Explosions on the London Underground

[k69atie]

^ i know its sad, was just reading up about all other terrorist attacks in the uk alone over the past few years, here is just a few

DAYS OF HORROR

The bombings in London reminded thousands of Britons of past terrorist attacks.

Thursday's rush-hour attacks left more people dead than any other single atack in the UK since the Lockerbie bombing nearly 17 years ago.


Until the attacks on the transport system, the biggest massacre in the city was more than 20 years ago when 11 soldiers died in bomb attacks in London parks.

Here are some of the major atrocities Britain has endured:

:: Pan Am flight 103, from Heathrow to New York, blew up over Lockerbie in 1988. Some 259 passengers and 11 residents of the village died.

:: Omagh bombing was the biggest death toll caused by the IRA. Some 29 people died, including a woman pregnant with twins.

:: IRA pub bombings in Birmingham in 1974 left 21 people dead and 182 maimed.

:: Remembrance Day massacre in Enniskillen, 1987, left 11 civilians dead and 63 injured.

:: IRA bomb at Royal Marines School Of Music in Deal, Kent, killed 11 and injured 21 in 1989.

:: Eleven soldiers and seven horses killed in two bombs in Hyde Park and Regent's Park, central London in 1982.

:: In 1982, six people died and 91 injured in a car bomb attack outside Harrods in Knightsbridge, central London.

:: Tory party conference in Brighton, 1984, left five dead.

:: IRA bomb at London Hilton killed five and injured more than 100 in 1975.

:: In 1999, two people were killed and 73 injured in a bomb attack on Soho's gay community in the Admiral Duncan pub.

:: Launching IRA's onslaught in 1973, bombs exploded outside the Old Bailey and Whitehall killing one person and injuring 244.

:: More than 200 shoppers were injured when an IRA bomb went off near the Arndale Shopping Centre in Manchester.

:: In 1988 terrorists blew Pan Am Flight 103 out of the air over Lockerbie in Scotland, killing 270 people, 44 of them British.

 

[Cown]

Man, they could have bombed Copenhangen when the motherfucka (Bush) was on a visit a couple of days ago... damn!

 

[2Pax]

Why all the arguing? There have been many deaths and casualties, show some respect. Are we not all on the same side? Do we not all want terrorism to stop? Whether you supported the Invasion of Iraq or not, whether you are for the war on terrorism or not, the bottom line is we are all involved and we all want the same goal. It doesn't matter if we agree with the reasons behind the start of the war or not, it's gone far past that point. Even the stubborn hot-headed politicians in the house of commons have stopped arguing about the creation of the war, there will be time for that later but for now we have to fight terrorism. I mean how would you feel if your grandmother was coming home from the shops on a bus and was blew up by a suicide bomber, would of all non-supporters of the war on terrorism support the war then?

 

[not really ken]

The label "radical" applied to the terrorists is inaccurate. Reading the Quran, it's clear that their reading of it is the correct one. The so-called "moderates" are the ones who are picking and choosing the parts they like, and leaving the rest. I'd call them the real "radicals."

A better set of labels would be to call the terrorists/jiadists "traditional" Muslims, and the so-called moderates "reformed" Muslims. Most Muslims are, thankfully, reformed Muslims.

with all due respect, that is the biggest crock of shit ever!!!!

 

[Dave D]

Stay on topic or this will be closed.

 

[schwarzee]

i ain't a hater but i see em frightened..coz wot they wanted they get..
maybe it's B-laden or hussein's cusinz..watever they 'll nothin but real killers...fuck tony balir..

 

[not really ken]

Why all the arguing? There have been many deaths and casualties, show some respect. Are we not all on the same side? Do we not all want terrorism to stop? Whether you supported the Invasion of Iraq or not, whether you are for the war on terrorism or not, the bottom line is we are all involved and we all want the same goal. It doesn't matter if we agree with the reasons behind the start of the war or not, it's gone far past that point. Even the stubborn hot-headed politicians in the house of commons have stopped arguing about the creation of the war, there will be time for that later but for now we have to fight terrorism. I mean how would you feel if your grandmother was coming home from the shops on a bus and was blew up by a suicide bomber, would of all non-supporters of the war on terrorism support the war then?

it's kind of hard to ignore one of the root causes of this terrorism.

