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[not really ken]

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[arabic187]

I was wondering. What is the meaning of the star in the logo of the Jeyllandsposten or what dose it stand for.


www.jp.dk

 

[hizzle?]

are these the pics?


it has always been my understanding that political cartoons are ment to be offensive
cartoons political and non are made all the time about all types of religions. but you dont see christians, jews, or any other religion getting their thongs in a bunch. its just a cartoon.

seriously some people need to pull their skirts up:thumb:

the thing is that Muslims don't have the right to picture their prophet... they don't have the right to put a face on mahomet/mohammed...however you call him in english..

 

[Valeoz]

I was wondering. What is the meaning of the star in the logo of the Jeyllandsposten or what dose it stand for.


www.jp.dk

It's the star of david, is that what you were expecting?



Note: I really don't know what it means.

 

[Valeoz]

This is childish and incomparable. Why do you Muslims (fundamentalists) always have to retiliate? Don't you realize that you are making a fool of yourselves more than that Danish newspaper?!? Islam is getting a jacked up image not because of the West but because you, yourself, is giving Islam a jacked up image. This is getting stupid.

And lets remember this is not some extremists, this is the Arab European League's official website. Sick. Not helpful nor constructive.

Muslims had the upper hand and had a chance to turn the Danish newspaper incident to their favor. They're just messing it up more for themselves now. Good luck.

Dutch Islamists post cartoons depicting Anne Frank, Hitler in bed:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/678639.html
http://www.arabeuropean.org/

Edit: And where do the Jews fit into all of this? Don't me tell that they're blaming Jews.

 

[LL COOL PAC]

What's this issue got to do with the topic? LL Cool Singh! What a childish and pathetic argument. What's the fact that there are muslims living in the UK or US got to do with it. HAve you not the ability to accomodate 'other' and think about the world situation past this childish ignorance and the hatred you have for Pakistan.

you still have not responded to the question. why is there no outrage when as there often is anti sematic jokes comments in the arabic/pakistani press. plus yeah i don't like pakistan and that will not change until they turn of the terror tap- the terrorists who recently bombed india were trained in pakistan (surprise surprise).
Now as for the cartoons The danish have the right to print that, and that right must be defended.

However it was probably insensitive to do so. Though all religions should be open to criticisms in the press, that doesn't rule out being respectful of one's beliefs. Islamic tradition bans depictions of the Prophet or Allah as a set rule, and I think that it's still perfectly possible to criticise the religion without causing this kind of offence. Nevertheless the way the Muslim world has reacted to this has been over the top, to say the least. Islam has no "right" to demand anyhing of non-Muslims. And the fact that it thinks it does is damn insulting. And if, as a non-Muslim, you disobey certian rules, then it shouldn't result in death threats and violence. Why oh why does it always have to end in death threats and violence?


To look at world issues remember what happened to the asylum seekers from sudan when they arrived in Egypt. Look at how heavy handed the police were (which by the way resulted in a number of deaths) The response from the local people- why don't they go home. so where is the accomodating others? btw l l cool singh is my friend thats why i use that name

 

[Mr Matt]

that's not a problem,

the problem is what most non muslim people (and those who were actually targeted by the message) understand from the cartoons.

I just wanted to ask you, what do you think is more damaging to Islam or the reputation of the worldwide Muslim population, the images of two cartoons published in Denmark last September which most the world had never even heard of until last week, or the reaction from the Muslims all over the world to it?

I would really like to be in on the planning of these things to see how they justify it;

- "A newspaper in another country has published blaphemous cartoons of our Prophet, what's the logical course of action here?"

- "Well, CLEARLY the first thing we should think about is burning down their Embassies, making life threatening protests and destroying the jobs and lives of thousands of people who have nothing to do with the publishers and probably don't even share the same opinions all as them over the world"

- "Oh yeah, of course."


If anyone would like to try and justify it to me I would be interested in your argument.
Peace.

 

[The.Menace]

Nevertheless the way the Muslim world has reacted to this has been over the top, to say the least. Islam has no "right" to demand anyhing of non-Muslims. And the fact that it thinks it does is damn insulting.

word up.

And MrMatt, I agree with everything u said.

I dunno, don't you muslims realize that you'll reach nothing but hate when you act this way? See Europe always kinda slowed down the US, how long do you think they'll do that if oyu burn down their buildings? Sooner or later Europe will turn its back on the muslim world and then we have a seperated world West vs East - is that what you want? Spread hate? Spread violence? Why is it that Islam don't want to unite the world but seperate?
I don't know, palestina got millions of $ from europe and all you give in return is hate? What do you expect from the west in the future then? What do you expect us to do?

