Non-Urban Music Everytime (Spears) > Imagine (Lennon)

[H.E. Pennypacker]

I know I'll get hate from all the Beatles groupies, but here it is:

Everytime by Britney Spears is better than Imagine by John Lennon.

I just want to let people know that the Beatles are not super-human or something. I am tired of the Beatles being portrayed as these larger-than-life characters that have the greatest songs of all time. They may have some great songs, but stop going crazy every time someone thinks otherwise.

So, yeah...post up songs by "inferior" people (people that aren't/weren't as popular as the Beatles) that are better than Beatles songs.

 

[fannr1]

wtf

 

[Cooper]

everytime is a quality track.

 

[Illuminattile]

Better than Imagine? Hell not. Better than everything else Lennon did as a solo artist? Possibly.

John Lennon, one-hit wonder...

 

[Salar]

i love everytime.

But to be honest, i used to think like you. I used to think beatles were highly overrated. Then i listened to a shit load of their songs... then some more. They were just amazing. But everyone has their opinion

 

[Little Skittle]

everytime is a great song, but imagine is one of the best songs ever made

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

I'm far from a Beatles groupie but Imagine is one of the greatest songs ever - Everytime is not.

Seeing as you do have a lot of opinions my man, help me understand where you are coming from with this Everytime>>Imagine angle.

 

[Amara]

I know I'll get hate from all the Beatles groupies, but here it is:

Everytime by Britney Spears is better than Imagine by John Lennon.

I couldnt disagree more. Imagine is a song that reaches deep into society to reflect artificial boundaries that are the cause of so much hostility and tension in this world. Everytime is just another fluffy love song sung by a little girly who is so far removed from political reality, I doubt she would ever be able to begin to understand the depth and scope of a song like Imagine. To compare the two is nonsensical. I am not a Beatles enthusiast by any means, but Imagine is an incredible song, one which will last throughout time, it isnt a mere pop song forgotten tomorrow - it is quality.

 

[~live2tell~]

I love both songs, but I don't think you can compare them - they are 2 both totally different artists representing different eras of music so to compare and say one is better than the other wouldn't be fair, you could only really decide upon personal preference.

 

[H.E. Pennypacker]

I'm far from a Beatles groupie but Imagine is one of the greatest songs ever - Everytime is not.

Seeing as you do have a lot of opinions my man, help me understand where you are coming from with this Everytime>>Imagine angle.

Good try at trying to convince yourself that you're not a Beatles groupie.

The great thing about Imagine, one may argue, is that it contains a message. Yeah, its great, and interesting, but if you're going to say that Imagine is better than Everytime based on this message, than you shouldn't look at Imagine as a song. In that case, you should look at it strictly for its content, and then compare it to works by social scholars.

When it comes to the songs, Everytime is better simply because of how well it was done. The highs and lows, the chorus, the length, and there's more to enjoy listening to with Everytime.

Imagine's best part is the chorus and quite frankly, the song is much too short.

I couldnt disagree more. Imagine is a song that reaches deep into society to reflect artificial boundaries that are the cause of so much hostility and tension in this world. Everytime is just another fluffy love song sung by a little girly who is so far removed from political reality, I doubt she would ever be able to begin to understand the depth and scope of a song like Imagine.

If you're going to say that Imagine is one of the best songs ever, tell me why it is so without look at it from a scholarly perspective. In other words, look at it as a song instead of something like "it meant something to society and will always."

To compare the two is nonsensical.

Based on what you said, it is nonsensical to compare them, but one song being better than the other is not based on how they reflect on society. I am sure I could pull out a great book by a revolutionary and say it was better than Imagine.

Grade Imagine based on what you heard and not learned.

 

[Zero Cool]

True Faith by New Order > Both of 'em

 

[AnarchistFunk]

lol

funny thread

comparing apples to oranges

imagine is a great song, and to insult john lennon's body of work and message is funny

the rest of the beatles are goofballs, but lennon was on the same level as bob marley

 

[xxx]

the beatles influence alone makes them larger than life.

 

[Amara]

If you're going to say that Imagine is one of the best songs ever, tell me why it is so without look at it from a scholarly perspective. In other words, look at it as a song instead of something like "it meant something to society and will always."

Based on what you said, it is nonsensical to compare them, but one song being better than the other is not based on how they reflect on society. I am sure I could pull out a great book by a revolutionary and say it was better than Imagine.

Grade Imagine based on what you heard and not learned.

LOL. Music is neither simply presentation or message - it is a combination of both. I say I prefer Imagine because it provides a complex and interesting re-evaluation of society, it is more than an arrangement of nice notes. Did britney even write her song?? Imagine was written decades ago, yet generation after generation has appreciated and enjoyed it... something tells me Everytime will never ever recieve that status and ovation. Which is why it is not worthy of being classed on the same level. Music is a reflection of society, that is what makes it great, that is why people like it. I can relate to it because my understanding of society goes deeper than the obvious, or external. In terms of superficiality, yes perhaps you could say Everytime is better, but that is not how I measure things.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Good try at trying to convince yourself that you're not a Beatles groupie.

