Five questions non-Muslims would like answered

[Rukas]

Oh and Rukas, I'm curious, what religion are you?

What does it matter? Will it make my opinion any less valid? Do you discriminate against religions? Are you racist?

 

[PuffnScruff]

serioulsy what does a persons religion matter?

 

[DrugBa11ad]

What does it matter? Will it make my opinion any less valid? Do you discriminate against religions? Are you racist?

Are you an idiot? How can you justify calling me a racist by simply asking you your religion? I was curious.

Obviously you have some sort of religious view you need to shelter in order to protect your arguements, since you seems quite fond of demoralizing the muslim religion.

But the point was not to discriminate, you overreacted completely. I was attempting to make a conncection between your arguement and your religious views and see if their was any correlation between the two. That was my goal. Stop being a drama queen.

serioulsy what does a persons religion matter?

Oh and PuffNScruff, first off, stop sucking up, you little brown noser. Secondly, a person's religious views may play rather importantly into thier arguements. No, it would not make thier arguement less VALID, but a correlation between the two would help me understand how the person thinks. That was my goal by asking the question.

Yall jump the gun a little to much.

 

[Rukas]

Are you an idiot? How can you justify calling me a racist by simply asking you your religion? I was curious.

Ermmm... When exactly did I call you a racist. I did no such thing, I ASKED if you were. Why did you get do defensive? Did it strike a nerve? Are you racist?

Obviously you have some sort of religious view you need to shelter in order to protect your arguements, since you seems quite fond of demoralizing the muslim religion.

How did I demoralize the muslim religion? I didnt even talk about all Muslim's.

Stop putting words in my mouth; you're only showing how unintelligent you are if you have to resort to such tactics.

But the point was not to discriminate, you overreacted completely.

I over reacted? No. I asked you a question, my religion shouldnt matter.

I was attempting to make a conncection between your arguement and your religious views and see if their was any correlation between the two. That was my goal. Stop being a drama queen.

What connection could their be? Of course, if Im not Muslim, you'll say Im anti Muslim. My religious views do not matter, because I didnt give any opinion based on religious views, I gave facts and posed factual questions, not religious opinion or propoganda.

Is they only way you can counter my questions by turning them around on my religion?

Oh and PuffNScruff, first off, stop sucking up, you little brown noser. Secondly, a person's religious views may play rather importantly into thier arguements. No, it would not make thier arguement less VALID, but a correlation between the two would help me understand how the person thinks. That was my goal by asking the question.

Yall jump the gun a little to much.

How is he sucking up? Shut up.

 

[PuffnScruff]

Are you an idiot? How can you justify calling me a racist by simply asking you your religion? I was curious.

Obviously you have some sort of religious view you need to shelter in order to protect your arguements, since you seems quite fond of demoralizing the muslim religion.

But the point was not to discriminate, you overreacted completely. I was attempting to make a conncection between your arguement and your religious views and see if their was any correlation between the two. That was my goal. Stop being a drama queen.



Oh and PuffNScruff, first off, stop sucking up, you little brown noser. Secondly, a person's religious views may play rather importantly into thier arguements. No, it would not make thier arguement less VALID, but a correlation between the two would help me understand how the person thinks. That was my goal by asking the question.

Yall jump the gun a little to much.

yeah, i'm a suck up actually i have never sucked up to rukas ever. period. not since he became the owner of this board or when he was an admin when it was hitemup.com owned by jon.

i did agree with rukas. but that does not make me a suck up.

oh yeah, rukas can ban you in a sec, i wouldnt call him an idiot:thumb:

 

[DrugBa11ad]

Ermmm... When exactly did I call you a racist. I did no such thing, I ASKED if you were. Why did you get do defensive? Did it strike a nerve? Are you racist?

I didn't actually mean to say that you called me a racist, I meant to ask how that justified asking if I was a racist, just forgot to change the wording. Thats my bad.

Stop putting words in my mouth; you're only showing how unintelligent you are if you have to resort to such tactics.\

What connection could their be? Of course, if Im not Muslim, you'll say Im anti Muslim. My religious views do not matter, because I didnt give any opinion based on religious views, I gave facts and posed factual questions, not religious opinion or propoganda.

Is they only way you can counter my questions by turning them around on my religion?

Haha, you can say I am putting words in your mouth, yet you turn around and accuse me of saying that I would say your anti-muslim because of your religion? What proof do you have of that. Obviously your just proving how unintelligent you are... haha whoo, how does that feel, were both hypocrites. Admit it.

