Best army/special forces in world history?

[Glockmatic]

Hold on,

800,000 inhabitants were not rich at all. And yet, they were brutally massacred.

"800,000 of the inhabitants were brought out in batches from the city to be massacred, and the greater part of the city itself was destroyed by fire

800,000 in baghdad yes? It was a rich city, therefore it was massacred incase they betrayed the mongols. But it wasn't Genghis who did that, i believe it was his grandson who led the invasion into whats today Iraq.

 

[Yahya]

800,000 in baghdad yes? It was a rich city, therefore it was massacred incase they betrayed the mongols. But it wasn't Genghis who did that, i believe it was his grandson who led the invasion into whats today Iraq.

The quote that you stated has nothin' to do with the city bein' "rich"

You quoted:
Those who had been the city's most rich and powerful he wasted no time in killing, remembering that the rulers he had left behind after conquering the Tangut and Ruzhen had betrayed him soon after his army had withdrawn.

In other words, those who were the most rich rich and powerful in the city were killed immediately 'cause of a past experience.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Then I want you to quote me where the Muslims were called savages. Muslims never commited the attrocities that the Mongols and the Crusaders did.

One word: Sudan.

 

[Zero Cool]

Don't ignore my points. If you cannot refute my points, then say so instead of relyin' on extraneous points.

Extraneous points? I think not. Everything I stated was directly related to or contained in the topic. You stated "the Muslim army hands down", you then changed your mind. Case Closed.

 

[Yahya]

One word: Sudan.

Topic = The Islamic Empire


And offcourse, the Sudan conflict is complicated. The conflict in (south) Sudan and the majority of the deaths have been the result of political, factional and ethnic rivalry within Sudan organisations and ethnic groups themselves. There is no genocide or "ethnic cleansing". it's just a myth propagated by the Christian missionaries.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Genghis Khan died in 1227 & from them on the Mongol Empire & it's peoples were never the same. Without their military & spiritual leader, the Mongols principles became lost.

It was under the rule of Genghis Khan that the Mongols acheived their greatest feats & it is during his reign that, IMO, the Mongols were one of the best armies in world history.

Topic= The Mongol Empire under Genghis Khan

Quote:
If you want to take your pick of times throughout history, then Muslims were 'savages', Germans were 'savages', the English were savages, the Romans were 'savages'.

Throughout history, there is not one race of people who could not be called 'savage'.


Then I want you to quote me where the Muslims were called savages. Muslims never commited the attrocities that the Mongols and the Crusaders did.

I told you that you were picking times to please your ends & said that anyone could do that. You challenged me to - I did.

So either you allow Sudan into the argument, or you retract your statements that do not involve the Mongols under the rule of Genghis Khan.

There is no genocide or "ethnic cleansing". it's just a myth propagated by the Christian missionaries.

 

[Glockmatic]

the concept of "dhimmi" in muslim countries at that time (and until recent history) can also be called 'savage'. A christian man kills a muslim, he is put to death. A muslim man kills a christian, no penalty.

 

[Yahya]

Topic= The Mongol Empire under Genghis Khan

Indeed but when I refer to the Islamic Empire, I always mention the Caliphate. Could you point out a present-day Islamic Empire? There is no Caliphate, only Muslim states.

I told you that you were picking times to please your ends & said that anyone could do that. You challenged me to - I did.

The Islamic Empire and the Mongol Empire both existed at the same time. I'm not pickin' times, -in fact. Where did I even mention any other time-period apart from the Medieval period when referrin' to the Islamic Empire.

So either you allow Sudan into the argument, or you retract your statements that do not involve the Mongols under the rule of Genghis Khan.

My friend, I'd be more than happy to discuss the situation of Sudan with you. Create a new topic and we'll discuss the topic. I've proven beyond doubt that the Mongols (prior to their conversion of Islam) were savages. And not even one of you provided a reputable source that refutes that statement.

the concept of "dhimmi" in muslim countries at that time (and until recent history) can also be called 'savage'. A christian man kills a muslim, he is put to death. A muslim man kills a christian, no penalty.

Lovely isn't it. Googlin' for propaganda statements? But it's all good. I've discussed that subect on other forums. Create a new topic and we'll discuss in in-depth.

