Heaven DOESNT exist!

[Ristol]

I already agreed with all that.

Did religious fanatics create nuclear bombs, or did a Godless scientist pave the way? Nevermind that religious fanatics will probably push the button. #imscaredofpakistan

 

[Prize Gotti]

I already agreed with all that.

Did religious fanatics create nuclear bombs, or did a Godless scientist pave the way? Nevermind that religious fanatics will probably push the button. #imscaredofpakistan

Religious fanatics created war, and paid the godless scientists to provide them with the tools so they could play God.

 

[Jokerman]

If you want to call Stephen Hawking wrong, you better be able to back up that shit and say why.

"There is no heaven of afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people who are afraid of the dark."

He's flat-out wrong here. When one of my computers died I was able to establish contact with its free-partition mirror backup, which is the equivalent of the soul! So where was it? I say it was in computer heaven. It mentioned experiencing a blinding light (electric surge?) and being greeted by its mother...um, board.

 

[cS bIsHoP]

Hey Casey Rain,

Go look up Christopher Langan, "The smartest man in the world", who says he can prove there is a god and an afterlife mathematically. Go read his Cognitive Theoretic Model of the Universe, don't worry, you won't make it out of the first paragraph. Then when you tell yourself he is irrational, remind yourself that Stephen Hawking espouses the multi-verse theory, which relies solely on mathematics to prove an infinite amount of unobservable universes, and hence he says this proves there is no god. Forget that this theory relies on eternal, immutable, transcendent laws; that simply always had to exist. Then go choke on your failed logic.

 

[Ristol]

Bishop, you made a fine point and then you were mean. Lose that last sentence.

 

[ARon]

He doesn't need to lose the last sentence, quit being such a bitch

 

[Ristol]

I think it takes away from his argument and will just serve to make Casey post a novella-length diatribe about being rational, you turtle-looking motherfucker.

 

[Shadows]

Sadly, people of faith are generally lacking in these areas.

No, people of RELIGION are lacking in these areas, not Faith because Science cannot prove Faith is wrong.

I don't know if theres a God, but from logic and rational thought I know the concept of it is rediculous.

Think of it this way, if science existed before religion, would there be any religion at all?

Back then, the concept of the Earth being round was rediculous bc of what they knew. Which was NOTHING.

If science existed before religion, religion would still exist, because science still doesn't answer everything.

Hawking can know all of the "MYSTERIES" of space and what not, but it still is in fact, a mystery to Science, that isn't a mystery to the Bible, "words from God."

Hawking is smart in this life, but isn't smart in what goes on in the after life.

im tired of you guys saying that the Bible created war or started it.

You guys are not arguing with logic about that because you guys are emotionally tied to the fact that Science has logic in it and Religion doesn't. Stupid people that misinterpret the Bible do. Stupid people that use the Bible as an excuse to seem right do.

Christians or whatever misinterpret the Bible. Like today, the world was supposed to end "According to the Bible"

BUT

People of Faith that follow the book proper, know that no human being can predict the world to end according to one of the verses, I forget mathews 54: something.

Again, Misinterpretation.

Today, I read an Atheist of FB say "If that person was so good, why didn't your God stop bad things from happening to them" Nice logic...but...

God does not control ppl and the person may have been good in our eyes, but were they good in the eyes of God?

For instance, the person may have been doing 90% of the things right, but jacking off to porn is a SIN and we don't know what God knows behind closed doors...so he may have been perfect to us, but the person may have been doing wrong in the eyes of God.

The Bible says to follow Jesus Christ, not religion.

By following Religion, you are following a man made idea, which makes him jealous bc he knows he's basically, the shit. Not Prince, Not Tupac.etc...

The logic that Hawking basically has the highest IQ is lame. Has anyone not seen "are you smarter than a 5th grader?"

I'm sure the people that go on that show or whatever are smarter than 5th graders in general....but not on what those 5th graders are taught or have INTEREST in at the specific moment to learn.

Try this logic:

A successful drug dealer can argue with Hawking about running the streets and know more than he can possibly know in that situation.

Therefore, Ristol is right, whether God/Heaven exists or not.

This man knows nothing of Death, even if he understands space and LIFE more than anything, not DEATH.

"There is no heaven of afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people who are afraid of the dark."

He's flat-out wrong here. When one of my computers died I was able to establish contact with its free-partition mirror backup, which is the equivalent of the soul! So where was it? I say it was in computer heaven. It mentioned experiencing a blinding light (electric surge?) and being greeted by its mother...um, board.

You are right, there is no heaven for computers because human beings cannot create heaven.

The only thing I can possbily create for a dead computer is a bigger box and putting all the good parts that are still good in a bigger computer.

Though....to that, It might be a heaven to that dead computer.

 

[ARon]

I admit this picture does sort of make me look like a turtle, but your homo checking another guy out comment is irrelevant. Casey is due for a novella length diatribe, I would guess he's 3 or 4 behind in his 6 month quota so I'm prepared for it. and your baby daughter is chubby, put her on a veggie diet you irresponsible filth.


Im pretty sure you wont but please dont take your daughter comment serious haha i dont know what I'm thinkin

 

[Shadows]

Hey Casey Rain,

Go look up Christopher Langan, "The smartest man in the world", who says he can prove there is a god and an afterlife mathematically. Go read his Cognitive Theoretic Model of the Universe, don't worry, you won't make it out of the first paragraph. Then when you tell yourself he is irrational, remind yourself that Stephen Hawking espouses the multi-verse theory, which relies solely on mathematics to prove an infinite amount of unobservable universes, and hence he says this proves there is no god. Forget that this theory relies on eternal, immutable, transcendent laws; that simply always had to exist. Then go choke on your failed logic.

damn, i had this opened and didn't reply till after.