How is he sucking up? Shut up.

yeah, i'm a suck up actually i have never sucked up to rukas ever. period. not since he became the owner of this board or when he was an admin when it was hitemup.com owned by jon.

i did agree with rukas. but that does not make me a suck up.

oh yeah, rukas can ban you in a sec, i wouldnt call him an idiot

Haha he has his nose so far up your ass Rukas. Your blind if you can't see it. You know because you can ban people that dudes are gonna jump on your dick. PuffNScruff is doing just that... "oh, he can ban you in a sec hehehe". He reminds me of a groupie, and thats why it made me angry. Oh and PuffNScruff, I didn't need a history lesson on this websites ownership, sorry, I also don't care what you say, I can smell the shit on your nose bro. Im sure you can too, your just too embarressed its all over your face.

And if you remember the question I asked you Rukas, I was CURIOUS. Meaning that I was simply curious as to what your religious views were so I could get more of an understanding of where you are coming from with your opinions. I think its pretty lame that you could somehow connect racism with asking what religion you are.

Oh, and I should have just read your signature. I didn't see that earlier. And to answer your question, no, I am not racist. Who would I be racist against?

 

[Rukas]

^^ Right, so anyone that agrees with me is kissing my ass right? So no matter what I say, if people agree, they are kissing my ass?

If I say the world is round, and people agree, they are kissing my ass right?

Grow up.


For the record, Im Christian, but dont really believe in the Church, I think its used to control people. Im currently researching the early church before it got corrupt and follow Jesus' teachings and examples, if anything, not the church.'

But keep shifting the focus and the blame and shoveling that bullshit, it does well to distract people from the real issues you seem so affraid to face.

 

[PuffnScruff]

what wrong with my sig?

you wanna see sucking up to rukas? ok,here it is

rukas i think drugba11ad is lowering the IQ of the board

 

[DrugBa11ad]

For the record, Im Christian, but dont really believe in the Church, I think its used to control people. Im currently researching the early church before it got corrupt and follow Jesus' teachings and examples, if anything, not the church.'

Thats good for you, I respect that.

And no, Foxmulder seems to agree with you, or you with him, but the difference is his posts have had relevance to the conversation that are lacking in PuffNScruffs posts.

Just like PuffNScruffs last post, and he claims that I am lowering the IQ of the board. The idiot didn't even recognize I meant your signature while referring to your religious quote.

 

[PuffnScruff]

it's not like you were directing your statement to anyone in your post. anyone could have thought you were talking about them. its is very easy to get confused on message boards. doesnt make me an idiot.

 

[DrugBa11ad]

it's not like you were directing your statement to anyone in your post. anyone could have thought you were talking about them. its is very easy to get confused on message boards. doesnt make me an idiot.

Your very right, but the rest of your posts did that quite well for yourself.

 

[Jokerman]

Id like to see examples of Muslims speaking out please, Im not saying they dont or you're lieing, Im just interested to see what Muslims are doing to stop Muslim terrorists.

For instance:
http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2004/5/prweb128526.htm

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week848/news.html

http://www.casperstartribune.net/ar...regional/4e35207983a7cc2a87256e96000842d8.txt

why is it that you dont see any Christian terrorists attacking Muslim nations? And I dont mean governments, because that is POLITICAL, I mean religious extremists.

Beause they don't have to. They have powerful Christian countries (governments) to do it for them. Muslims don't.

The fact that so many Muslim's are peace loving has no weight in this discussion. The author did not say that ALL Muslim's commit terrorist acts, therefore there is no point to state how many dont. The fact that many dont, does not excuse the fact that so many do.

His question is implying that there's something about the religion that turns people into terrorists. If that were so a majority would be commiting terrorist acts, not a fraction of a percent.

Why is it you're so quick to blame everyone else BUT Muslims?

I blame the individual Muslim terrorists, not Muslims. And I blame a foreign policy that has helped create the situation.

 

[devils_advok8]

(2) Why are none of the Palestinian terrorists Christian?

George Habash?

 

[Rukas]

For instance:
http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2004/5/prweb128526.htm

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week848/news.html

http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2004/05/16/news/regional/4e35207983a7cc2a87256e96000842d8.txt

Thanks will read over them tonight.

Beause they don't have to. They have powerful Christian countries (governments) to do it for them. Muslims don't.

