsciencific is for example using allergens in a small amount over a large amount of time to cure your allergies. For example if you're allergic to spruce they give you a small amount of spruce to make your organism get used to it. If you're allergic to milk they will give you a small amount of milk's allergens to cure you. With time you will get more and more immune to it.

It works in the very same way as when people allergic to dust will go to a dusted place and will suffer from allergy but the more they will spend there the more they will get immune to it. It's a natural order and this is how homeopathy in this case works.

My doctor I mentioned before represents the holistic medicine not homeopathy as a whole but she uses many many homeopathic remedies and they do work, your doctor just has to know what do you want to cure with it and which remedies do work and which are placebo so the main point is to get the right doctor.
 
But to rule something out simply because you don't understand it is a little silly. Why shouldn't it be used as an accompanyment to modern medicine?
What is there to understand? It doesn't work, studies have shown that it doesn't work, science tells us why it doesn't work. If we start giving credence to homeopathy, then why not the millions of other snake oil cures that people peddle? Why not start recommending magnet therapy, or holy water, or crystal healing?
 
Homeopathy can cure broken bones instantly. If Christopher Reeve had used it, he'd be alive and riding again.

Obesity- cured
Down's Syndrome-cured
AIDS-cured
Sexual pedophilia-cured
These niggas on my dick yo-cured
 
Homeopathy can cure broken bones instantly. If Christopher Reeve had used it, he'd be alive and riding again.

Obesity- cured
Down's Syndrome-cured
AIDS-cured
Sexual pedophilia-cured
These niggas on my dick yo-cured
I was getting excited until I saw that last one and realised it was all a simple lampoon.

I guess I'm doomed to spend the rest of my days as an obese, Down's Syndrome pedophile with AIDS.
 
What is there to understand? It doesn't work, studies have shown that it doesn't work, science tells us why it doesn't work. If we start giving credence to homeopathy, then why not the millions of other snake oil cures that people peddle? Why not start recommending magnet therapy, or holy water, or crystal healing?

I hate to argue with people with greater intelligence. But you are wrong. I'm not saying homeopathy works. I am not saying it doesn't. I am saying it's Ignorant to group it in with witch doctor medicine. The fact is, people have had success with it. GP's are using it. For every study for it, there is 1 against it. So I'd say it's pretty undecided. It sounds stupid, treating illness with diluted illness, but let's not completely rule it out. Even if it is placebo, it's still positive for the sufferer.

To be honest your argument lost all credibility to me with the ridiculous post about Cancer.
 
There's no homeopathic cure for cancer so what's the point?
http://www.lifepositive.com/Body/body-holistic/cancer-cure/homeopathic-cancer-treatments.asp http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_251/ai_n6112660
http://www.vitalitymagazine.com/node/270
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/cancer.htm
http://cancer122.50megs.com/contact.html

Several sources claiming that homeopathy can cure cancer, including (in the latter) a hospital in Malaysia which treats cancer with homeopathy.

The very principle of the method you consider unsciencific is for example using allergens in a small amount over a large amount of time to cure your allergies. For example if you're allergic to spruce they give you a small amount of spruce to make your organism get used to it. If you're allergic to milk they will give you a small amount of milk's allergens to cure you. With time you will get more and more immune to it.
Homeopathy is NOT immunotherapy. Immunotherapy, like you said, allows the body to develop an immunity to an allergen or a disease by exposing the immune system to it. Homeopathy takes something which causes similar symptoms (so, because onions make your eyes water, they cure colds) and then dilutes it until its molecules are no longer present. So it's like saying "pollen makes you sneeze, so does pepper, so I'll dilute some pepper into water over and over again until there's no pepper left at all, and drinking that water will cure your allergy."

My doctor I mentioned before represents the holistic medicine not homeopathy as a whole but she uses many many homeopathic remedies and they do work, your doctor just has to know what do you want to cure with it and which remedies do work and which are placebo so the main point is to get the right doctor.
The idea that some of them work and some of them don't is ridiculous. The scientific principle behind them is flawed, so none of them work. And the research reflects that.

I am saying it's Ignorant to group it in with witch doctor medicine. The fact is, people have had success with it. GP's are using it. For every study for it, there is 1 against it. So I'd say it's pretty undecided.
People have had just as much "success" with crystal healing, prayer therapy and sugar pills.

And the idea that there is plenty of serious, scientific research that validates homeopathic claims, that's simply untrue. There are far more studies showing that homeopathy has no effect than there are claiming the opposite, and those studies which do claim the opposite have been criticised.

It sounds stupid, treating illness with diluted illness
It doesn't just sound stupid, it's scientifically impossible.

To be honest your argument lost all credibility to me with the ridiculous post about Cancer.
Why is that ridiculous? There are people out there who will develop cancer and will decide to treat it with some kind of alternative medicine.
 
Please guys, dont you see that arguing with Illu is useless? Hes right, you are wrong. Now go and learn something.
 
^^^

I feel sorry for your mother.