BTWm the politicians have been talking a load of horse shit, trying to get the moral high ground and spinning off more lies. Jack Straw made my blood boil with the bullshit he was spouting. He kept saying "the world is a more dangerous place since 2000" to any question he got stuck on cos he couldn't speak the truth without causing an outcry.

 

[k69atie]

AT LEAST FIFTY ARE DEAD

London's police chief has revealed more than 50 people were killed in the terror attacks which brought chaos to the capital yesterday.


Sir Ian Blair confirmed 700 were injured in the blasts on three Tube trains and a bus during the morning rush hour.

He vowed to catch the killers, saying his force had an "implacable" resolve to track them down.

Sir Ian was speaking as life returned to normal in the city - although tens of thousands of commuters stayed at home.

Normally packed rush-hour trains were half-empty and stations were deserted this morning.

Those who showed for work had a defiant message for the bombers.

William Austin, from Royston in Hertfordshire, said: "The City will be up and running again today. These people won't have any effect."

Home Secretary Charles Clarke told Sky News no intelligence had been missed and the attacks "came out of the blue".


A group calling themselves the European al Qaeda have said they were behind the atrocity - the worst in peacetime London.

Police have revealed the devices used by the terrorists contained less than 10lbs of high explosives and could have been easily concealed in a bag.

British Transport Police say it is unlikely mobile phones were used to trigger the Tube bombs as the trains were too far underground.

The Queen and Prince Charles will visit some of the injured in hospital this afternoon.

Scotland Yard has urged the public to remain vigilant and report any unattended items or suspicious activity to police.

This morning all of the capital's mainline stations were open and buses were running normally. Most of the Tube was also in service.

The four crime scenes are still cordoned off as the search for clues continues.

 

[k69atie]

Latest News

LONDON BOMBINGS LATEST

The Metropolitan Police police have revealed the latest developments in their investigation following the London bombings.

Here are the main points from what Met Commissioner Sir Ian Blair and his colleagues have been saying on the day after the deadly attacks on the transport network:


:: More than 50 fatalities.

:: Still bodies on tube train between Russell Square and King's Cross.

:: Twenty-two people in a critical condition in hospital. Three hundred and fifty people treated in hospital, 100 detained. One person died in hospital. Seven hundred casualties in all.

:: Said police had "implacable resolve" to track down terrorists. Said police "will bend every sinew" to find bombers.

:: Definitely only four sites of blasts. Absolutely nothing to suggest it was a suicide bombing attack although nothing can be ruled out.

:: Forensic investigation suggests each bomb had less than 10 pounds of high explosive.

:: Each device on tube trains was likely to be on the floor of the carriage. Bus bomb may have been on floor or on seat.

:: Investigation will depend on forensic evidence from "very challenging" scenes.

:: Police have not yet got near carriage where bomb was on Russell Square/King's Cross train.

:: Public need patience as investigation cannot be rushed.

:: Asked people to ring Terrorist Hotline on 0800 789 321.

:: There might still be an al Qaeda cell in operation in UK.

:: Don't know whether claim on al Qaeda website is real.

:: Bombs would have been in rucksack-sized bags or carriers.

:: Nothing to suggest any intelligence has been missed.

:: Work being done to identify bodies.

:: Mobile phone network was not suspended in London to prevent further blasts, but it was considered.

Another press conference is due to take place at 3pm.

 

[Flipmo]

They just hightened the security on the subways systems here and general public transportation. lol, I can't help but laugh cause I doubt if it was 'Al Quida' they'd attack the city with the biggest Arab immigrant population in Canada, also, Paul Martin just stated that we have never received any warnings of any kind. Anyways, I hope the people of London pull themselves together after this.

