Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey case, man confesses

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Man Confesses in JonBenet Ramsey Case

By RAYMOND BONNER
Published: August 17, 2006

An American schoolteacher arrested in Bangkok on Wednesday has confessed to killing 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey in 1996. But he told authorities and reporters there today that her death was “an accident” and that he loved the girl.

John Mark Karr was escorted from a news conference in Bangkok on Thursday by Thai and American authorities.

The admission was a stark new turn in an investigation that had stumped police for nearly a decade, marked by intense news-media attention and by suspicions that her parents may have been involved in the crime.

The teacher — John Mark Karr, a divorced 41-year-old father of three — told Thai police that he had not meant to kill JonBenet and that his intention was to kidnap her and demand a ransom of $118,000, according to Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul, the head of the Thai immigration police. General Suwat spoke at a news conference in Bangkok this afternoon along with other Thai and American officials.

“He said he was in love with the child,” General Suwat said of Mr. Karr.

Wearing a light blue golf shirt buttoned to the neck and pleated khaki trousers, Mr. Karr appeared briefly at the news conference but did not speak. Afterwards, he told a crowd of reporters, “I was with JonBenet when she died,” and added that her death was “an accident.”

Ann Hurst, an official with the United States Department of Homeland Security who spoke at the Bangkok press conference, said Mr. Karr has been “very cooperative” with the authorities.

American officials said that Mr. Karr’s arrest was mainly the work of American immigration and customs officers based at the United States Embassy in Bangkok, with support from the Thai immigration police.

Mr. Karr has been charged in Boulder, Colo., with murder, kidnapping and sexual assault in the case.

One American official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of a continuing criminal investigation, cautioned against jumping too swiftly to the conclusion that someone who has confessed to a crime did in fact commit it. The official pointed out that it is not unusual in notorious cases, as the Ramsey case has surely become, for people to falsely claim that they committed the crime, basing their confessions on what they have read in the newspaper.

Even so, the official said, Mr. Karr “certainly knows a lot about it.” The official declined to provide any more details.

Mr. Karr’s former wife, Lara Karr, told KGO-TV in San Francisco on Wednesday that while the couple was still married, her husband spent considerable time researching the Ramsey case and another notorious child murder case, that of Polly Klaas, who was abducted and killed in Petaluma, Calif., in 1993.

Ms. Karr said that she and Mr. Karr were in Alabama together on Dec. 25, 1996, the day JonBenet Ramsey was murdered in Colorado.

In 2001, the Karrs and their three sons were living in Petaluma, and Mr. Karr was working as a substitute teacher, when he was arrested and charged with five counts of possessing child pornography, according to KGO-TV and The Associated Press. He failed to appear in court to answer the charges, and has apparently been a fugitive since then.

Ms. Karr divorced him the same year.

A Sonoma County deputy district attorney confirmed to the A.P. that an arrest warrant for John M. Karr was outstanding in the child pornography case, though she could not say for certain that it was for the same man who was taken into custody in Bangkok.

The Associated Press reported that there were indications that Mr. Karr, after fleeing Petaluma in 2001, may have spent time in Europe and Central America as a teacher or child-care worker. The agency quoted Mr. Karr’s father as saying he had not heard from Mr. Karr in several years.

Before he was linked to the Ramsey case, Mr. Karr had already come to the attention of American law enforcement officials in Thailand as part of a broader investigation into Americans who travel to Southeast Asian countries and engage in pedophilia-related activities, an American official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

Mr. Karr entered Thailand most recently on June 6, traveling from Malaysia. No information was immediately available on what he was doing in Malaysia or how long he had been there. He had previously visited Thailand at least three times.

American and Thai officials went to Mr. Karr’s apartment today and carted away bags of evidence, including his computer, American officials said.

The JonBenet Ramsey case began when her parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, telephoned police to report her missing and apparently kidnapped. The police found a 370-word ransom note, written with a pen and paper from the Ramseys’ house, that contained details that police concluded only someone close to the Ramseys would know. But they found no evidence of forced entry at the family house.

Hours later, when a detective arrived at the house, Mr. Ramsey went into the basement and came out carrying his daughter’s body, and the case became one of murder.

