Death threats against Mohammed cartoonists

[Minardi]

Well a picture of a prophet, a bomb on his head embedded with islamic writing and you ask whats the insulting part!

If you read again, i was asking YOU what you found insulting, the bomb or the whole thing about artists making pictures of the prophet. I got that answer.

It shows the artists hate for Islam, it doesn't even show what aspects of Islam he hates.

Actually, i think the bomb illutrates perfectly what he hates about islam, the fanatic terrorists using the quran to justify thier ways, but thats just how i see that picture, and people view art different from eachother.

This is a religion which many people see as a way of life, you can't just show hatred towards the whole religion without reason.

Again, thats freedom of speech.

yes, but this doesn't mean freedom to hate
There must be limits, how about a totally racist picture would you agree with that?

Yes it does! people may then choose to ignore or attack the person verbally if they feel its wrong.
And there are laws against religious and racist statements in this country, but it isnt like you arent allowed to speak negatively about something.

true, they should just ignore this rather then give the artist publicity.

And thats the whole point!

 

[Minardi]

obviously you're not very familiar with denmarks foreign policy or about a danes perspective (yea I know,abit hypocritical of me drawing a conclusion that every dane thinks the same) about islam and foerigners then you'd know a thing or two.

I guess you arent familiar either...

 

[Minardi]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

A dane talking about what's right or wrong, what's hypocritical and what's not, what's racist and what's not.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This is the best joke since Hitler declared that he didn't have any intention of invading Poland.

BWAHAHAHA

Are you trying to test freedom of speech on me? if you are it only shows me your a morron, i wouldnt ask for embargo on your country, and put a bounty on your head.

 

[RFTP]

I guess you arent familiar either...

I can assure you that I know more of it then you do!

 

[RFTP]

Are you trying to test freedom of speech on me? if you are it only shows me your a morron, i wouldnt ask for embargo on your country, and put a bounty on your head.

No I'm not testing anything, I just find it funny that someone from a country, suposedly democratic who wrote an 88 long paged enclosure about how "evil" the foreigner and these muslims are, to be a tad bit hypocritical!

 

[tupacmansion]

Actually, i think the bomb illutrates perfectly what he hates about islam, the fanatic terrorists using the quran to justify thier ways, but thats just how i see that picture, and people view art different from eachother.

No, if the artist was referring to fanatic terrorists then he would have a point.
This artists is suggesting that the prophet is a terrorist, therefore saying that the whole of Islam supports terrorism. You can't simply sterotype a whole religion. This picture is offensive to all muslims and is specifically aimed at muslims. Its only purpose is to offend.
Fair enough terrorism is a problem, but you can't associate terrorism
with every muslim which is what this image does.

Again, thats freedom of speech.

Again, freedom of speech shouldn't allow people to openly show their hatred, and get away with it because its "freedom of speech".

 

[Shahin]

Is your arguement that the artists didn't have the freedom to say what they wanted about islam? Because they did, they were published and everything. Freedom of speech obviously doesn't mean that you can say whatever you want without any consequences.

 

[ill-matic]

both the islamic and the christian images are as bad as each other

it's just islamic fanatics who go all hey-wire cos they're fucked.

 

[Minardi]

Is your arguement that the artists didn't have the freedom to say what they wanted about islam? Because they did, they were published and everything. Freedom of speech obviously doesn't mean that you can say whatever you want without any consequences.

Obviosly thats not my argument, and yes freedom of speech should mean that you are able to say what you like without fearing about bounty's on your head, embargo or other sick ideas.

Shits blown out of proportion.

What surprices me the most is how some countries leaders are DAMN primitive in thier thinking, a newspaper publishes an article, and all of a sudden muslim leaders want our president to make an appology on something he doesnt even control, or else they will cut trade routes!?. Why do some people in HERE back that up!? ya'll seem to focus on the damn pictures when thats not the point in this discussion!

 

[Shahin]

Obviosly thats not my argument, and yes freedom of speech should mean that you are able to say what you like without fearing about bounty's on your head, embargo or other sick ideas.