 

[not really ken]

you still have not responded to the question. why is there no outrage when as there often is anti sematic jokes comments in the arabic/pakistani press.

To say that Israel should have UN sanctions imposed against them is not anti-semetic it is the truth. Why does highlighting Israels state sponsored terrorism become an anti-semetic article. Why does saying that only 50% of the people murdered in the holocause were jews become anti-semetic. Besides, there are millions and millions of articles, cartoons, web-blogs etc that are anti-Islam, what about them? Have you selectively forgotten them? the point here isn't anything to do with Israel though yet you have to bring your hate in here as well. There have been tons of threads on Israel where these points have been argued.

plus yeah i don't like pakistan and that will not change until they turn of the terror tap- the terrorists who recently bombed india were trained in pakistan (surprise surprise).
Now as for the cartoons The danish have the right to print that, and that right must be defended.

Well I don't like INdia, becasue of there state sponsored terrorism in Kashmir and Karachi. They have destroyed the city of Karachi from one of the busiest ports in the world to a war zone. In the Indian agenda for Kashmir on of the goals for Kashmir is to obtain the land in order to further the Bollywood industry. So Indian army is killing people and torturing thousands just so they can have some knobhead and a slut to prance around like retards singing about love.

However it was probably insensitive to do so. Though all religions should be open to criticisms in the press, that doesn't rule out being respectful of one's beliefs. Islamic tradition bans depictions of the Prophet or Allah as a set rule, and I think that it's still perfectly possible to criticise the religion without causing this kind of offence. Nevertheless the way the Muslim world has reacted to this has been over the top, to say the least. Islam has no "right" to demand anyhing of non-Muslims. And the fact that it thinks it does is damn insulting. And if, as a non-Muslim, you disobey certian rules, then it shouldn't result in death threats and violence. Why oh why does it always have to end in death threats and violence?

Islam is criticised daily in the worlds newspapers. But the issue here was never about criticism, but villification, that was the difference. There are over 6000 images drwan throughout history by differnet people of the prophet on google there are a googol number of articles criticising Islam

To look at world issues remember what happened to the asylum seekers from sudan when they arrived in Egypt. Look at how heavy handed the police were (which by the way resulted in a number of deaths) The response from the local people- why don't they go home. so where is the accomodating others? btw l l cool singh is my friend thats why i use that name

I don't know about the specific claims you make but Africa is ravaged with dictators and war, with guns made in Britain and America. Why, when in an Islamic part of Africa does Islam have to be on trial before the sadistic dictators and generals that commit these genocide and crimes.
What about kosovo and bosnia where muslims were pillaged and murdered in mass numbers, the ethinic cleansing? Now in Iraq there have been 70000 approx civillian deaths. What about when the US secretary of state said that a million dead children in Iraq was 'a price worth paying'! Its not like we are immune to genocide and suffering.

 

[not really ken]

I have a question for Not realy ken - do you condone the actions of members of your religion who are protesting over the now imfanmous cartoons and who are baying for blood and calling for Jihad ? What is your personal opinion ? do you agree with this ?

Do Christians condone what Hitler did in his lifetime? The concept of collective guilt, where everybody is held accountable for a number of peoples actions is irrational and wrong.
Nonetheless, I do not agree with the method of protest employed and neither to most people. But what happened in London was many people took upon themselves to offensively demonstrate how excercising a right without responsibilitycan cause offense and be disturbing to other groups of people. I think the idea behind it was decent but it backfired totally. Nobody in London was seiouslybaying for blood. it's just how it came across that people were offended by it.

Also do you not think the people in Middle eastern countrys and now London that are burning flags and rejoicing in 9/11 etc are portraying everything this cartoon rightly or wrongly suggests ?

I've spoken on the people of ME in an earlier post. The people in London were protesting with intent to offend to highlight the hypocrisy if and when there was an outcry about there method of protest. There has been no reports in the media today of any of the protestors being given a voice. The one guy that was dressed as a suicide bomber (actually he was just wearing a military jacket bought from the high street) apologised for any offense to the 7/7 victims families and stated he was not there to show support for violence. Rather to demonstrate how free speech can offend when it goes beyond the boundaries that are held valuable to people.

