destruction of our planet & religion

[kman_69]

in regards to the condition of our biosphere...

very good movie...i saw it recently.

altho...i dont necessarily agree...or like that statement....it scares me that it might be true. :/

 

[kman_69]

Do you know how repentence works and what it is? Its not just God forgive me and your forgiven.

yes, i went to a catholic school....and studied the bible for over 5 years.

And religion plays what in how we spend money with asteroids? .

This is why:

in a million years every person dead or alive will be in heaven or hell for all eternity:thumb:, there will be no more earth. i'd say in between 1000-2000 years we will all be in heaven or hell, i am just about 100% sure.

This is beyond me.

clearly.

Wars - nearly every war in the world happening at the moment is about religion -or has religous undertones.

Overpopulation - several religions are directly responsible for this as they dont allow contraception...or abortions.

Environment - getting back to topic....religion is the key reason for the destruction and neglect of our environment, again, heres why:

in a million years every person dead or alive will be in heaven or hell for all eternity:thumb:, there will be no more earth. i'd say in between 1000-2000 years we will all be in heaven or hell, i am just about 100% sure.

 

[Glockmatic]

Overpopulation - several religions are directly responsible for this as they dont allow contraception...or abortions.

the reason for overpopulation is that we're just living way too long. A few thousand years ago our maximum age was like 30, now we're in our 80s-90s and slowing going up to 100s. Religion has nothing to do with it.

 

[kman_69]

^^thats a small factor yes, but religion has everything to do with the blocking of crontraception and abortions....which in turn are major factors in relation to overpopulation.

 

[TecK NeeX]

Wars - nearly every war in the world happening at the moment is about religion -or has religous undertones

which of these world empires ever fought against, or conquered another nation, due to religious beliefs?

Egypt - not over religion
Assyria - not over religion
Babylon - not over religion
Persia - not over religion
Greece - not over religion
Rome - not over religion

What about the leaders of the most violent groups? How many of them fought wars to further their own religion?

Egyptian Pharoahs - did not fight over religion
Alexander the Great - did not fight over religion
Roman Caesars - did not fight over religion
Attila the Hun - did not fight over religion
Genghis Khan - did not fight over religion
Napoleon - did not fight over religion
Hitler - did not fight over religion
Mao - did not fight over religion
Stalin - did not fight over religion (in fact, he fought for non-religion)
Saddam Hussein - did not fight over religion (in fact he killed others of his own religion)

Since 1776, America has fought ten major conflicts, and none of these centered on religion. In fact, prior to the Cold War against Communism (which was political and economic, not religious), all of America's wars were against dominant christian nations

20th Century Wars

World War I - not over religion
World War II- not over religion
The Cold War - not over religion
The Korean War - not over religion
The Vietnam War - not over religion
The Gulf War - not over religion
2003 Iraq War - not over religion

the Arab-Israeli conflict may have some religious elements but the main reasons behind the 3 or so wars between these 2 groups was mostly about land, its not about whether the land will be Jewish or Muslim but about whether it will be Israeli or Palestinian. and the fact that before Israels independence some 50 years ago, Jews and Muslims lived side by side in peace for over a thousand years

the only wars i could think of that could be labled as religious wars was the crusades. however, the Crusaders massacred not only Muslims and Jews but many christians as well, this fact alone shows that their agenda was not to kill all 'non-christians' but anyone who lived in that region. still all 3 Crusades put together pale in comparison with the death toll of any one of the above mentioned non-religious wars.

Lets remember that over 80% of the worlds population belong to a 'Religion' so when ever a war does occur a religious undertone is bound to surface. But its not like these wars would have been prevented if these people did nto have religious beliefs

the universe has not beginning or end

The Universe did have a Beginning, just read Edwin Hubbles findings

 

[MX Red]

I agree with the above^^^

Very few wars are fought over religion, if anything leaders use religion to mobalise the support of the people. Wars have always been fought over money.
peace
MX!

 

[not really ken]

I agree with the above^^^

Very few wars are fought over religion, if anything leaders use religion to mobalise the support of the people. Wars have always been fought over money.
peace
MX!

:thumb:
and what teckneekz said :thumb:

 

[Bina]

^^thats a small factor yes, but religion has everything to do with the blocking of crontraception and abortions....which in turn are major factors in relation to overpopulation.

I agree with what Teck Neex said earlier about the wars not based on religion.

