Are you blind, Chistians

[Glockmatic]

This is retarded. You pick the sources that are your point of view, if something is brought up the only reply is "that stuff is wrong, scientists are liars and make things up". If you think that we appeared 6000 years ago, fine. Just realize that you're ignoring 99% of all scientists in the world

 

[W210]

This is retarded. You pick the sources that are your point of view, if something is brought up the only reply is "that stuff is wrong, scientists are liars and make things up". If you think that we appeared 6000 years ago, fine. Just realize that you're ignoring 99% of all scientists in the world

That may be partly in fact that it is almost impossible to be a scientist that doesnt believe in evolution. They wont allow it.

And whats the difference between me picking my sources and you picking yours.


Lets just shorten all this: DO YOU HAVE PROOF OF EVOLUTION?

If you do I would recommend you go here http://www.drdino.com/articles.php?spec=67 and collect your $250,000 because no one else on the face of the earth ever has. You believing in somthing with no proof makes it a belief or even a religion. You dont believe in God so why cant I not believe in evolution??

Does your not believing in God make you some kind of moron?? Not in my opinion, even though I do. Just because other people dont believe what I do, I dont consider them idiots. Think about it. And go get some proof, if you wanna shut me up, prove Im wrong.

 

[Glockmatic]

If you do I would recommend you go here http://www.drdino.com/articles.php?spec=67 and collect your $250,000 because no one else on the face of the earth ever has. You believing in somthing with no proof makes it a belief or even a religion. You dont believe in God so why cant I not believe in evolution??

The challenge is flawed and impossible, even "dr.dino" said so himself

(David = call in, Hovind = Dr.Dino)

David: So you think that the the theory of evolution denies a deity all together, like it actually is incorporated in the theory?

Hovind: No, not necessarily...

David: (interrupts) Then why do you have it in your challenge? You have that written in your challenge.

Hovind: Well because, like I said, it's my challenge I can make it anyway I want...

http://tinyurl.com/zxlhd mp3 of it.

The theory of evolution does not say that god doesn't exist, yes there are people who believe in evolution and don't believe in god, but that is their own personal belief. It may go against your religious beliefs that god created man as he is, but once again i state, the theory of evolution does not disprove god. To disprove a diety one would have to be omnipotent, aka a god. Also I wouldn't trust a guy who calls himself a doctor by getting a bachelors degree in "religious teaching" through correspondents from an unaccredited college and he was recently (july 13th 2006) arrested and indicted on 58 charges ranging from tax evasion to threatening IRS investigators.

even other creationists have criticized him

http://www.answersingenesis.org/news/ross_hovind_analysis.asp
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp
http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/2571

Does your not believing in God make you some kind of moron?? Not in my opinion, even though I do. Just because other people dont believe what I do, I dont consider them idiots. Think about it. And go get some proof, if you wanna shut me up, prove Im wrong.

but we're not discussing evolution, we're discussing the age of the earth. My disbelief of god has nothing to do with the age of the earth, scientific fact proves the earth is older than 6000 years old. I can't prove a person who doesn't accept facts wrong because they live in their own world.

 

[W210]

The challenge is flawed and impossible, even "dr.dino" said so himself

(David = call in, Hovind = Dr.Dino)

David: So you think that the the theory of evolution denies a deity all together, like it actually is incorporated in the theory?

Hovind: No, not necessarily...

David: (interrupts) Then why do you have it in your challenge? You have that written in your challenge.

Hovind: Well because, like I said, it's my challenge I can make it anyway I want...

http://tinyurl.com/zxlhd mp3 of it.

Dont know what this has to do with anything, the reason its not fair is because that evolution has never and will never be provon. Which is the point that I am getting across. But everyone acts like it has been proven beyond any doubt, which of course is ridiculous.

but we're not discussing evolution, we're discussing the age of the earth. My disbelief of god has nothing to do with the age of the earth, scientific fact proves the earth is older than 6000 years old. I can't prove a person who doesn't accept facts wrong because they live in their own world.

There you go with proof again. There is no scientific fact that proves anything regarding evolution. And anyone that thinks so is living in their own world.

 

[Glockmatic]

Dont know what this has to do with anything, the reason its not fair is because that evolution has never and will never be provon. Which is the point that I am getting across. But everyone acts like it has been proven beyond any doubt, which of course is ridiculous.

The person who made up the challenge you linked has said that it is IMPOSSIBLE to do his challenge and it is flawed because his challenge has the added rule of DISPROVING GOD. You cannot disprove god with evolution because evolution does not say there is no god. Understand?

There you go with proof again. There is no scientific fact that proves anything regarding evolution. And anyone that thinks so is living in their own world.

YOU'RE BRINGING UP EVOLUTION AGAIN. THIS ISN'T ABOUT EVOLUTION ITS ABOUT THE AGE OF THE EARTH.

 

[W210]

The person who made up the challenge you linked has said that it is IMPOSSIBLE to do his challenge and it is flawed because his challenge has the added rule of DISPROVING GOD. You cannot disprove god with evolution because evolution does not say there is no god. Understand?