So you're telling me there are extremist christians who sit there and say "well, Id love to blow up innocent Muslim's, but Bush does a good enough job so I dont have to."

I mean, sorry, but thats bullshit, extremists dont think like that.

His question is implying that there's something about the religion that turns people into terrorists. If that were so a majority would be commiting terrorist acts, not a fraction of a percent.

I didnt see that implied at all.

I blame the individual Muslim terrorists, not Muslims. And I blame a foreign policy that has helped create the situation.

How can you say you blame individual muslims, but not muslims? Are individual muslims not muslim? You can say you dont blame all of Islam, but these are Islamic terrorists, something about Islam motivates them, or gives them the idea that what they are doing is right. That something is what is being questioned, not Islam as a whole, just a part of it. Not the Muslim community as a whole, just a part of it.

 

[Jokerman]

So you're telling me there are extremist christians who sit there and say "well, Id love to blow up innocent Muslim's, but Bush does a good enough job so I dont have to.".

No, because since Bush does a good enough job (even though I wouldn't put it like that), not many Christians have the opportunity or need to become extremists and so they don't get to think that way. They are not living in miserable conditions where half their family has been killed. If they were, Bush wouldn't be doing a good enough job. So there never would be a situation where anyone would be an extremist and also think that way. Each rule each other out.

I didnt see that implied at all.

Then what's the point of the question? Why is anyone wondering why a fraction of Muslims are committing terrorist acts? And you not only imply it below, you state it flat out.

something about Islam motivates them, or gives them the idea that what they are doing is right.

So that is what him and those who think like him are driving at.

 

[Rukas]

No, because since Bush does a good enough job (even though I wouldn't put it like that), not many Christians have the opportunity or need to become extremists and so they don't get to think that way. They are not living in miserable conditions where half their family has been killed. If they were, Bush wouldn't be doing a good enough job. So there never would be a situation where anyone would be an extremist and also think that way. Each rule each other out.

Their miserable conditions are not the wests fault. Bali for example, or that country where they cut the girls heads off, what has that got to do with Bush or the US?

The ONLY country that Id say you were right in is Iraq, if those terrorists attack US soldiers, I can see why they would blame the US for their situation.

But like I said, Bali, their motives are not that anyone killed their family, or oppressed them, they have shitty conditions but their own Islamic government is to be held responsible, not the West. They didnt bomb Bali because their families were killed, they bombed the innocent tourists because they, in their eyes, are corrupt because they are non Muslim. They bombed night clubs where people drink and do other non Muslim things.

How do their terrorist actions have anything to do with the West oppression? There is no western oppression there!

Then what's the point of the question? Why is anyone wondering why a fraction of Muslims are committing terrorist acts? And you not only imply it below, you state it flat out.

So that is what him and those who think like him are driving at.

No one needs to imply anything, its obvious, terrorists think they are doing what Allah wants because they find justification for it in their faith, if they didnt there would be no Muslim terrorists. I dont even think that is up for debate.

 

[Jurhum]

Hey this is a thought provoking opinion piece published yesterday in the LA Times. I know some of it may come across as more bashing than critical analysis but I do believe the writer has some valid points.

November 13, 2005 latimes.com : Print Edition : Editorials, Op-Ed

You mean piece of shit.

Five questions non-Muslims would like answered
By Dennis Prager, Dennis Prager's nationally syndicated radio show is heard daily in Los Angeles on KRLA-AM (870). He may be contacted through his website: www.dennisprager.com.

THE RIOTING IN France by primarily Muslim youths and the hotel bombings in Jordan are the latest events to prompt sincere questions that law-abiding Muslims need to answer for Islam's sake, as well as for the sake of worried non-Muslims.

Yes, RIOTING. Capitalize that. These Muslims have no right to demonstrate. You know why? Because they are not humans. They have no feelings. They have no emotions whatsoever.

Here are five of them:
(1) Why are you so quiet?

Because there isn't much to say really. One, it's two entities, Al-Qaeda and the US are at war. It's not Islam and the US. Plus, what happenes in Palistine is a totally different issue. Just as Jewish terrorists kill Muslims, People of Muslim faith retaliate with the same thing.

(2) Why are none of the Palestinian terrorists Christian?

Perhaps they don't love Palistine as much as Muslims do.

(3) Why is only one of the 47 Muslim-majority countries a free country?

No country in the world is free.

(4) Why are so many atrocities committed and threatened by Muslims in the name of Islam?

Scapegoat.

(5) Why do countries governed by religious Muslims persecute other religions?