Shits blown out of proportion.

What surprices me the most is how some countries leaders are DAMN primitive in thier thinking, a newspaper publishes an article, and all of a sudden muslim leaders want our president to make an appology on something he doesnt even control, or else they will cut trade routes!?. Why do some people in HERE back that up!? ya'll seem to focus on the damn pictures when thats not the point in this discussion!

Oh i definitely agree with you, the president shouldn't be involved in the first place as the government doesn't control the newspapers. The newspaper however was clearly in the wrong, and I would support any (peaceful) action taken against it.
Do you think I'd be wrong to say, though, that Denmark is getting very hostile towards immigrants in general and msulims in specific? I don't know for sure but it seems to be going in that direction fro what I hard, would be interesting to hear your thoughts on it.

 

[RFTP]

Denmark is getting very hostile towards immigrants in general and msulims in specific? I don't know for sure but it seems to be going in that direction fro what I hard, would be interesting to hear your thoughts on it.

It's not a new phenomena. They've been on the high horse ever since they won the EC94 (soccer that is). Denmark is one of the most disgusting countries when it comes to immigrants and muslims. They bunch of cunts, from the politicians to the political parties.

 

[Portgas D. Ace]

This is insane.

A newspaper, called Jyllands Posten, in my country, made some sort of test to see how many artists where afraid to illustrate prophet Mohammed - also test freedom of speech/press in Denmark.

To qoute them :
"...Jyllands-Posten has called the cartoons a test of whether fear of Islamic retribution has begun to limit the freedom of expression in Denmark..." - You too judge.

These are 2 of the 12 pictures, also the most offending ones, the rest of the pictures are just normal drawings that wouldnt offend none.
Hypocrites. :laugh:

There is a difference between freedom of speech and freedom to hate and to target people because of thier religion, i think there is a word for it, oh yeah Racism!

the prophet portraited as a terrorist/ Suicide bomber, that suggest that ALL muslims are teorrist too since thiere prophet was one too,
whats funny about those picures ? I cant possibly see how even a danish person would find them funny.

Lets spin this around

Jylland posten ask artists to send in thier drawings about jews to test freedom of press in Denmark.
Lost of artist send in their images, making fun of the holocaust and suggesting that the jewish people had it coming all along.

What would the outcome be ? Plain and simple, everyone would condem it and call it racist, but since in this case its targeting muslims its okay then.

a newspaper publishes an article, and all of a sudden muslim leaders
want our president to make an appology on something he doesnt even control,
or else they will cut trade routes!?. Why do some people in HERE back that up!?
ya'll seem to focus on the damn pictures when thats not the point in this discussion!

First of, Denmark doesn't have a president, We have a prime minister,
secondly, thats not the whole issue, Anders Fogh Rasmussen recently showed openly support to
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a Somali-born member of holland parliament, that openly critizes muslims
and has a vendetta against the religion,
She is fighting for the Quran the "revised" in other words to rewrite the quraan so its
more like the bibel!

I dont expect a appology from the prime minister because of the drawings, he had nothing to do with it,
but i believe the news paper agancy should give a public appology in thier part for supporting
Racism and further stereotyping that all muslims as terrorist.

 

[Portgas D. Ace]

Do you think I'd be wrong to say, though, that Denmark is getting very hostile towards immigrants in general and msulims in specific? I don't know for sure but it seems to be going in that direction from what I heard, would be interesting to hear your thoughts on it.

I can answer this, its true that danish people extremely hostile against immigrants but mostly muslim immigrants,
theres literary almost a new bill interduced towards muslims every other month,
recently there was bill stating that only a nummer of immigrants are allowed to live in the same area, people cant choose where to live ? where is the freedom ?

Denmark has one of the thougst policy towards immigrants in europe and also a recent study done by The Institute of Human Rights in medio 2005, show that
50% of the dansih citizens are hostile towards foreigners in general, this nummer is only surpassed by finland with 52%, Denmark is the second most hostile country in the world.

