George dubya

[Duke]

^ Any freaking president would've stopped the attacks when those FBI agents sent memos after memos warning the white house of a possible attack using airplanes. He ignored those warning. He wanted the attacks to happen.

The whole plan is to control those oil fields. Don't be so ignorant you are blinded by the false information you are being fed.

C'mon, man, i'm with you on GWB being a bad president, but don't play the oil card. That's so old and untrue.

 

[Jurhum]

C'mon, man, i'm with you on GWB being a bad president, but don't play the oil card. That's so old and untrue.

Perhaps you do not see it as I may see it, but the fact remains that the oil fields is one of many things the war was about. It might not be so clear. But, If he didn't do it for himself, there are other people who benefited from this war through oil. Mainly, Hulliburton. That company is making millions and billions of dollars from thier contracts in Iraq. If you look closely, you will find the links between the White House and that Company.

 

[bigmack]

Perhaps you do not see it as I may see it, but the fact remains that the oil fields is one of many things the war was about. It might not be so clear. But, If he didn't do it for himself, there are other people who benefited from this war through oil. Mainly, Hulliburton. That company is making millions and billions of dollars from thier contracts in Iraq. If you look closely, you will find the links between the White House and that Company.

well if bush or his camp actually did that,then they did a fuckin good job controlling the oil. i give him props. bushy gettin payed thats for sure

 

[Zero Cool]

^ Any freaking president would've stopped the attacks when those FBI agents sent memos after memos warning the white house of a possible attack using airplanes. He ignored those warning. He wanted the attacks to happen.

The whole plan is to control those oil fields. Don't be so ignorant you are blinded by the false information you are being fed.

Asinine rubbish. What proof do you have to back up these almost comedic assertions? No matter what President was in power those attacks would have taken place. Bush's response was calm and timely.

As Duke has said this beyond-stupid "oil card" has just gotten boring, if you want to criticize him at least do it on a proper and truthful footing.

 

[Jurhum]

the oil field thing is an excuse. BUT if it were true, i give him credit cuz he was able to do that. shit if i had the opportunity to make me richer i would take it. by all means,if u can get payed then get payed nigga.

In that case, you are hopeless.

 

[bigmack]

Asinine rubbish. What proof do you have to back up these almost comedic assertions? No matter what President was in power those attacks would have taken place. Bush's response was calm and timely.

As Duke has said this beyond-stupid "oil card" has just gotten boring, if you want to criticize him at least do it on a proper and truthful footing.

lol he watched fahrenheit 9/11

 

[Jurhum]

Asinine rubbish. What proof do you have to back up these almost comedic assertions? No matter what President was in power those attacks would have taken place. Bush's response was calm and timely.

As Duke has said this beyond-stupid "oil card" has just gotten boring, if you want to criticize him at least do it on a proper and truthful footing.

Unless those FBI agents were lying, that's as hard proof as can get. It's not assertion. It's fact.

 

[Duke]

Perhaps you do not see it as I may see it, but the fact remains that the oil fields is one of many things the war was about. It might not be so clear. But, If he didn't do it for himself, there are other people who benefited from this war through oil. Mainly, Hulliburton. That company is making millions and billions of dollars from thier contracts in Iraq. If you look closely, you will find the links between the White House and that Company.

Ah, now you're speaking my mind. I have no doubt that Iraq oil reserves was one of the reasons for this war. But certainly not THE reason. I know you know better but i'm getting sick of people that are claiming that Bush concocted this war to get his pretzeled mits on Iraqs oil. It's so shortsighted.

Regardless, put in a very neutral way, getting a big influence in a region with big oil reserves (ie Iraq) is certainly beneficial to certain people/instances in the States.

 

[Devious]

Oil definitely played a key part in the Iraq invasion, I am a firm believer of that. I look at it this way: Why Iraq? Shit in Darfur and Sudan is worse than what was going on in Iraq, why didn't they "liberate" these people? Simple, there's no oil. And bigmack, there's nothing wrong about getting paid, but when getting paid means invading a country and costing the lives of that country's citizens and your own soldiers, it's time to rethink your business plans

 

[Duke]

Oil definitely played a key part in the Iraq invasion, I am a firm believer of that. I look at it this way: Why Iraq? Shit in Darfur and Sudan is worse than what was going on in Iraq, why didn't they "liberate" these people? Simple, there's no oil. And bigmack, there's nothing wrong about getting paid, but when getting paid means invading a country and costing the lives of that country's citizens and your own soldiers, it's time to rethink your business plans

We're talking about capitalist nation #1 here. They certainly rethought their business plans, sadly enough human lives weren't valued high enough apparently.

 

[Zero Cool]

Unless those FBI agents were lying, that's as hard proof as can get. It's not assertion. It's fact.

It's also true that you're are spinning this "fact" out of all proportion and claiming it as a basis for a pre-warning for 9/11. Those FBI agents indicated that an attack by aeroplanes was possible in the same way that a suicide bombing attack on the White House was possible i.e. it was a theoretical possibility not a fait accompli. Can you give me ANY other proof to indicate that Bush had prior knowledge of the attacks and even more ludicrously wanted them to happen!? What propagandic rubbish you espouse. It looks like it is you sir who has been brainwashed not us.