Suspicion quickly fell on the parents, prompting them to appear on national television and deny any involvement in the crime.

The Ramseys later moved back to the Atlanta area, where they had lived when JonBenet was born; JonBenet and her mother are buried there.

Mr. Karr also once lived in the Atlanta suburbs, but it was not clear whether he had ever come into contact with the Ramseys there. JonBenet was an infant when the Ramseys left Georgia for Colorado.

Over the years, as the investigation dragged on without resolution and the news media followed every development, the Boulder police came under severe criticism. Eventually, the police chief and one detective were forced to resign over the handling of the case.

According to accounts today in the Rocky Mountain News and Denver Post, Boulder law enforcement officials began to focus on Mr. Karr in recent months because of e-mail exchanges Mr. Karr had with Michael Tracey, a journalism professor at the University of Colorado. Mr. Tracey had made several documentaries about the case that challenged the work of the police and the public’s rush to blame the Ramseys for their daughter’s death.

Mr. Tracey alerted private detectives hired by the Ramsey family about the correspondence with Mr. Karr, and they encouraged him to remain in contact with Mr. Karr, the newspaper reported. A spokesman for the university confirmed to the A.P. that Mr. Tracey had corresponded with Mr. Karr over several months, and said Mr. Tracey alerted the police about the matter.

After Boulder officials spoke to Mr. Tracey in June, the 10-year-old investigation began to move rapidly.

As they closed in on Mr. Karr, Boulder authorities notified Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey about the developments. Mrs. Ramsey died in June of ovarian cancer.

“Had she lived to see this day,” Mr. Ramsey said in a statement on Wednesday, she “would no doubt have been as pleased as I am.”

Boulder County prosecutors scheduled a news conference on the case for 10 a.m. Mountain time (noon Eastern time) today. Mr. Karr is likely to be returned to the United States within a few days, American officials said; Thai authorities are expected simply to expel him from the country, rather than conduct a formal extradition process, which could take months.

General Suwat of the Thai immigration police said Mr. Karr’s visa has been revoked on the grounds that he is an “undesirable person.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/17/world/18ramsey.ready.html?ref=asia

now maybe if the cops hadn't gotten tunnel vision and focused all their attention on the parents, this case could have been solved years ago. and for anyone who is unfamiliar with the murder and is interested, here's a good history of the whole case and investigation
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/ramsey/index_1.html
 
this is still sort of weird because his ex wife is saying something about how he was in GA at the time with family and there are pictures to prove it. still he admitted to it but its still odd.

sick fucker though, i wonder what went wrong in the kidnapping attempt
 
well i want to try not to jump to conclusions here and assume they got the guy who did it just yet. a confession, as most people know isn't always reliable. still, i've always known that the police had made a huge mistake in putting all their investigative efforts into looking at the parents and no one else. there were hair and fibers (a pubic hair no less) that were found at the scene and on the body that didn't come from anyone in the house, and yet the police did nothing about it, they never even tested the hair until years later. i hope this guy really is the guy and the family (although a little too late for Patsy) can finally get on with their lives
 
I think it's extradorinary that they actually have an apparent suspect. Now weither he did it, is still yet to be proven of course. Like Puff said, his ex-wife said he was in another state at the time, they need to get the DNA staightened out, but they did get a convicted sex-offender away from teaching 2nd graders in Thailand.
 
I followed this case when it happened... Dunno why but it always interested me since evryone at my old job at the time always talked about it..

Like Puff said, its pretty weird that his ex-wife said that they were together the day of the murder.. Pretty hard to take a flight to Colarado and back without anyone knowing.. especially on Christmas Day.. Pretty odd.. I think they have a DNA sample from the murder scene, so that will basically be the nail in the coffin if it matches his.

Cant wait to see what Nancy Grace says about it later! :eek:
 
another strange thing is he says he "accidentlly" killed her. well she was strangled and had some serious head injuries right? well you dont accidentlly strangle a person and brutally beat them to death.

if he drugged her like he claims, then why were there no drugs found in her body in the autopsy?

this is going to be one hell of a crazy case, lost of questions that need to be answered. i am very skeptical about him being the killer the more i read reports on this. i will only believe he is the killer if his dna matches.
 