His challenge has nothing to do with disproving God. Look at the webpage.

YOU'RE BRINGING UP EVOLUTION AGAIN. THIS ISN'T ABOUT EVOLUTION ITS ABOUT THE AGE OF THE EARTH.

Ok, let me rephrase it. THERE IS NO PROOF OF THE EARTH BEING BILLIONS OF YEARS OLD. If there is show me, and every other scientist, that have been trying to prove it for the last 130 years.

 

[Glockmatic]

When I use the word evolution, I am not referring to the minor variations found in all of the various life forms (microevolution). I am referring to the general theory of evolution which believes these five major events took place without God:

1. Time, space, and matter came into existence by themselves.
2. Planets and stars formed from space dust.
3. Matter created life by itself.
4. Early life-forms learned to reproduce themselves.
5. Major changes occurred between these diverse life forms (i.e., fish changed to amphibians, amphibians changed to reptiles, and reptiles changed to birds or mammals).

Ok, let me rephrase it. THERE IS NO PROOF OF THE EARTH BEING BILLIONS OF YEARS OLD. If there is show me, and every other scientist, that have been trying to prove it for the last 130 years

there is proof, you just choose to ignore them

 

[Jokerman]

Do you mean that god hasn't said the earth is billions of years old and evolution is true? Then you're right, we have no proof, since that's the only proof you recognize.

(I wish I could join this debate more but absolutely no time these past weeks. Keep this thread going ya'll and I'll be back about a month. It's hilarious, actually)

 

[W210]

there is proof, you just choose to ignore them

No there never has and never will be, you just choose to ignore this fact.

 

[W210]

Do you mean that god hasn't said the earth is billions of years old and evolution is true? Then you're right, we have no proof, since that's the only proof you recognize.

(I wish I could join this debate more but absolutely no time these past weeks. Keep this thread going ya'll and I'll be back about a month. It's hilarious, actually)

Any scientist on the face of the earth knows that scientifically there is no proof.

 

[Glockmatic]

No there never has and never will be, you just choose to ignore this fact.

I've posted proof, you retort with "well OTHER scientific studies show they're 1 million to 140 billion years old!" when you don't even show a source for that.

Any scientist on the face of the earth knows that scientifically there is no proof.

if thats what your propagandist tells you...

 

[W210]

I've posted proof, you retort with "well OTHER scientific studies show they're 1 million to 140 billion years old!" when you don't even show a source for that.

You have never posted proof, mostly because none has ever been found. You have posted some evidence, and refutable evidence at that. And I have posted evidence as well , I was just to lazy to reply to your refutals, And Im not going to be online this weekend but Ill try and find that source again.

 

[Glockmatic]

refutable by whom? People who call themselves doctor because they did a course over the mail at some unknown college? Look at scientific journals and magazines in the past 50 years, none have arguments about the age of the earth anymore, go to the worlds best universities and you will find no debates on the subject. The only people who are questioning something so concrete as the age of the earth are people who take a book so literally that they believe everything in it

 

[Sebastian]

Sometimes i wonder why people argue about certain things. I mean in this case its not even debatable that the earth is billions of years old. People who dont want to accept it are so hard-headed/blind that i would immediately lose my interest in continuing to debate.

 

[W210]

Sometimes i wonder why people argue about certain things. I mean in this case its not even debatable that the earth is billions of years old. People who dont want to accept it are so hard-headed/blind that i would immediately lose my interest in continuing to debate.

You are free to believe whatever you wish, but you are wrong.

 

[W210]

refutable by whom? People who call themselves doctor because they did a course over the mail at some unknown college? Look at scientific journals and magazines in the past 50 years, none have arguments about the age of the earth anymore, go to the worlds best universities and you will find no debates on the subject. The only people who are questioning something so concrete as the age of the earth are people who take a book so literally that they believe everything in it

Thats because everything written in them is one sided. You want to talk about ignoring facts...

 

[Glockmatic]

The other side has no "facts", every argument they bring up is refuted. I'm also waiting for that source of the 1 million - 140 billion year old rock you keep bringing up

 

[Hymnz]

i do not respect people who are non-believers simply because they take "science over god". the two are co-existant.
those who believe in god are not afraid of science because (since god created everything) science was created by god.
einstein was a believer, and look at his contribution to science.
i think it was he who said that god wanted us to find out as much as we could, and therefore god made physics the way it is. just about everything can be calculated and predicted...

 

[W210]

The other side has no "facts", every argument they bring up is refuted. I'm also waiting for that source of the 1 million - 140 billion year old rock you keep bringing up

The "other side" does have facts, and we refute every argument that you bring up.
And I dont keep bringing up that source, I mentioned it one time when talking about how ridiculously innaccurate the dating methods used to claim billions of years from the earth. I havent had time to try and find it, if you are in a hurry, look for it yourself, its on one or more of the hundreds of various sites talking about dating inaccuracies.

 

[Glockmatic]

I'm not going to do the work you should be doing in this argument. You seem to have a lot of time replying to 2 posts, you should have enough time to get your sources