If ur theory that religion has caused overpopulation because it prevents the use of contraception, i dont see how this works. Hundreds of years ago, there was no such thing as condoms or the pill, nor could people carry out abortions- u telling me hundreds of years ago, the world was still overpopulated??? Death rates was higher because of diseases. If anything, it is the medical healthcare and treatment that has caused overpopulation, as it means people are more likely to live longer lives. (by the way, not saying healthcare is a bad thing,just trying to make a point!)

 

[kman_69]

^^as i said, yes its a FACTOR...not a cause...


but really, this was a side note to the thread topic anyway....


i hope everyone can see that from what 2PacThug4Life had to say....that my point about the neglect of the planet being directly related to religion is a valid one.

 

[makaveli_411]

Props to Teck NeeX for explaining and bringing out the facts.

Peace

 

[Illuminattile]

the reason for overpopulation is that we're just living way too long. A few thousand years ago our maximum age was like 30, now we're in our 80s-90s and slowing going up to 100s. Religion has nothing to do with it.

Low birth rates do contribute to the problem of an ageing population, and raising birth rates is something which needs to be done to counteract it (since we can't cull our excess old people).

 

[kman_69]

The Universe did have a Beginning, just read Edwin Hubbles findings

no, the universe did NOT have a beginning...it comes to a point where it the universe is most polar from an end...but its not a point of singularity....it cant have a point of singularity from a 4th dimensional perspective.

Hubbles findings were based on 3rd dimensional view -as in, he would have viewed the universe as a straight line....instead of curved.


and in reference to the whole religous wars thing (even though it is a bit off topic)

here is a list of CURRENT wars that are being faught in the name of relgion TODAY:

Afghanistan Extreme, radical Fundamentalist Muslim terrorist groups & non-Muslims
Bosnia Serbian Orthodox Christians, Roman Catholic), Muslims
Côte d'Ivoire Muslims, Indigenous, Christian
Cyprus Christians & Muslims
East Timor Christians & Muslims
India Animists, Hindus, Muslims & Sikhs
Indonesia, province of Ambon Christians & Muslims
Indonesia, province of Halmahera Christians & Muslims
Kashmir Hindus & Muslims
Kosovo Serbian Orthodox Christians & Muslims
Kurdistan Christians, Muslims
Macedonia Macedonian Orthodox Christians & Muslims
Middle East Jews, Muslims, & Christians
Nigeria Christians, Animists, & Muslims
Northern Ireland Protestants, Catholics
Pakistan Suni & Shi'ite Muslims
Philippines Christians & Muslims
Russia,
Chechnya Russian Orthodox Christians, Muslims
South Africa Animists & "Witches"
Sri Lanka Buddhists & Hindus
Sudan Animists, Christians & Muslims
Tibet Buddhists & Communists
Uganda Animists, Christians, & Muslims



and just reading over the list you made....many of them had religous undertones...take WW2 for example...i mean did u forget that Hitler killed 6million people in the name of RELIGION?

 

[S O F I]

Bosnia Serbian Orthodox Christians, Roman Catholic), Muslims

The war ended almost 10 years ago, actually. Not really current. Besides that, it wasn't about religion. Religious groups were in conflict, but it was much deeper than that.

Now, for the sake of this thread, I fail to see why we should preserve this planet and not destroy the environment and such.

 

[TecK NeeX]

Afghanistan Extreme, radical Fundamentalist Muslim terrorist groups & non-Muslims
Bosnia Serbian Orthodox Christians, Roman Catholic), Muslims
Côte d'Ivoire Muslims, Indigenous, Christian
Cyprus Christians & Muslims
East Timor Christians & Muslims
India Animists, Hindus, Muslims & Sikhs
Indonesia, province of Ambon Christians & Muslims
Indonesia, province of Halmahera Christians & Muslims
Kashmir Hindus & Muslims
Kosovo Serbian Orthodox Christians & Muslims
Kurdistan Christians, Muslims
Macedonia Macedonian Orthodox Christians & Muslims
Middle East Jews, Muslims, & Christians
Nigeria Christians, Animists, & Muslims
Northern Ireland Protestants, Catholics
Pakistan Suni & Shi'ite Muslims
Philippines Christians & Muslims
Russia,
Chechnya Russian Orthodox Christians, Muslims
South Africa Animists & "Witches"
Sri Lanka Buddhists & Hindus
Sudan Animists, Christians & Muslims
Tibet Buddhists & Communists
Uganda Animists, Christians, & Muslims

wtf? are you serious? you call that a list of religious wars? no offence but i refuse to believe you are this stupid.

since when is the despute over kashmir between india and pakistan about religion?

since when is the war between the taliban and coalition forces over religion?

the so called war in Cyprus is political between muslims and non-muslims, the freakin island has less than 700 000 people and the last time a person died over religion was decades ago

jesus where did you dig up this list?

you have about 5 on the list on Indonesia, yes there is desputes over islands and shit, but not a war man, they're not at each other because one group is muslimand the other is christian

i never knew there was a war between muslims and sikhs lol wtf?

umm theres a religious war in macedonia?