No church or synagogue is allowed in Saudi Arabia. The Taliban destroyed some of the greatest sculptures of the ancient world because they were Buddhist. Sudan's Islamic regime has murdered great numbers of Christians.

Instead of confronting these problems, too many of you deny them. Muslims call my radio show to tell me that even speaking of Muslim or Islamic terrorists is wrong. After all, they argue, Timothy McVeigh is never labeled a "Christian terrorist." As if McVeigh committed his terror as a churchgoing Christian and in the name of Christ, and as if there were Christian-based terror groups around the world.

As a member of the media for nearly 25 years, I have a long record of reaching out to Muslims. Muslim leaders have invited me to speak at major mosques. In addition, I have studied Arabic and Islam, have visited most Arab and many other Muslim countries and conducted interfaith dialogues with Muslims in the United Arab Emirates as well as in the U.S. Politically, I have supported creation of a Palestinian state and supported (mistakenly, I now believe) the Oslo accords.

Hundreds of millions of non-Muslims want honest answers to these questions, even if the only answer you offer is, "Yes, we have real problems in Islam." Such an acknowledgment is infinitely better — for you and for the world — than dismissing us as anti-Muslim.

We await your response.

SA has the right to prohibit or allow anything it wants on its land. Plus, how can he come here saying don't dismiss this as anti-Muslim when he labeled those who oppose Israel as anti-semite? Does anyone else see the hypocratical and racist side this man has?

 

[Illuminattile]

Thier Illuminattle, are you happy now?

That people are discussing the points? Of course I am.

 

[Khaled]

i didn't read all the posts, but i still think these questions are really silly.

(1) Why are you so quiet?

Since the first Israelis were targeted for death by Muslim terrorists blowing themselves up in the name of your religion and Palestinian nationalism, I have been praying to see Muslim demonstrations against these atrocities. Last week's protests in Jordan against the bombings, while welcome, were a rarity. What I have seen more often is mainstream Muslim spokesmen implicitly defending this terror on the grounds that Israel occupies Palestinian lands. We see torture and murder in the name of Allah, but we see no anti-torture and anti-murder demonstrations in the name of Allah.

There are a billion Muslims in the world. How is it possible that essentially none have demonstrated against evils perpetrated by Muslims in the name of Islam? This is true even of the millions of Muslims living in free Western societies. What are non-Muslims of goodwill supposed to conclude? When the Israeli government did not stop a Lebanese massacre of Palestinians in the Sabra and Chatilla refugee camps in Lebanon in 1982, great crowds of Israeli Jews gathered to protest their country's moral failing. Why has there been no comparable public demonstration by Palestinians or other Muslims to morally condemn Palestinian or other Muslim-committed terror?

when you tell me how i can look at someone who lost his familly in Sabra/Chatila, or lost his children at Quana, and tell him he should lay down his weapons and abandon his fight against israel, I'll be the first to protest against palestinian terrorism.

(2) Why are none of the Palestinian terrorists Christian?

there are lots of christian palestinian terrorists, but western governments do a great deal to portray terrorists as evil muslims. After all, it won't make sense for the western people if the terrorists are normal people just fighting for their rights.

(3) Why is only one of the 47 Muslim-majority countries a free country?

i know lebanon is a free country, not sure about malaysia
just because we dont have the same concept of freedom doesn't mean muslim countries aren't free.
a simple question: how free is really a us citizen??

(4) Why are so many atrocities committed and threatened by Muslims in the name of Islam?

so many atrocities are commited by the west in the name of democracy and freedom for the sole purpose of Money. Some Muslims commit them because nor the UN nore any other government stands up for them when they ask for their rights

(5) Why do countries governed by religious Muslims persecute other religions?

not all countries (doesn't seem obvious by the way the question is raised)
extremist christian leaders would have done the same, but the US never brought a christian extremist leader to powwer in these countries.

Hundreds of millions of non-Muslims want honest answers to these questions, even if the only answer you offer is, "Yes, we have real problems in Islam." Such an acknowledgment is infinitely better — for you and for the world — than dismissing us as anti-Muslim.

Islam is not the problem.
but when someone looses his home, money, familly and self respect, islam is the only thing he has left.

 

[Rukas]

^^ I suggest you do read the posts before you reply, and also realize that two wrongs do not make a right. Thats all Im going to say, I dont feel like going in circles, and Ive addressed what you've said because others have already said it. Read the whole thread before replying.