I don't think that this guy did it. Why he's confessing, I don't know, but it doesn't make sense to me.

That's all this case needs, more controversy.
 
This is all confusing, so many controversial statements so far. Just take his fuckin DNA sample already and get it over with cause nothing else is making sense.
 
PuffnScruff said:
another strange thing is he says he "accidentlly" killed her. well she was strangled and had some serious head injuries right? well you dont accidentlly strangle a person and brutally beat them to death.

if he drugged her like he claims, then why were there no drugs found in her body in the autopsy?

this is going to be one hell of a crazy case, lost of questions that need to be answered. i am very skeptical about him being the killer the more i read reports on this. i will only believe he is the killer if his dna matches.

thought the exact same thing, how did he do it by accident? and im also not convinced he did it, i thought maybe hes bullshitting, some ppl are sick fuckers. i guess we'll see
 
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psychics sketch of the killer from 98. i dont buy into this stuff usually but this is pretty amazing
 
This i pretty big right now over here, it seems like this is all people are talking about. All the righteous people are like thank god, kill him, blah blah. So many loose ends still, I seriously hope he doesnt get tried in Colorado, would be way unfair.
 
Aristotle said:
This i pretty big right now over here, it seems like this is all people are talking about. All the righteous people are like thank god, kill him, blah blah. So many loose ends still, I seriously hope he doesnt get tried in Colorado, would be way unfair.
maybe now people in Colorado can finally start to believe that John and Patsy Ramsey were innocent all along. whether this guy is guilty or not, at least now the police are actually looking at other suspects. i've been reading a lot the past couple of days about how this case was handled, and it's absolutely ridiculous how bad the Boulder P.D. bungled this case in an effort to make the parents look guilty, even though there was never any real credible evidence against them. at one point Patsy actually begged the district attorney to charge her with murder so she could have her day in court and be vindicated. i don't think i've ever seen a worse case of the media and police convicting a suspect or suspects in the public eye without ever setting foot in court. this case disgusts me, everything about it from the actual murder, to the investigation and the press coverage, and now all this confusion. i don't think JonBenet will ever really rest in peace.
 
this shit gets weirder by the day. i wont post the entire article since it is really long but i will post some snippets and the link if you want to read the whole thing

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060820/D8JK983G0.html

"John Mark Karr, the suspect in the death of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey, sipped champagne and ate fried king prawns in business class Sunday after being put aboard a flight to Los Angeles to face charges in the United States.

As Karr wined and dined in style and chatted with the three U.S. officials escorting him, another bombshell emerged: Reports that Karr sought treatment at a Thai sex-change clinic.

Just hours before Karr's departure, a doctor at a seedy but popular clinic in downtown Bangkok specializing in sex-change surgery said Karr had come in for treatment.

"He was one of my patients," Dr. Thep Vechavisit of the Pratunam Polyclinic said. He refused to provide further details."

well, i see he is being treated very well
 
PuffnScruff said:
this shit gets weirder by the day. i wont post the entire article since it is really long but i will post some snippets and the link if you want to read the whole thing

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060820/D8JK983G0.html

"John Mark Karr, the suspect in the death of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey, sipped champagne and ate fried king prawns in business class Sunday after being put aboard a flight to Los Angeles to face charges in the United States.

As Karr wined and dined in style and chatted with the three U.S. officials escorting him, another bombshell emerged: Reports that Karr sought treatment at a Thai sex-change clinic.

Just hours before Karr's departure, a doctor at a seedy but popular clinic in downtown Bangkok specializing in sex-change surgery said Karr had come in for treatment.

"He was one of my patients," Dr. Thep Vechavisit of the Pratunam Polyclinic said. He refused to provide further details."

well, i see he is being treated very well
wow, you gotta love that. 2 parents who just lost their daughter, who have never been convicted of a single crime in their entire lives, get treated as guilty and looked down on as dirt for years for a crime they didn't commit, and this sick fuckin pedophile, who has been a wanted fugitive since 2001, gets the royal treatment? Patsy must be rolling in her grave right now, and i don't even want to know what John must be thinking hearing all this
 
well JOHN said he didnt want any one to jump to conclusions or pass judgement
fuck that fruitcake john mark
wait why have they started usin his middle name too?
 

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