Peace

 

[k69atie]

^ they seem to be doing really well, everyone coped so well yesterday (according to news reports). i just hope they find all the bodies soon

 

[DJ Harris]

it was more down to the peeps in the emergency services who did awesome that put ppls minds to rest so to speak.

 

[Silleone]

Rest In Peace to all that died yesterday and i hope that all that were injured get better.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Just watching one of those press conferences with the top cop & Ken Livingstone & it struck me how differently UK officials work to their Stateside counterparts.

I mean, the top cop was playing it down a bit saying that London can cope & there is proof of this from the IRA campaigns & Livingstone was talking about how terrorism was rife in Victorian times........the US officials tend to bang on about jealousy & shit although, granted, Livingstone did declare these incidents as attacks on Londoners' freedom.

 

[Outla Spirit]

my last message bout this... you kno, obviously its bad n i feel for the people who lost there lives n der family......

but you see, thats all the terrorists done are kill some people, slaughter some innocent people... they havent acheived shit but that, i mean... everyone in London gettin on with shit right now, people usin trains again... they havent broke London and they wont, all its gon do is make it stronger...

and im out, fuck the terrorists... ain gona break us :thumb:

 

[Pittsey]

I'd just like to say that if people want to argue about whether the attacks were a fair retaliation for the war on iraq then start a thread in WOW. This thread is getting insulting, pages 20-22 are a good example of that. So can we please be civil to each other and please have respect for the dead and their loved one's. You may have some well thought out and what you believe to be fair opinions. But keep them out of this thread, otherwise it'll get closed.

 

[k69atie]

it was more down to the peeps in the emergency services who did awesome that put ppls minds to rest so to speak.

i know yeah, they did great! i couldn't do that job so i have a lot of resepct for them, i hate people slagging them off (my dad is a fireman)

 

[critikaldesignz]

Its not like the US doesn't kill innocent citizens in Afghanistan and Iraq. Over 5000 Iraqi citizens have already died. And did yall know that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11? Bush is stupid.

 

[H.E. Pennypacker]

I never said anyone deserved to die. I said it was fair for someone who supported the war to die, because they realized the consequences would include someone attacking them. As I said before, it is not fair to kill someone who was against the war. This has nothing to do with voting or not voting for Blair, or who took the country to war.

So why should someone like myself be punished?

Read what I said. Killing you would not be fair, but killing someone that supported the war would be fair. I don't know about the people that died yesterday, so I won't say anything.

Pennypacker, if the war hadn't gone ahead because of all the opposition to it, and an Iraqi whose parents had been tortured and killed by Hussein bombed your house, killing you and your family, would you say you deserved that?

I am not going to answer a hypothetical question. If I were to do that, there would be another one, and one after that. It would not end. This has nothing to do with Saddam Hussein. It is about Iraq, England, and the war.

I believe people should be responsible for their actions and beliefs. That's all.

What pisses me off is that the bastards who did this probably live off the state , have a council house and live in London themselves

Well, in order to attack someone or something, you have to be pretty close, right? Therefore, it makes sense to be living there.

-That realy is a pathetic point . Read it yourself Mr pennypacker .

Instead of saying its a pathetic point, why not reply to it?

- The innocent people on public transport deserve to die ????

That's not what I said. Maybe you have a problem reading.

- Sorry but do you not think Mr Hussains regime had a little to do with it ???

Why the coalition went to war is for another thread. Please don't bring up Saddam Hussein.

Maybe its a shame someone close to you hasnt died in something like this - 9/11 ring any bells , maybe you would feel different huh ??

If my family members died, I'd be very upset, because I know none of them support the war. However, if one of them did support the war, I'd say "I love you, but you asked for it."

you realy seem to be an imature Anti - establishment

It would be better phrased as "anti-corrupt establishment." I am all for governments, just not corrupt ones. I am not going to blame the actions of the govt. on the people.

your very lucky to be living in a great country with freedom to all where you do not get tourtured or murdered for your religion or because you said the wrong thing or spoke your mind .