I have been deeply offended by these protests in London but am not calling for the death of all Muslims - now should i now protest on the streets of London and encourage the death of innocent Muslims ?? If i did i bet my life i would be arrested unlike the muslims protesting in London .

you have been offended, so they have served their purpose. THe cartoons incited hatred for muslims and villified the prophet, so it was deeply offensive to someone like me as well. The protest in London was the recompense for the move made by the Danish media in the first place.

 

[The.Menace]

The cartoons incited hatred for muslims and villified the prophet, so it was deeply offensive to someone like me as well

Why don't you just get over it? People all over the world get offened every day - but the musilms seem 2 be the only ones right now that feel the urge to burn down buildings as soon as they think they're offended.

 

[not really ken]

^I am over it, do you see me burning down a builiding. Or what do you want me to do, be responsbile for every muslim in the world? Are you responsible for every alcohol consuming person in the world?
We have the urge to defend our values, maybe you like to be passive about even your sister being fucked by a randomn stranger one night and a radomn stranger another night but don't expect me to be. Burning a building is not an action you do to protest, it is something that is lead onto when protests get out of hand. Why the fuck were black people burning buildings and cars in the LA protest/riots! Why were people looting stores in New Orleans? Wjy get the urge to loot when you have just suffered the worst disaster in your history.

 

[The.Menace]

Good to hear you're over it, but I wish the rest of the world would get over it as well. It's just a cartoon. Period. There are so many cartoons out there but only muslims take it so personal.
Yes blacks did burn buildings but because of something that happend right there in their city. Those muslims that protest burn buildings and flags from a country that most of them wouldn't even find on a fuckin map. There is a difference. Plus the riots where started by something way more relevant then a lil cartoon, there is a difference as well. Lootin in New Orleans? Please ken, you can't compare that at all to protests, that's a whole different story. And that about my sister, well, I dunno what u try 2 say. My sisters doesn't act this way but if she'd do that still would be her decison, not mine. Here we have freedom at his finest. While you'd be active about values I'd believe in freedom.

 

[Pittsey]

Do Christians condone what Hitler did in his lifetime? The concept of collective guilt, where everybody is held accountable for a number of peoples actions is irrational and wrong.
Nonetheless, I do not agree with the method of protest employed and neither to most people. But what happened in London was many people took upon themselves to offensively demonstrate how excercising a right without responsibilitycan cause offense and be disturbing to other groups of people. I think the idea behind it was decent but it backfired totally. Nobody in London was seiouslybaying for blood. it's just how it came across that people were offended by it.


I've spoken on the people of ME in an earlier post. The people in London were protesting with intent to offend to highlight the hypocrisy if and when there was an outcry about there method of protest. There has been no reports in the media today of any of the protestors being given a voice. The one guy that was dressed as a suicide bomber (actually he was just wearing a military jacket bought from the high street) apologised for any offense to the 7/7 victims families and stated he was not there to show support for violence. Rather to demonstrate how free speech can offend when it goes beyond the boundaries that are held valuable to people.


you have been offended, so they have served their purpose. THe cartoons incited hatred for muslims and villified the prophet, so it was deeply offensive to someone like me as well. The protest in London was the recompense for the move made by the Danish media in the first place.

So you expect me to believe that this was them showing freedom of speech is offensive?

Why target London then? Did UK newspapers publish the pics, even from a cultural affairs point of view? No they didn't. Did they start or even support the pictures? Not they didn't.

The people protesting were Muslim extremists. Which, if you read the 2/3 posts you've made above, you are sounding increasingly more like.

I understand you feel the need to defend yourself, but you are not going the right way about it. Comments like these do not help.

We have the urge to defend our values, maybe you like to be passive about even your sister being fucked by a randomn stranger one night and a radomn stranger another night but don't expect me to be.

^^ Attack on westerners???

Well I don't like INdia, becasue of there state sponsored terrorism in Kashmir and Karachi. They have destroyed the city of Karachi from one of the busiest ports in the world to a war zone. In the Indian agenda for Kashmir on of the goals for Kashmir is to obtain the land in order to further the Bollywood industry. So Indian army is killing people and torturing thousands just so they can have some knobhead and a slut to prance around like retards singing about love.

More of yours and LL Cool Pac's shit. Which will see you both banned. I'm losing patience. I come from Slough, I see a lot of race hate crimes. And 90% of it is between Muslims and Sikhs. It is bollocks, get over the history and learn to get along. If you can't, don't bring it on here.