My man, don't be a dick.

The great thing about Imagine, one may argue, is that it contains a message. Yeah, its great, and interesting, but if you're going to say that Imagine is better than Everytime based on this message, than you shouldn't look at Imagine as a song. In that case, you should look at it strictly for its content, and then compare it to works by social scholars.

When it comes to the songs, Everytime is better simply because of how well it was done. The highs and lows, the chorus, the length, and there's more to enjoy listening to with Everytime.

Imagine's best part is the chorus and quite frankly, the song is much too short.

Read Amara's post. Take particular note of where she states that message & presentation are both important - that's the lyric, & the music.

And, out of interest, in the thread title you credit Britney Spears with Everytime but did she write the lyrics or the music?

 

[H.E. Pennypacker]

the beatles influence alone makes them larger than life.

How much of an influence a person has is determined by the people. So, the Beatles really weren't that special. It was the people that decided to exaggerate how important they were much like the people that consider bottled water to be superior to tap water.

the rest of the beatles are goofballs, but lennon was on the same level as bob marley

Are you saying that because he was the only one who was assassinated? It seems to me that people are die from assassinations are considered more important than people that die from normal causes.

Music is neither simply presentation or message - it is a combination of both.

This thread calls for presentation and message to be seperated when looking at Everytime and Imagine. I still don't see one person saying Imagine is better on presentation alone. Everyone has said its better based on message, the Beatles' influence, and how great of a person Lennon was.

Did britney even write her song?

I don't know, but my ears don't care.

yet generation after generation has appreciated and enjoyed it... something tells me Everytime will never ever recieve that status and ovation.

Could it be because one was done by a Beatles member and one was done by an average pop singer? lol...You could finding a piece of gum on the street, claim that it belongs to a Beatles member, and sell it for $100, 000.

Music is a reflection of society, that is what makes it great, that is why people like it.

50 Cent was the best selling artist of 2003. Now, consider that his album had nothing to do with peace, social awareness, or anything worthy of discussing in school. Though its not worthy of discussion, the majority of society has chosen to buy that album. Does that mean his album reflects what the USA/world was going through in 2003? lol

I am bringing this up because you said music is a reflection of society. That means 50's music reflects on society because society made it the best selling album of that year (and probably his new album will become the best selling of this year - 2005).

I can relate to it because my understanding of society goes deeper than the obvious, or external

That's probably why you're a political science student.

And, out of interest, in the thread title you credit Britney Spears with Everytime but did she write the lyrics or the music?

People can't wait for the Detox album eventhough its very likely that Dre didn't write his own lyrics. You could say its one of the most awaited albums in Hip Hop history. My point: how important is it really that an artist write his own lyrics?

 

[Rukas]

You cant be serious?

 

[Rukas]

Better than Imagine? Hell not. Better than everything else Lennon did as a solo artist? Possibly.

John Lennon, one-hit wonder...

Imagine isnt even Lennon's best song.

 

[Swollen_Member]

Everytime is a good song no doubt, but Imagine is too. Although I can see where your coming from H.E.P because Everytime is a well made song, which sounds great. Your right to think Everytime is better. Whoever wrote evertime is maybe a better songwritter than Lennon ever was...but Everytime is a song made by the same formula that the Beatles were using 30 yrs ago. Imagine > Evertime.

 

[Salar]

oooh, HE Pennypacker is running a riot in here, i like it. And amara is all heated up...hehe, i like it alot. And Ruk is in here, i'm confused, since when do you come in Don't Stop The Music Ruk?

Anyway, in your argument of 50cent representing 2003's society and blah blah, you have to understand that it is sort of reflective of todays society if you look at it. An average rapper with average skills talking about the same shit and we're still stupid enough to buy an album. I think music in general has died simply because of marketing and record industries destroying music for the money. But this is a totally different arguemtn.

What are the elements of music. What are the prime things that music must have to make it a good piece of music?
The lyrics
the flow of lyrics
the deeper meaning
the chorus
the melody
the voice
the tones of voice

But also there are underlying causes of what makes good music that i think we don't look at consciencly. For example, you'll hear a song on radio and you don't know who the artist is, you enjoy it alot. Then somebody tells you who the artist is, and you suddenly dislike the song. Or vice versa, you hear a song, and you hate it, but once you realise it's your favourite artist, you'll make yourself enjoy it to some extent.
This makes the history of the song relevant.

I respect your opinion, and it's exactly that. But the arguments are simply this.
If you look at the essential elements of good music overall i feel that John Lennon has the upper hand.
If my knowledge in music serves me well, Imagine was released in 1971. 34 years later the song is still loved by so many people, and so many remixes have been done of the song and it is still relevant. The music itself is still used in music today, because it's so basic and simple, nothing complicated (introduction to oasis - don't look back in anger is one example, and there are many other songs). And though it's recent, do you think that everytime will have the same effect on MUSIC as lennon's imagine did?

I honestly don't think you can compare the two. It's like comparing Led Zeppelin and the Beatles or Nirvana with Oasis or 2pac and Willsmith.