Gaza

[devils_advok8]

The holiest sites in the religion still reside in Jerusalem. Using that type of logic, why would an American born Muslim feel any attachment to Mecca?

Ofcourse he can.He can be granted a visa, do Hajj and Omra, get to learn more about his religion, etc.Surely he feel attached to the place he prays to in his prayers?You must (as a muslim) face the Kaa'ba in your prayers.

Here's the map of the Partition Plan. If my memory serves me correctly, almost the entire Negev Desert is in Israel in that map.

Yeah, but the Negev was almost vacant.There are only 9 Negevi tribes, I believe.I was talking about populous Arab cities.

The chart's a little vague, in that I can't tell if it represents the % of landowners or the % of land.

It's a 1945 census.It shows the percentage of land owned by both sides when it was published.
Here's a few examples:
Ramallah: 99% Arab
Nablus: 87% Arab, less than 1% Zionist, and around 13% by the public/british government and other.
Jaffa: 47% Arab, 39% Zionist, 14% other
Acre: 87% Arab, 3% Zionist, 10% other.
Tiberius: 51% Arab, 38% Zionist, 11% other.
BeerSheva - Negev Desert: 15% Arab, less than 1% Zionist, 85% other.
As you can see, the closest they got to was 38% in Tiberius and 39% in Jaffa.

I'm assuming it's the latter. If Arabs living there for generations had taken up 80% of the region around Jaffa, that doesn't mean there were more of them on that 80% than there were migrating Jews in the other 20%. Under a representative government, Jews would still form a majority in that region, thus making a Jewish state of Israel possible.

You're right.But it's the landownership that counts.Let's say I live in the US and I owned 1% of the land.It's my land and I had, let's say, 99% of the household were Columbians working for me.It doesn't mean they can declare it as their state.

And the displacement of Palestinians from that land was caused by an invasion of the region by Arab militias, not by Jewish settlement.

I agree.I'd be blind to deny that the Arab governments had nothing to do with it.They basically told the Palestinians to leave the country while they enter and kick out the Jews.They refused to hand the Palestinians artillery and insisted on doing the job themselves, those who left have left, leaving everything behind, causing one of the greatest diasporas of all time.Those who stayed are the so-called Arab-Israelis.

 

[Baukem]

ok here's the deal

palestinians can get the negev dessert if the jews can keep the rest... sounds good? then ull have plenty of space xD

 

[Morris]

You're right.But it's the landownership that counts.

Land ownership doesn't count at all. If 2 Jews own 1 acre of land each while a Palestinian owns 10,000 acres, there is still a Jewish majority in that region.

Let's say I live in the US and I owned 1% of the land.It's my land and I had, let's say, 99% of the household were Columbians working for me.It doesn't mean they can declare it as their state.

You used a weird analogy. But if the Columbians were eligible to vote, they'd have a huge reprsentative majority in that region/government anyway. If the League of Nations, the British and the Allied Powers stipulated that those Columbians would have a state of their own in the region, and you accepted it (like the Arabs did in 1917), then there wouldn't be much of a problem.

 

[Kareem]

this subject has been beaten to death a billion times, Israel will never admit to any wrong doing an will forever fail to see themselves pulling the same tactics as their nazi oppressors did to them. Of course they havent shipped palestinians off to death camps by the millions but damn there is a huge humanitarian crisis over there. all in all we (humans) are the only beings on this planet that slaughter , destroy an jus all out treat each other like shit. Thats all im a say cause this argument is just gonna go on and on. salaam

 

[Baukem]

this subject has been beaten to death a billion times, Israel will never admit to any wrong doing an will forever fail to see themselves pulling the same tactics as their nazi oppressors did to them. Of course they havent shipped palestinians off to death camps by the millions but damn there is a huge humanitarian crisis over there. all in all we (humans) are the only beings on this planet that slaughter , destroy an jus all out treat each other like shit. Thats all im a say cause this argument is just gonna go on and on. salaam

except for the jews, they dont do that.

 

[Morris]

Israel will never admit to any wrong doing an will forever fail to see themselves pulling the same tactics as their nazi oppressors did to them. Of course they havent shipped palestinians off to death camps by the millions but damn there is a huge humanitarian crisis over there.

I love how you starkly contradict yourself in a span of 2 sentences.

 

[devils_advok8]

Land ownership doesn't count at all. If 2 Jews own 1 acre of land each while a Palestinian owns 10,000 acres, there is still a Jewish majority in that region.

