Crips Founder/Children's Author To Be Executed

[Kid_Viciouz]

This is an interesting topic I believe that mankind doesn't have the right to decide who lives or dies. this man has done alot of good as well as bad. but i think they should let him live let god be his judge. if he is killed there will be so much chaos in not only in LA but in the bay where i'm from alot of people look up to this guy. he is an inspiration.

 

[MikeTyson]

When I was in prison, I was wrapped up in all those deep books - that Tolstoy crap. People shouldn't read that stuff. When we read those books, what purpose does it serve in this day and time?

 

[bastin872]

Nobody is "praising" him like he's a "saint".

He made a mistake, yes he killed people. But people have been killing each other off since the begining of time.

What gives anybody the right to take another man's life? (What makes the state of California any better then him if they execute him).

You can't replace another person's life by take another person's life.

Yeah some people were killed, but killing him isnt going to bring any of them back.

So if somebody killed somebody in your family and got death, you wouldnt want him dead?

 

[Freedom Froggy]

So if somebody killed somebody in your family and got death, you wouldnt want him dead?

ofcourse your gonna want him dead if he killed some one in your family.. but since he didnt. we are on the outside lookin in...

so ofcourse ... on the outside.. the verdict could go one way or the other

 

[AmerikazMost]

I don't think I could say anything Froggy already hasn't.

 

[PuffnScruff]

The guy is 51 years old man. I don't think he's going to go back on the streets and start chopping rocks.

i've seen it happen

if this man was not the co-founder of the crips, would you all still have the same views?

you all need to look at this from a legal system point of view. his bad deeds out weight his good ones. he killed in prison too. dont forget that. he killed people who were doing a job. trying to make money to put food the their familys table.

i'm not saying that his bringing two rival gangs together is not a good thing and did not save lives. but that doesnt make up for the cancer he helped create

 

[KrAzY:aka:AnDy]

So if somebody killed somebody in your family and got death, you wouldnt want him dead?

Sure in my mind i'd be like "fuck i wanna kill that mother fucker" and it's not like i'd give a flying fuck if he ended up dead the next day, week, month or year...

but for me to kill him, how would that do anything? Would it bring my "family member" back?

the answer: no.

See this is the problem, it's this mentality that blood's and crips share, and this is the mentality tookie and alot of other people fought against (even tupac).

A crip get's slayed by a blood, so what do they do? they go out n slay the blood that killed the crip, then the crip that killed that blood gets shot up too.. and it goes on and on. It's an epedemic and it starts in the mind, and thats where it needs to end.

If you go around shooting everybody who ever did you wrong or hurt somebody you cared about what on earth would that do? And how would it make you any better then them?

It's just like somebody steals something from you, are you gonna go steal from them? How does that help anything.

Retaliation is stupid, revenge has its own way of working - Karma.

 

[Freedom Froggy]

i've seen it happen

if this man was not the co-founder of the crips, would you all still have the same views?

you all need to look at this from a legal system point of view. his bad deeds out weight his good ones. he killed in prison too. dont forget that. he killed people who were doing a job. trying to make money to put food the their familys table.

i'm not saying that his bringing two rival gangs together is not a good thing and did not save lives. but that doesnt make up for the cancer he helped create

he didnt create gangs/ crime/ killing.... that shyts been going on since the beggining of time.. you cant blame him for that..


the man that wrote Amazing Grace.. was a murderer and a slave owner... he thru hundreds of africans overboard... and he wrote a damn song begging for forgivness and he was spared any type of backlash

 

[KrAzY:aka:AnDy]

he didnt create gangs/ crime/ killing.... that shyts been going on since the beggining of time.. you cant blame him for that..


the man that wrote Amazing Grace.. was a murderer and a slave owner... he thru hundreds of africans overboard... and he wrote a damn song begging for forgivness and he was spared any type of backlash

Whoa i didn't know that (the Amazing Grace thing),

But this is what im saying, you can't point the finger at him and say "this man is the reason why we have gangs, crime, drug infested neighbourhoods etc..."

 

[PuffnScruff]

he didnt create gangs/ crime/ killing.... that shyts been going on since the beggining of time.. you cant blame him for that..


the man that wrote Amazing Grace.. was a murderer and a slave owner... he thru hundreds of africans overboard... and he wrote a damn song begging for forgivness and he was spared any type of backlash

i never said he did create gangs, crime, killings. i know that it has been around for ages.i;m fully aware that gangsters existed before the 90's. all i said was that what he created, the crips, became a cancer on society. i only blame him for his crimes, which from the looks of this board people do not really seem to care about.

 

[Hennessy]

This is a difficult situation morally.

You can look at it from so many different perspectives, but i don't think the excuse of '' he's not the first person to kill someone '', and '' it's not like gangs wouldn't have happened it it wasn't for him '' are very reasonable nor are they realistic.

You could also say based on his past, that he was even lucky to not have been executed sooner for the crimes he committed. However, i think with what he's accomplshed as far as progressing away from that life, and promoting others to do the same should definitely give him some leeway as far as living goes.

 

[KrAzY:aka:AnDy]

i never said he did create gangs, crime, killings. i know that it has been around for ages.i;m fully aware that gangsters existed before the 90's. all i said was that what he created, the crips, became a cancer on society. i only blame him for his crimes, which from the looks of this board people do not really seem to care about.