How can I be wrong? For suggesting he has an open mind? Let me guess. In a previous life you were standing with all the scholars, laughing when people suggested the world was round.





As I said before. Scientific facts have been found to support Homeopathy, and to disprove it. Like Masta said it depends on the doctor. No-one here is stupid enough to try and treat a serious illness with homeopathic remedies only.

I am not arguing for Homeopathy. I am merely keeping an open mind.

I gotta run to the doctor. To get some nice old fashioned medicine. So I will continue this tomorrow.
 
How can I be wrong? For suggesting he has an open mind? Let me guess. In a previous life you were standing with all the scholars, laughing when people suggested the world was round.

You are wrong for claiming there are as much studies out there proving homeopathy works as there are studies out there which say it doesnt.

Suggesting he has an open mind? Well, he has. He looked at the facts, analyzed it and came to a conclusion. Which is: Homepathy doesnt work.

But i applaud you for having an open mind.lol
 
I was trying not to get started on this topic, but resistance is futile and I wound up writing an essay-length post anyway.

There are people out there who will develop cancer and will decide to treat it with some kind of alternative medicine.
Worse still, there are people out there who develop cancer and decide to treat it using conventional chemotherapies, most of which have no science behind them, have no anecdotes behind them, do not work, and wind up killing many before the cancer does.

People are looking to alternative medicine because orthodox medicine has not lived up to its billing as the be-all and end-all in health maintenance. Maybe 15% of conventional medical treatment is effective. The other 85% is either ineffective or proven harmful. Traditional medicine does a superb job in certain crisis-oriented spheres (e.g., trauma, strokes, organ transplants and burns). But an objective, detached review of overall care paints a different picture. In the management of chronic conditions (e.g., heart disease, cancer, arthritis, mental illness and diabetes), traditional medicine has fallen short.

Despite this being co-opted by hucksters and charlatans, it really is true that the pharmaceutical industry has leveraged medical treatment and knowledge. They often decide what gets funded, and it’s not alternatives to toxic drugs. With misplaced pride, the medical establishment tells us that we are in the midst of a war on cancer, a war on AIDS, a war on mental illness, a war on diabetes, a war on heart disease, and a war on arthritis.

In reality, what we are in the midst of is a medical Vietnam. This medical Vietnam produces 780,000 casualties each year in the US alone—people dying because of medicine. The number-one cause of death in America is bad medicine—the traditional kind. If homeopathy or all alternative treatments combined were killing 780,000 people each year, there would be hangings on each corner.

So, no, medicine does not use the best science. It can’t think outside the box of politics and profit that it’s intimately locked into, and hence, it’s compromised and limited. Medicine has held on tightly to its current paradigm. Look at Vioxx, Celebrex, Ritalin, and Prozac. Look at the Dalcon Shield and DES. Look at all the things that medicine has said would make things better. They have made things worse—far worse. And yet the medical community has continued on with no change in their protocols.

Conventional medicine is based on a flawed model, one oriented toward acute illness rather than chronic illness. It’s a model based on often unrelated, pharmaceutically motivated scientific studies that have no cohesive framework or purpose, a haphazard collection of scientific data that leaves both patient and doctor without an organizing principle around which to think problems through.

And yet all along, science has been saying that you can slow down and even prevent most diseases if you just pay attention to what you are putting in your body. I’ve referenced more than 545,000 studies in peer review journals just on the use of vitamins and minerals in treating various diseases alone. The studies describe their biochemistry, their safety, and their efficacy. If you ask the average doctor, they are ignorant of nearly all of these studies. Their profession can’t afford to even know about it, let alone use it.

Many excellent treatments have been ignored by the medical community for long periods of time, even in the face of their efficacy. Why? Because doctors are not taught, much less encouraged, to think out of the box. Instead, they are trained to discard or ignore therapies and approaches that have not been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, even if these therapies or approaches make sense from the context of what is known about a particular condition or disease.

What’s needed is a paradigm shift. We need to create a public health science with public health practitioners—people specifically trained in the art and science of rejuvenation, detoxification, and utilization. Your physician has no background in this, and medical science is in no position to tell us what alternative therapies have efficacy or not. Remember, medicine is not a science; it’s a profession. One that’s short sighted and manipulated.
 
Shall I now jump on Jokerman's dick, like Sebastian did Illuminatile's? ;)

While I don't agree with all the points. You have to keep an open mind. Like the great point he makes about cancer treatments. Which is why I would rather see people's experiences with Homeopathy than completely rule it out just because I (and science) don't understand it. Modern medicine is sometimes worse than the illness. I know of people with Bi-polar who cannot live with their medicine or without it. I have a chronic illness too. And While I am not taking anything at the moment, the treatments at times are very basic and not very scientific.


I often dispare at modern medicine. They can do something amazing with microchips, making them powerful and tiny. And they can put a man on the moon. But they cannot advance beyond cutting out problem areas of the body, or using radiation to kill every cell. It is pretty barbaric.
 

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