Good Post.

It reminds me of the Cure for Cancer.

No one cares because it doesn't bring money.

and as someone said earlier in this thread,

posting this Hawking statement is made to blow stuff out of porption, which is funny bc it's the day of the "failed armagedon" prediction....which.. is the best time to do it.

If you Atheists or people that misinterpret the Bible don't see that this was just a stunt, you guys truly don't have logic.

 

[Ristol]

I admit this picture does sort of make me look like a turtle, but your homo checking another guy out comment is irrelevant. Casey is due for a novella length diatribe, I would guess he's 3 or 4 behind in his 6 month quota so I'm prepared for it. and your baby daughter is chubby, put her on a veggie diet you irresponsible filth.


Im pretty sure you wont but please dont take your daughter comment serious haha i dont know what I'm thinkin

It's funny that you added that, because I felt a powerful Internet Rage rising in me when I read it without the addendum.

Just kidding. Yeah, she's very chubby. It's unexplainable, really. I insist on a healthy diet of McNuggets and soda for her, but she's still very round. Am I doing it wrong?

 

[ARon]

You need to dip the nuggets in ranch or honey mustard then you will be ok

 

[Pittsey]

Religious people wear shit clothes and are super dorks. Enough said.

If there was a god he'd make the religious lot cool and succesful. Not dweebs.

I don't think you'll find a flaw in my logic.

STEVE HOLT.

 

[S O F I]

sorry aron, but I died at the turtle comment.

but then I sprung back to life, so fuck Hawking.

 

[Tha_Wood]

Religious people wear shit clothes and are super dorks. Enough said.

If there was a god he'd make the religious lot cool and succesful. Not dweebs.

I don't think you'll find a flaw in my logic.

STEVE HOLT.

haha steve holt, very nice.

although i must admit i am a man of faith.

 

[Tha_Wood]

The world is full of illogical choices. why is believing in a higher power any more illogical?

 

[Pittsey]

If you Atheists or people that misinterpret the Bible don't see that this was just a stunt, you guys truly don't have logic.

Can you name me someone who doesn't misinterpret the bible? Can you name me someone who has a bible in it's original form, and not the English translated bible? Can you name me a religion that doesn't teach the poorly translated version of the bible?

Catholics believe that wine turns into the blood of christ inside the human body, and that a cracker turns into his body inside the body. It isn't symbolic, it is literal.

1. Is this Canibilism? 2. Are they fucking mental?

 

[Jokerman]

The problem with this subject is that most people, including Hawking, are not looking at it the right way. And so the wrong questions are being asked; hence, the wrong answers are given: yes, there is an afterlife, or no. If you say yes, it's most likely because you're religious and therefore not a very critical thinker. Or if you are, you've just decided to accept your faith's beliefs in heaven or whatever and put your critical skills to the side when it comes to this subject. If you say no, like Hawking, and ask, "How can there be any sort of life after death?" and "How can consciousness exist without a brain," you are a rational and critical thinker and have not put a faith's beliefs above your intellect. (Which is basically most unreligious smart people's take.) And that's as far as the inquiry or debate goes.

But there's another way to look at this. Of course, faith's idea of an afterlife is naive and obviously wishful. But what if those rational and critical questions stem from a failure to grasp the true nature of consciousness? Hawking is not a philosopher, but even great scientific minds like Einstein and Bohr saw the connections between what they were theorizing and mysticism.

I'm not going to write a book here about this, but things that need to be considered are the world of quantum mechanics, where nothing is solid or defined, where subject and object are blurred, where consciousness is a part of the fabric of nature in a fundamental way. We need to consider the evolutionary origins and purpose of language, of consciousness, and of the sense of self. We need to look at things as they are and distinguish that from the framework of interpretation--scientific reductionism-- that we have merely agreed upon. If we do that, we will come to understand that consciousness is not what we think it is, and it's always there. No beginning or end.

 

[Casey]

Hey Bishop, it's ironic that you want me to "choke" on something, faggot

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=choking+the+bishop

 

[Pittsey]

The problem with this subject is that most people, including Hawking, are not looking at it the right way. And so, the wrong questions are being asked; hence, the wrong answers are given: yes, there is an afterlife, or no. If you say yes, it's most likely because you're religious and therefore not a very critical thinker. Or if you are, you've just decided to accept your faith's beliefs in heaven or whatever and put your critical skills to the side when it comes to this subject. If you say no, like Hawking, and ask, "How can there be any sort of life after death?" and "How can consciousness exist without a brain," you are a rational and critical thinker and have not put a faith's beliefs above your intellect. (Which is basically most unreligious smart people's take.) And that's as far as the inquiry or debate goes.

But there's another way to look at this. Of course, faith's idea of an afterlife is naive and obviously wishful. But what if those rational and critical questions stem from a failure to grasp the true nature of consciousness? Hawking is not a philosopher, but even great scientific minds like Einstein and Bohr saw the connections between what they were theorizing and mysticism.

I'm not going to write a book here about this, but things that need to be considered are the world of quantum mechanics, where nothing is solid or defined, where subject and object are blurred, where consciousness is a part of the fabric of nature in a fundamental way. We need to consider the evolutionary origins and purpose of language, of consciousness, and of the sense of self. We need to look at things as they are and distinguish that from the framework of interpretation--scientific reductionism-- that we have merely agreed upon. If we do that, we will come to understand that consciousness is not what we think it is, and it's always there. No beginning or end.

What if you believe Quantum Physics is just as deniable as religion?