 

[bigmack]

Oil definitely played a key part in the Iraq invasion, I am a firm believer of that. I look at it this way: Why Iraq? Shit in Darfur and Sudan is worse than what was going on in Iraq, why didn't they "liberate" these people? Simple, there's no oil. And bigmack, there's nothing wrong about getting paid, but when getting paid means invading a country and costing the lives of that country's citizens and your own soldiers, it's time to rethink your business plans

well, actually no. its not like that. if you want to believe it was "for the oil", then the oil was just a benefit in the invasion. there wasnt killings and bombs and shit "just for the oil". whoever believes that is a fool. the oil just happened to be there,so what the hell. take it and run.

 

[Devious]

But like I said, why didn't they "liberate" these countries that are far worse off than Iraq? I'm not saying oil was the only reason, but it had to be one of the main reasons. I just can't see any way around that. And besides, is Iraq really better off now? Sure, Saddam's not in power anymore, which is a good thing. But there weren't daily suicide bombings and car bombings before the invasion, were there? People in Iraq can't even leave their homes without worrying if they will even live to make it to the end of the block

 

[Jurhum]

It's also true that you're are spinning this "fact" out of all proportion and claiming it as a basis for a pre-warning for 9/11. Those FBI agents indicated that an attack by aeroplanes was possible in the same way that a suicide bombing attack on the White House was possible i.e. it was a theoretical possibility not a fait accompli. Can you give me ANY other proof to indicate that Bush had prior knowledge of the attacks and even more ludicrously wanted them to happen!? What propagandic rubbish you espouse. It looks like it is you sir who has been brainwashed not us.

I do not spin facts out of proportion or shit. I bring the truth to you. You either accept it or decline. I believe you have heard of the "Phoenix memo"? If so, you might take that into consideration.

..."Phoenix memo" last summer warning about that Arab students training at U.S. aviation schools were linked to a militant Muslim group.In addition, Williams' memo had identified another Muslim figure in Arizona — who was not training at aviation schools but was linked through phone communications to one of bin Laden's top lieutenants, Abu Zubaydah, the officials said, speaking only on condition of anonymity.

The agent spent extensive time trying to link that man to one of the students, but never succeeded, officials said.

The officials declined to further describe the communications or the man who contacted Abu Zubaydah, citing concerns about protecting intelligence-gathering methods.

Abu Zubaydah is believed to be bin Laden's operational chief, who ran al-Qaida's terrorist training camps and is suspected of helping organize the Sept. 11 hijackings, U.S. officials have said previously.

Abu Zubaydah was captured by the FBI and Pakistani officials during a raid in March and remains in U.S. custody. During interrogations, Abu Zubaydah has alleged several threats against U.S. targets that have prompted protective warnings, officials say...

-CBS

 

[Zero Cool]

Devious that's the equivilant to saying was there wasn't anything wrong until Hitler invaded Poland. Despite what the left-wingers would have believe Iraq is well on the way to recovery.

 

[Zero Cool]

I do not spin facts out of proportion or shit. I bring the truth to you. You either accept it or decline. I believe you have heard of the "Phoenix memo"? If so, you might take that into consideration.

Where exactly in this memo does it warn of an impending attack or even the likelihood of such a one? Again a group had "links" to another group etc. Before 9/11 this had far lesser connoctations that it did thereafter. As I've said everything was in the realm of theoretical possibilty not an impending warning of that to come. President Bush as those before him would have dealt with these sorts of memo's on a weekly basis. Never is it even hinted that an attack or the likelihood of one may be in the offing. Again I challenge you to provide me with any conclusive evidence which indicates that Bush knew about the attacks beforehand and even more ludicrously wanted them to happen!

 

[Devious]

I think they will recover eventually, but "well on the way?" I certainly don't see it. As long as American forces are there, this shit will keep happening. And I have a feeling that, even though they say they are going to leave, there will remain an American presence there

 

[bigmack]

if anything its the CIA's fault for fuckin up. it doesnt matter which president u had when this happened,it was the CIA's job to gather all the info,and then they could have acted. but with insufficient information,nothing could have been done period. so stop blaming the president. he's not superman.

 

[Jurhum]

Where exactly in this memo does it warn of an impending attack or even the likelihood of such a one?

Not exactly the 9/11 attack but one of terroristic nature. I quote a paragraph from the memo's, "gives reason to believe that coordinated effort is underway to establish a cadre of individuals who will one day be working in the civil aviation community arround the world. These individuals will be in a position in the future to conduct terror activity against civil aviation targets." This is regarding the students.

Again a group had "links" to another group etc. Before 9/11 this had far lesser connoctations that it did thereafter. As I've said everything was in the realm of theoretical possibilty not an impending warning of that to come. President Bush as those before him would have dealt with these sorts of memo's on a weekly basis. Never is it even hinted that an attack or the likelihood of one may be in the offing.

How can it be taking less seriously after the Embassy bombings and the USS Cole Destroyer. Is it that unimportant? Why is the FBI in place? Wasn't Osama and anyone linked to him considered?

Again I challenge you to provide me with any conclusive evidence which indicates that Bush knew about the attacks beforehand and even more ludicrously wanted them to happen!

Unless Bush deosn't get updated, he should have known that there was a threat. Something supsicious at least. Anything. He should have oredered the CIA, FBI and whatever have you to look into and with more effort.

 

[Jurhum]

if anything its the CIA's fault for fuckin up. it doesnt matter which president u had when this happened,it was the CIA's job to gather all the info,and then they could have acted. but with insufficient information,nothing could have been done period. so stop blaming the president. he's not superman.

No. He is the president. He takes responsiblity for everything that goes wrong and everything that goes right. He is the head of the state. He is in charge, therefore, he takes charge.