 

[Glockmatic]

Lovely isn't it. Googlin' for propaganda statements? But it's all good. I've discussed that subect on other forums. Create a new topic and we'll discuss in in-depth.

actually i lightly studied islam in philosophy class years ago, and dhimmi stuck out

 

[Yahya]

actually i lightly studied islam in philosophy class years ago, and dhimmi stuck out

Create a new topic please and we'll discuss it in-depth.

Thank you

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

The Islamic Empire and the Mongol Empire both existed at the same time. I'm not pickin' times, -in fact. Where did I even mention any other time-period apart from the Medieval period when referrin' to the Islamic Empire.

I was referring to your use of dates by which time Genghis Khan was long dead. I also said earlier, that Timur was a poor excuse for a Mongol leader given his actions.

You seem to want to bring everything back to Muslims - probably because this is where your strength lies.

My friend, I'd be more than happy to discuss the situation of Sudan with you. Create a new topic and we'll discuss the topic. I've proven beyond doubt that the Mongols (prior to their conversion of Islam) were savages. And not even one of you provided a reputable source that refutes that statement.

You have ducked what I said. Sudan must be allowed into the argument if you want to use post-Genghis Khan examples.

You haven't proved anything except you see Muslims through rose-tinted spectacles & that Timur was a ruthless leader - something which I always agreed with.

 

[Khaled]

this thread has gone astray big times.
A lot of ppl hating on islam: everybody has his own opinions, I didn't hear anyone wondering why some ppl claimed the Romans or the Greeks had the greatest armies. But when the muslim empire came up, everybody was all out, and some of you even sound offended.

 

[Chronic]

this thread has gone astray big times.
A lot of ppl hating on islam: everybody has his own opinions, I didn't hear anyone wondering why some ppl claimed the Romans or the Greeks had the greatest armies. But when the muslim empire came up, everybody was all out, and some of you even sound offended.

I think it's because they think Yahya said the Muslim army because he's a Muslim. Wouldn't you say that was obvious? Wouldn't you say it's obvious they're not hating on Islam but rather on Yahya as an individual? I would.
I don't think I've seen one person on this board that hates a religion, they just dislike some of the religious people.

 

[groobz]

One word: Sudan.

and another : east timor

best special forces,, hrmmm SAS.

 

[devils_advok8]

I think it's because they think Yahya said the Muslim army because he's a Muslim. Wouldn't you say that was obvious? Wouldn't you say it's obvious they're not hating on Islam but rather on Yahya as an individual? I would.
I don't think I've seen one person on this board that hates a religion, they just dislike some of the religious people.

Acutally, I've seen alot of people who hate on Islam and come up with links just to prove it wrong.Personally, I got no problem with that, but the hate surrounding this particular subject disgusts me.Y'all can hate on Yahya, lol I dont even think he cares, but he never failed to impress me, I dont remember him losing one debate, always comes up with links and shuts all those offending Islam and anything related with links and knowledge.I didnt see you guys flip when feichen said she thought the IDF was the best army.
And yes, I think the Muslim Army was great, too.Remember Saladdin, Khaled bin Al-Waleed, Omar bin Al Khattab, etc.If I knew much about the subject, I would've joined the debate, but I dont.So I'll just leave it to Yahya, he's doing pretty good so far.

 

[napo4life]

cant pick one because they where all great during there own time

 

[hussain4891]

There where many great armys throughout history the romans, greeks etc the islamic army was also one of the greatest but as as soon as its mentioned we see the usual people jumping on it but Yahya doing his usual job of refuting and schooling a lot of these kids.

 

[Zero Cool]

I think it's because they think Yahya said the Muslim army because he's a Muslim. Wouldn't you say that was obvious? Wouldn't you say it's obvious they're not hating on Islam but rather on Yahya as an individual? I would.
I don't think I've seen one person on this board that hates a religion, they just dislike some of the religious people.

Precisley :thumb:

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

the islamic army was also one of the greatest but as as soon as its mentioned we see the usual people jumping on it

This is bullshit.

 

[Zero Cool]

There where many great armys throughout history the romans, greeks etc the islamic army was also one of the greatest but as as soon as its mentioned we see the usual people jumping on it but Yahya doing his usual job of refuting and schooling a lot of these kids.

There is quite a difference between schooling unitelligents and posting lobsided information, such as Yahya often engages in.