That's not why I live in the USA, but okay. If someone voiced their unpopular opinions out on the street, trust me, they'd die. The govt. won't kill them, but angry people will. So, is there really that much of a difference...if an angry govt. kills people or angry mob of people?

 

[critikaldesignz]

More than 50 dead in London blasts
Police taking claim seriously, say more attacks possible

Friday, July 8, 2005; Posted: 11:31 a.m. EDT (15:31 GMT)



LONDON, England (CNN) -- More than 50 people were killed in a series of terrorist bombings on London's transport system, police said Friday as they warned that additional attacks were possible.

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Ian Blair said police were having "great difficulty" determining the number of deaths because of the damage at some of the blast sites.

One train "still contains a number of bodies that have not been retrieved," Blair told reporters.

Police expect the death toll from Thursday's bombings to rise, but not above 100, Blair said.

Thirteen people were killed when a bomb exploded on a double-decker bus in central London, Blair said, adding that all the bodies from that explosion have been recovered.

Blasts at four sites -- the bus and three subway trains -- also injured 700 people, and a massive manhunt was under way for those responsible for London's bloodiest day since World War II.

Blair said more than one person carried out the attacks, which had "all the hallmarks of al Qaeda," although he said there was "absolutely nothing to suggest" they were suicide bombings.

Nothing could be ruled out, however, he said. (Police update)

Blair pledged authorities would "bend every sinew" to find and prosecute those responsible for the attacks.

"It is the implacable resolve of the Met Police Service to track down those who are responsible for these terrible deaths," said Blair.

The train bombs were likely placed on the floors of carriages, Deputy Police Commissioner Andy Hayman said. Police are not sure if the bus bomb was placed on the floor or a seat.

"Initially, the forensic investigation suggests that each device used had less than 10 pounds (4.5 kg) of high explosives," Hayman said.

Half of the 700 wounded were treated on the scene and the rest were taken to hospitals, Blair said. One person died after reaching hospital. Blair said 100 people remained in hospitals overnight, and 22 had serious injuries.

Hayman appealed for patience as the investigation proceeds, saying, "Our people are working under the most extreme circumstances."

Near the Russell Square Underground station, the scene of the second blast, police still haven't gotten near the carriage because of fears about the stability of the tunnel, "vermin and other dangerous substances," Hayman said.

Police have confirmed that 21 people died in that blast.

Blair said there were no victims still alive in the Underground system.

Earlier Friday, Britain's top law enforcement official said police were searching for the bombers before they had a chance to strike again. (Search for clues)

"We have to have ... maximum consideration of the risk of another attack, and that's why our total effort today is focused on identifying the perpetrators and bringing them to justice," Home Secretary Charles Clarke told BBC radio.

"That is of course the No. 1 preoccupation that the police and security services have at this moment," he said.

"The fact is, we're looking for a very small number of very evil needles in a very large haystack, which is the city of London," Clarke said.

He said the government was taking seriously a claim of responsibility on the Internet from a group calling itself "The Group of al Qaeda of Jihad Organization in Europe." The authenticity of the claim could not be verified. (Group's claim; Analysis)

Clarke also said police were looking "very closely" at the possibility that one or more suicide bombers were involved.

A passenger who survived the bus blast said he saw an "extremely agitated" man rummaging in a bag just seconds before the explosion, the UK's Press Association reported.

The bus blast occurred about 30 minutes after the last train explosion.

Investigators found fragments of timing devices that may have been used in the three train blasts, but no such fragments have been found in the bus explosion, U.S. law enforcement sources told CNN.

"The cause of the bus explosion right now is problematic. We don't know yet what we're dealing with as the cause there," one law enforcement official told CNN.

However, police commissioner Blair said investigators have found no evidence of timing devices "because we haven't reached that point in the investigation."

Blair said there were no warnings ahead of the blasts, and he defended a decision to relax Britain's alert level in recent months.

"There is nothing to suggest that intelligence has been missed in any way," he said.

Brian Paddick, deputy assistant police commissioner, said investigators' first priority is to examine forensic evidence and video footage from the transport system's extensive surveillance system. (CCTV clues)