It's not that people don't care, it's that... yes he did the wrong thing. But what will taking his life do for anybody? he's 51 he can't do shit now, he's practically a pentioner. It's not like he can kill anybody now, his life is over, why kill the man... he was a criminal, he killed people, he started a gang, but it's obvious he has learnt from his mistakes and killing someone just because they killed other people doesnt even out the score.

I keep saying this over and over, and even if he did create a gang it's not like he just made it and left people to kill each other, he went backwards and fixed it.

 

[Hennessy]

You can't even come close to saying he 'fixed' it.

Gang violence underneath the Crips title is still going on today, Tookie might be doing the right thing now, but there are people who have been executed for doing much less than he did. I think you do need to look at that aspect of it, i'm not supporting his execution, but none of these excuses are really supporting why he is any better than someone who has murdered or caused murders.

 

[Freedom Froggy]

i never said he did create gangs, crime, killings. i know that it has been around for ages.i;m fully aware that gangsters existed before the 90's. all i said was that what he created, the crips, became a cancer on society. i only blame him for his crimes, which from the looks of this board people do not really seem to care about.

people do care.. but executing him wont do nothing but make the situation worse.... when LA starts recording a record number of murders again.. then the law is going to blame it on the youths...

when in fact the law created this problem by not intervening along time ago to create a safe haven for kids instead of just putting them in prison.. people talk about how urban neighborhoods are and there only answer is to put them in prison..

fed and state govt does not do enough nor do they care about innercity youth...

1 man, 1 community center/ymca.. whatever.. thats not enough...jim brown can only do so much lol

when this man dies... dont say i didnt tell you so... gang violence will increase

 

[Freedom Froggy]

oh and another thing... 20-25 yrs is the avg for a deathrow inmate in california to sit before executed.. so hes not the 1st to wait that long and wont be the last

 

[PuffnScruff]

i agree with hennessy. how can you say he fixed anything when nothing is really fixed at all.

froggy,what would be your punishment for breaking the law other than prison or jail time?

people that expect their govt to do things for them live in a dream world. if you want things to happen you have to make then happen. there is only so much the govt, at all levels, can do. the govt isn't superman, they cant save everyone and fix everyones problems. they give you a law to abide by and a few other things, but other than that your on your own in the country.

communities have to come together and make the change in their neighborhoods. not the govt.

unless you want tanks rolling through your street. i personally could do without that.

 

[KrAzY:aka:AnDy]

You all seem to be forgetting that some of the most inspirational people of our time have been subjected to voilence or have been the cause of some sort of violent act.

Once you're at the bottom and you feel straight up hopeless is where the inspiration for such things come from, can you imagine living in a ghetto? Seeing your parents constantly broke and being deprived of toys and other things in life? How do you think drugs came and infested ghetto's to start with? What sprung the idea?

These ideas all stem out of one thing, poverty.

poverty, poverty, poverty.

And what happens? You start putting drugs into the ghetto, and you get people addicted, so you're making money... and then somebody suddenly steps on ur feet and starts playing the same game as you and starts selling the same shit ur selling at competitive prices' so what do you do?

You gotta feed your family too... you form a gang, they form a gang and thats how it all starts.

The moral of the story is, poverty is the reason for crime, homocide, drugs... for all of that shit. Especially within African-American communities, if the government hadn't neglected suburbs like Compton, Watts, Harlem and the likes of those do you actually think any of this would have been a problem initially?

The government didn't give a fuck about American's to start with, for crying out loud they were slaves! And you wonder why genocide is such a problem when you have so many people living on the streets and wearing the same clothes.

And lol, perhaps i took this a bit far... but everything has its own roots.

 

[PuffnScruff]

LOL at you trying to tell me how a gang works.

drugs are not just in ghettos. drugs didnt start in ghettos. to be honest i've seen drugs from ghettos. they arent shit to what you can get off of an old farmer in the sticks. but i'm ranting...

 

[Freedom Froggy]

i agree with hennessy. how can you say he fixed anything when nothing is really fixed at all.

froggy,what would be your punishment for breaking the law other than prison or jail time?

people that expect their govt to do things for them live in a dream world. if you want things to happen you have to make then happen. there is only so much the govt, at all levels, can do. the govt isn't superman, they cant save everyone and fix everyones problems. they give you a law to abide by and a few other things, but other than that your on your own in the country.

communities have to come together and make the change in their neighborhoods. not the govt.

unless you want tanks rolling through your street. i personally could do without that.

puffnscruff.. do you even understand what im saying???

listen, prison/jail/excution is not the only solution for every crime committed...

im not saying murder/ assault... any violent offence should go unpunished or even that jail/prison is not the right place for these people

but this man... who is on deathrow...is actually one person who HAS made a difference in the urban hoods of los angeles...

that should count for something in the largest metro area in the U.S.

there will always be gangs/murder/ blah blah ect... the crips and bloods will continue to fight.. but not on the large scale that they where doing before the truces....

and you say you have to make things happen right?? well he is making positive things happen from his cell... imagine what he could do on the street with some backing from the govt... but im sure bill oreilly will never let that happen

the govt is behind alot of the problems in america and around the globe.. they should be held responsible... what is it that you mean they can only do so much??? ok they put people in jail .... wow... what are they doing to prevent people from going down that road in the 1st place???? NOTHING

 

[KrAzY:aka:AnDy]

I'm not saying drugs are only in the ghettos and they started in the ghettos that would be stereotyping...I'm saying drugs were introduced to ghettos because of poverty.