I know you feel backed into a corner Ken, and I know Islam does get a lot of bad press from Ignorant people. But not all white people are against you, and not all think of Muslims as Terrorists.

 

[LL COOL PAC]

i apologise pittsey ken if you want to continue to discuss this topic just pm me i have alot to say regarding your posts but i guess not here

 

[Sebastian]

Good to hear you're over it, but I wish the rest of the world would get over it as well. It's just a cartoon. Period. There are so many cartoons out there but only muslims take it so personal.
Yes blacks did burn buildings but because of something that happend right there in their city. Those muslims that protest burn buildings and flags from a country that most of them wouldn't even find on a fuckin map. There is a difference. Plus the riots where started by something way more relevant then a lil cartoon, there is a difference as well. Lootin in New Orleans? Please ken, you can't compare that at all to protests, that's a whole different story. And that about my sister, well, I dunno what u try 2 say. My sisters doesn't act this way but if she'd do that still would be her decison, not mine. Here we have freedom at his finest. While you'd be active about values I'd believe in freedom.

true.

the other examples you made ken doesnt fit to the cartoon conflict at all.

 

[not really ken]

Good to hear you're over it, but I wish the rest of the world would get over it as well. It's just a cartoon. Period. There are so many cartoons out there but only muslims take it so personal.
Yes blacks did burn buildings but because of something that happend right there in their city. Those muslims that protest burn buildings and flags from a country that most of them wouldn't even find on a fuckin map. There is a difference. Plus the riots where started by something way more relevant then a lil cartoon, there is a difference as well. Lootin in New Orleans? Please ken, you can't compare that at all to protests, that's a whole different story. And that about my sister, well, I dunno what u try 2 say. My sisters doesn't act this way but if she'd do that still would be her decison, not mine. Here we have freedom at his finest. While you'd be active about values I'd believe in freedom.

with rights (of freedom) come responsibilities. You place emphasis on the rights (of freedom) i place emphasis on responsibilities. infact you look at freedom as an idea which doesn't need responsibility to control it. I look at freedom as a great gift as long as i am responsible to control it.

Also, situations get outta hand very quickly. When people are free to do what they want most of them want to cause destruction as a way of getting it out of their system. Maybe people everywhere don't care about responsibilities no more

 

[Khaled]

I just wanted to ask you, what do you think is more damaging to Islam or the reputation of the worldwide Muslim population, the images of two cartoons published in Denmark last September which most the world had never even heard of until last week, or the reaction from the Muslims all over the world to it?

I would really like to be in on the planning of these things to see how they justify it;

- "A newspaper in another country has published blaphemous cartoons of our Prophet, what's the logical course of action here?"

- "Well, CLEARLY the first thing we should think about is burning down their Embassies, making life threatening protests and destroying the jobs and lives of thousands of people who have nothing to do with the publishers and probably don't even share the same opinions all as them over the world"

- "Oh yeah, of course."


If anyone would like to try and justify it to me I would be interested in your argument.
Peace.

What is worse to Islam, definitely the reaction. I disagree completely with the way People reacted. If you read my 1st post, i even disagreed with the boycotting. And I can't see where i have ever shown or hinted that the death threats or the burning down of the embassies were founded. read the petition i posted earlier.

the riots were ridiculous, but the reaction was expected. Before the begining of the riots, i wrote here that there were gonna be huge problems, and innocent peope are going to die.
I expected the reaction of these morones who started burning buildings. But this is precisely why i criticised the drawings.

bottom line, we expected this from the muslims, and this is precisely why they shouldn't have published the drawings. Is it their right to publish it? of course. But it seemed stupid and irresponsible to continue fuelling the issue after all the shit that began to happen, whereas all this could have been avoided very easilly if they had issued an apology right away, and stopped publishing the drawings in other countries.

 

[Pittsey]

. Is it their right to publish it? of course. But it seemed stupid and irresponsible to continue fuelling the issue after all the shit that began to happen, whereas all this could have been avoided very easilly if they had issued an apology right away, and stopped publishing the drawings in other countries.

Agreed.

And precisely why they should never have passed the editors desk. Although I still support freedom of speech, I don't think these pictures should have been published. They knew what would happen, and it's what they wanted to happen.

 

[Pittsey]

i apologise pittsey ken if you want to continue to discuss this topic just pm me i have alot to say regarding your posts but i guess not here

It's not the discussion. Discussion is welcome. Comments like "I hate Pakistan", are not.