Fighting in CHURCH

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I Was waiting to talk with my pastor while he was taking a picture with his wife for his anniversery. some guy walks up to him drunk and high innterupting what was going on. my pastor tells him to leave the grounds but he doesnt and proceeds to curse my pastor out. the head usher guy and i ask him to leave and grab him to take him out side. as we are going out side he punches the head usher in the side of the head so i take off on him - i lit him up then got behind him and took him to the ground with a choke...he pasted out . we waited until the police came to turn him over and come to find out that the guy always shows up to church harrassing someone or feeling on young girls or what ever...but it didnt matter because when the cops came I had to give my information for roughing HIM up...suddenly around the church everyone is talking about it like I M CRAZY - when the pastors own son in laws didnt do anything about this crazy guy disrespecting the man of god or the church..they just watched as i dealt with it---so now i feel like a prostitute....like i felt as though i was doing the right thing since he was violent but now i feel dumb since he's now gone and im there with a reputation...
 
you felt like you did the right thing and in some ways you did but in their eyes you resorted to violence which makes you no better than that crazy guy. they probably thought there were other ways you could have handeld the situation. which there are.

lol, why do you feel like a prostitute?
 
Well most religions teach nonviolence do they not? Maybe the people at the church think you took things too far by reacting how you did. Or maybe they'll be grateful and think you saved the day. :confused:
 
PuffnScruff said:
listen to this guy^^^ he is a saint after all :)


lol exactly, u don need church to be on gods good side. But only i no the secrets to livin a fufilled life without church and gettin in to heaven and becoming gods right hand man

Saint Peter aint got shit on me
 
It seems to me you took too far. No wonder some people might look at you differently from now on. But who cares what other people think, you made a mistake in the ammount of force applied and it is over with.
 
well first im really cool with the pastor..we are close. so when dude starts cursing and yelling in the church sactuary (in front of his wife and kids no less) i felt he had to go...and was pissed...when we get out side and he starts to mouth off to me i get in his face about disrespecting the church and if he wants to fight, he shouldnt look for it with a 50 year old man..and told him to swing at me..which is shortly after he hit the usher guy...

secondly i feel like a straight prostitute because i have martial arts experience - stand up/ground etc and they know that..so when dude is going crazy (due to being drunk and high on coke) i felt like restraining him..the 'men' in church stood around watching then when the cops show up suddenly theres like 100 dudes standing around bragging how they helped hold him down and all that..but when asked how his nose got broken there was no one around...only now im looked at sideways - as if i could snap at any miniute

see if i' m able to throw them things in a club or bar why not for someone thats trying to lead you into a positive direction? right now it's still kind of wierd there becasue the bad girls now stare and the younger guys that i dont know are giving me daps and hugging me and all that because 'thats what they woulda done'..but i feel like a bitch because thats the one place yo uare supposed to be at peace..
 
dude im trying to turn my life around and not drink not sleep around and learn more about god considering it has been effective in my life..then this happens and now i have to look in the mirror like - dang did i really have to put it on him like that or did i really not change?
 
^There are many other churches were your money is appreciated... If God is helping you out then good for you, best of luck.

BTW Bill Maher said it best, "New Rule: If churches don't have to pay taxes, they also can't call the fire department when they catch fire. Sorry, Reverend, that's one of those services that goes along with paying in. I'll use the fire department I pay for; you can pray for rain. Oh, I'm going to get letters on that one."
 
I believe you were justified in your actions

The guy was being a biligerent dumbass and obviously wanted to start something...I certainly wouldnt blame myself if I were you. You weren't even "violent", you calmly tried to talk & reason with him and when that failed, he punched the usher, so then you took it upon yourself to make sure no 1 ELSE got hurt. and all you did was choke hold the guy, you didnt even give him his punch back :). Anyway, dont feel too bad about it, I woulda done the same, did I go to church
 
lol, we have that same problem at my church, so something which may seem a tad innapropriate, and you get a rep. :laugh:
 
PuffnScruff said:
did you fuck this guy up or just put him to the ground and kept him there till the cops showed up
I believe he said he broke his nose.

He was right to take action, but seeing he knew martial arts, it would have been better if he had, say, twisted the guy's arm behind his back and restrained him.
 
i beat this guy up pretty quickly. he apparantly had a broken nose but was still standing, so i kicked his ribs so he'd double over then i went behind for a choke and held him there till the cops came..

he was drunk man--i could smell it all over him and the way he was still going after being hurt i knew he was higher than normal...he had a restraining order put on him previously which put him in jail when the cops came...
 

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