 

[Rukas]

Im not even reading the rest of this thread, tupacmansion this article TOTALLY went over your head.

The point was that the people upset with this were not upset that Mohammed was drawn in a negative manner, but that he was drawn full stop! The threats do not say they will only kill the 2 negative artists, but all 12!

"Demonstrations in Pakistan have escalated into death threats against Danish illustrators who drew pictures of the prophet Mohammed"

Nothing is mentioned about any of the photos being singled out or more offensive then the others, they are mad that ALL of the photos, even the 10 normal ones, were published.

 

[Rukas]

Lets spin this around

Jylland posten ask artists to send in thier drawings about jews to test freedom of press in Denmark.
Lost of artist send in their images, making fun of the holocaust and suggesting that the jewish people had it coming all along.

What would the outcome be ? Plain and simple, everyone would condem it and call it racist, but since in this case its targeting muslims its okay then.

Not everyone, 2 out of 12!! Geeezzzzz!!! They are mad at the other 10 just as much as the "insulting" 2!

Geez I cant believe some of you...

Even if it was 12 highly offensive photos, you think its alright to put prices on peoples heads because they were insulting?

That's obserd. I bet if it was the other way around, no Muslim would be mad if they did offensive drawings of Jesus or Christian God.

This really is silly, and the fact that most of you just didnt get the point in the first place is just sad.

 

[bigmack]

I find it disrespectful,but at the same time I really don't care.It's just another day,another article,another news broadcast,another lump of bullshit.Media's always making something so insignificant into a big fuckin world crisis.And now we have the death threats coming in,and oh my god what do we have on our hands.

 

[RFTP]

I can answer this, its true that danish people extremely hostile against immigrants but mostly muslim immigrants,

That's not entirely true. You make it seem as if they're ok with other immigrants but they dislike muslims only. Muslims just happen to be one of the "in" right now. It wasn't any different before all the islamofobia. Before they used to hate the balkans, now the muslims and God knows who's next.

 

[RFTP]

That's obserd. I bet if it was the other way around, no Muslim would be mad if they did offensive drawings of Jesus or Christian God.

Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups.

 

[tupacmansion]

Im not even reading the rest of this thread, tupacmansion this article TOTALLY went over your head.

The point was that the people upset with this were not upset that Mohammed was drawn in a negative manner, but that he was drawn full stop! The threats do not say they will only kill the 2 negative artists, but all 12!

"Demonstrations in Pakistan have escalated into death threats against Danish illustrators who drew pictures of the prophet Mohammed"

Nothing is mentioned about any of the photos being singled out or more offensive then the others, they are mad that ALL of the photos, even the 10 normal ones, were published.

Im just giving my personal perspective of the images ive seen and I think they're offensive towards Islam. Thats plain and simple. I know that there has been an over reaction, but as I said im just giving my perspective. Obviously there has been a strong reaction but this just shows how seriously these people take their religion.

 

[Portgas D. Ace]

Not everyone, 2 out of 12!! Geeezzzzz!!! They are mad at the other 10 just as much as the "insulting" 2!

Geez I cant believe some of you...

Even if it was 12 highly offensive photos, you think its alright to put prices on peoples heads because they were insulting?

No there is something you dont understand, the 2 shown in this thread are the most offensive once, that doesn't mean the 10 others weren't.
Have you even seen the 10 others ?

And i agree no one should put a price on someones head because of this but i believe the media is exagerrating here.

That's obserd. I bet if it was the other way around, no Muslim would be mad if they did offensive drawings of Jesus or Christian God.

There where you are wrong, i dont believe people should be target because of thiere religion,
'Hey, lets test "freedom of press" in denmark by publishing pictures of the muslim prophet whice are obviously racist and insulting, sure many muslims will be mad but who cares ?'

But i'm not arguing the 2 pictures, i'm arguing that they did it to start with.

You from Australia right ?
well we all seen how foreigners are dealt with over there