Then in that case, if it all went well, Arab-Israelis are going to be the majority in a couple of decades and they can just declare the land theirs, cause they're the "majority".
It doesnt make sense to me.Dubai is 85% foreigners.Can those foreigners seek independance on a land that's not theirs?The Emiratis can kick em out and stop issuing visas.The majority can only do good in war, not in modern diplomatic means.

You used a weird analogy. But if the Columbians were eligible to vote, they'd have a huge reprsentative majority in that region/government anyway. If the League of Nations, the British and the Allied Powers stipulated that those Columbians would have a state of their own in the region, and you accepted it (like the Arabs did in 1917), then there wouldn't be much of a problem.

It was a weird analogy indeed, came from the the top of my head, but in my case, I can kick them out out of my property.God's lands are spacious.They can seek refuge elsewhere.
You fail to understand that Palestine was part of a region called the Levant.It was just this one country Syria, or Greater Syria.If it werent for the indepent Palestinian state, the Jews would've been a minority.Hell they were a minority in Palestine alone.I'll rephrase that, they were not the majority.

 

[Morris]

Then in that case, if it all went well, Arab-Israelis are going to be the majority in a couple of decades and they can just declare the land theirs, cause they're the "majority".

Arab-Israelis will be a majority of what was the Mandate in the 2020s. That's why Israel pulled out of Gaza: to avoid having an Arab majority. An Arab majority is also what the Palestinian Authority, at least under Arafat, stalled the peace deal so long for.

It doesnt make sense to me.Dubai is 85% foreigners.Can those foreigners seek independance on a land that's not theirs?

The sovereignty of the land those foreigners live on had already been determined. There was no sovereign nation in the Mandate with the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire in 1918.

I can kick them out out of my property.God's lands are spacious.They can seek refuge elsewhere.

I guess if you own the property and they were living on it, you can kick them out. Migrating Jews weren't moving onto anyone's property though.

You fail to understand that Palestine was part of a region called the Levant.It was just this one country Syria, or Greater Syria.

I know what the Levant was.

If it werent for the indepent Palestinian state, the Jews would've been a minority.Hell they were a minority in Palestine alone.I'll rephrase that, they were not the majority.

Yes, Jews were a minority in the Mandate of Palestine. But the Jews weren't given the Mandate of Palestine: they were given 13% of it in a contiguous region where they represented a 55% majority. The state of Palestine was also a contiguous region where Arabs were a 90+ % majority.

 

[Kareem]

I love how you starkly contradict yourself in a span of 2 sentences.

there is no contradiction buddy the nazi's didnt start out executing jews right away, 1st was removal an relocation to the ghetto then slave labor then death camps. I never once said they were exactly like the nazi i said they fail to see how they are like their nazi oppressors. Same bullshit different asshole thats all, only the Fuher is Sharon, the "fatherland" is Israel an the aryan race is Jewish. whatever though im not gonna get in some long drawn out argument, its pointless in your eyes the jews are blameless an wouldnt hurt a fly, in my mine i see the oppression an lack of compassion showed by Israel.

 

[Jokerman]

the Fuhrer is Sharon, the "fatherland" is Israel and the Aryan race is Jewish.

And Lebanon is Poland.

 

[Baukem]

there is no contradiction buddy the nazi's didnt start out executing jews right away, 1st was removal an relocation to the ghetto then slave labor then death camps. I never once said they were exactly like the nazi i said they fail to see how they are like their nazi oppressors. Same bullshit different asshole thats all, only the Fuher is Sharon, the "fatherland" is Israel an the aryan race is Jewish. whatever though im not gonna get in some long drawn out argument, its pointless in your eyes the jews are blameless an wouldnt hurt a fly, in my mine i see the oppression an lack of compassion showed by Israel.

*reports kareem to the police*

 

[Kareem]

*reports kareem to the police*

lol *runs an hides before Morris gets the gestapo after me*

 

[XIAN]

i see the oppression an lack of compassion showed by Israel.

True. But I am very happy with the pullout and I am somewhat proud of Sharon for the courage to do the right thing.

Peace.

 

[Jurhum]

Anyone who thinks the pullout was a good deed on behalf of Israel is obviously blind. Israel does nothing that it never benefits from.

Save Palistine.

 

[Morris]

there is no contradiction buddy the nazi's didnt start out executing jews right away, 1st was removal an relocation to the ghetto then slave labor then death camps. I never once said they were exactly like the nazi i said they fail to see how they are like their nazi oppressors.

Well I also fail to see how Israel has been anything like what you just described.

The Germans forcibly moved peaceful German Jewish citizens into concentration camps. At worst, Israel stopped Palestinians from returning to their lands after Palestinian militias attacked them in 1948. And obviously there are no slave camps or execution camps.