LOL @ the 'current' war in kurdistan, that place does not exist man, can you point me out to where exactly kurdistan is exactly located? if you're talkin about the kurds in turkey and iraq than no they are not at war with the christians... wow

a religious war in south africa between Animists and witches? lmao ok...

theres a religious war between sunni and shiite muslims in pakistan? since when? i think id know about this war since i happen to be a muslim myself

the death toll from just the Vietnam war alone is much larger than all those so called religious wars on your list put together.

Hubbles findings were based on 3rd dimensional view -as in, he would have viewed the universe as a straight line....instead of curved.

can't believe you are still denying this.. the majority of the world scientists have accepted and acknowledged this fact.

Scientists are not in accord as to whether the universe had a beginning. A few still believe it is possible it has always existed. British physicist Stephen Hawking explains why. "So long as the universe had a beginning, we could suppose it had a creator. But if the universe is really completely self-contained, having no boundary or edge, it would have neither beginning nor end: it would simply be" (A Brief History of Time, pp. 140-141).

But this concept is no longer the dominant scientific view. Most scientists now accept that the universe began suddenly and at a specific point in time.

http://www.ucgstp.org/lit/booklets/exist/begining.html
http://www.harvardhouse.com/Scientific_Evidence_for_Beginning.htm

 

[kman_69]

Most scientists now accept that the universe began suddenly and at a specific point in time.

exactly -at a point in TIME....from a 4th dimensional perspective, this is just a point, just like the polar ice-caps are points on earth...the beginning and end of the universe are just POINTS in space/time....not singularities...

understand what im saying?

wtf? are you serious? you call that a list of religious wars? no offence but i refuse to believe you are this stupid.

man, dont start name calling when you debate "your stupid blah blah blah..." its very childish.

i googled that list....im tired, cbf'd finding the link...but it was a .org -so it was pretty credible.

and just reading over the list you made....many of them had religous undertones...take WW2 for example...i mean did u forget that Hitler killed 6 million people in the name of RELIGION?

what about this??^^



anyways, this is really all off topic....can we get back to the destruction of our environment in relation to people awaiting the afterlife...??

in a million years every person dead or alive will be in heaven or hell for all eternity, there will be no more earth. i'd say in between 1000-2000 years we will all be in heaven or hell, i am just about 100% sure.

and id really like this to be acknowledged in reference to this!!.....everybody must see the connection here!....

 

[kman_69]

Now, for the sake of this thread, I fail to see why we should preserve this planet and not destroy the environment and such.

exaclty my point....why do you fail to see this?!?! -becuase your waiting to go to heaven?

 

[S O F I]

^I don't really believe in heaven. I just don't believe in preservation of life, the meaning of life that people think up (Have kids, give help to others), and so on. If the world was going to end tomorrow, I would be perfectly fine with it, as long as we all go.

 

[feichen]

hitler didnt kill 6 million in the name of religion
he hated christians too, he just didnt do anything against it cuz its impossible

he hated jews obviously more than christians
but he was an atheist himself and thought that he was g'd

 

[kman_69]

^I don't really believe in heaven. I just don't believe in preservation of life, the meaning of life that people think up (Have kids, give help to others), and so on. If the world was going to end tomorrow, I would be perfectly fine with it, as long as we all go.

fair enough....but i have a feeling theres more to your statement that your letting on...


personally i feel we are very lucky to have a race of people such as us humans that are lucky enough to have a planet that sustains our life...and i think we should whatever we can to preserve and advance us, only seems logical to me.

 

[S O F I]

fair enough....but i have a feeling theres more to your statement that your letting on...

If you ever find out, please do tell me.

personally i feel we are very lucky to have a race of people such as us humans that are lucky enough to have a planet that sustains our life...and i think we should whatever we can to preserve and advance us, only seems logical to me.

Well, that's a good way of looking at it. Personally, I don't.