Are you blind, Chistians

[Illuminattile]

And I think in Job there is somthing about God killing off the dinosaurs, Ill have to check on that though.

A "behemoth" is described in Job, but to say that it refers to the dinosaurs is a huge stretch.

 

[W210]

A "behemoth" is described in Job, but to say that it refers to the dinosaurs is a huge stretch.

Read it for yourself. It is describing the behemoth as having legs like tree trunks, and having a real long neck, I cant remember what else it says but it is clear to me anyways thats what the Bible is referring too.

But what I was referring too, God says somthing like he made these powerful animals and he can also take the sword to them. Which makes you think that He had somthing to do with their extinction

 

[Glockmatic]

There is a bunch of evidence to support it. Moreso than the earth being a billion years old, the reason thats taught so much is because evonlutionists need that much time to support their side. One thing I can think of right off the top of my head is the decay of the moons orbit. They have been measuring the decay for years and it is consistant, and they did the math and if the earth is as old as they say it is they the moon would be overlapping with the earth.

Distance of the Moon from Earth = 239,000 miles = 15,143,040,000 inches
15,143,040,000 inches / 1.5 inches per year = 10 billion years

Oh, another thing is the rotation of the earth is slowing down, I guess at a rate that they can measure, and if you do the math on that one, a billion years ago or however, the earth would be spinning so fast that everythin on it would be thrown off, and the earth wouldnt be round it would have flattend out like a pancake.

Fossil rugose corals preserve daily and yearly growth patterns and show that the day was about 22 hours long 370 million years ago, in rough agreement with the 22.7 hours predicted from a constant rate of slowing (Scrutton 1964; Wells 1963).

370 million years later = +2 hours.

There is more but thats all I can remember right now. Most of the information that we get on age is from carbon dating, which is known to be heavily flawed. They dated living snails to be 12,000 years old.

snails make their shells out of sand/minerals, therefore when testing their shells they're testing the minerals/sand

 

[Glockmatic]

Read it for yourself. It is describing the behemoth as having legs like tree trunks, and having a real long neck, I cant remember what else it says but it is clear to me anyways thats what the Bible is referring too.

But what I was referring too, God says somthing like he made these powerful animals and he can also take the sword to them. Which makes you think that He had somthing to do with their extinction

You're taking the bible and fitting its meaning into modern day. It says its tail swayed like cedar (didn't say how big a cedar, could've been a twig) and it layed in the reeds of the river. My guess is that it was an elephant (anyone who wants to read it its Book of Job 40:15)

 

[Flipmo]

Behemoth (whci is suppost to be a brachiosaurus) has the following attributes according to Job 40: 15-24

It eats grass like an ox

It “moves his tail like a cedar.” (In Hebrew, this literally reads, he lets hang his tail like a cedar.)

Its bones are like beams of bronze his ribs like bars of iron.

“He is the first of the ways of God.” (This in hebrew apperently means, it was the biggest animal created by God)

He lies under the lotus trees,
In a covert of reeds and marsh.

Also, Tanniyn (which is suppost to be a dragon/dinosaur) is brought up in the bible and the Leviathan (which is suppost to be a kronosaurus) ..

 

[Glockmatic]

- It “eats grass like an ox.”

many animals eat grass

- It “moves his tail like a cedar.” (In Hebrew, this literally reads, “he lets hang his tail like a cedar.”)

moves LIKE a cedar, not the size of a cidar

- Its “bones are like beams of bronze,
- His ribs like bars of iron.”

sounds like an ancient description of an elephant

- “He lies under the lotus trees,
In a covert of reeds and marsh.”

This marsh would have to be so deep for a Brachiosaurus to lie covert in it, it wouldn't even be a marsh and wouldn't support reeds or "lotus trees"

 

[Flipmo]

Hey, I'm not denying the fact it could be an elephant. I'm just putting down some of the info.

In the end, I just say respect each other's choice, if it would be faith in a God, or having faith in science.

I hate it when people try to impose their views.

 

[Glockmatic]

well i hate it when people deny science, and saying the earth is 10,000 years old NEEDS to be refuted

 

[Flipmo]

That's still a choice to believe in. Unless it's a class exam, the person in question will surely answer the question which he was taught to answer, but that doesn't mean he believes it.

Keep in mind, they do date Dinosaur bones milions of years no? but most of them are Carbon dated which give only thousands of years old.
There was an Allosaurus bone which was alledged to be dated about 120 Million years old about, but it was only carbon dated at about 13 thousand years old.

Is this any proof that the world is only 20 000 years old? Not really, but it proves that both religion and science has its flaws and contradiction.

If anything, we can talk about 'Gap Theory' which is the idea that between Genesis 1:1 - 1:2, Millions or Billions of years had passed.

In the end, this is an on going debate which will never lead to an answer, because theories and ideas will continue to step up and receive some light on the issue.

 

[Glockmatic]

Keep in mind, they do date Dinosaur bones milions of years no? but most of them are Carbon dated which give only thousands of years old.

There was an Allosaurus bone which was alledged to be dated about 120 Million years old about, but it was only carbon dated at about 13 thousand years old.

radiocarbon dating can only date something to 40,000 years because carbon-14 (the thing they test for) decays slowly. They wouldn't carbon date dinosaur bones because minerals have taken place of the living tissue so there would be no carbon left.

If anything, we can talk about 'Gap Theory' which is the idea that between Genesis 1:1 - 1:2, Millions or Billions of years had passed.

Thats a modern theory invented after the discovery of the earths age by scientists

In the end, this is an on going debate which will never lead to an answer, because theories and ideas will continue to step up and receive some light on the issue.

we don't debate 2+2 = 4, we shouldn't debate the age of the earth

 

[Illuminattile]

Read it for yourself. It is describing the behemoth as having legs like tree trunks, and having a real long neck

And what about all the dinosaurs that don't have legs like tree trunks? Or real long necks? What about all the carnivores? Why didn't God mention any of them?

 

[W210]

many animals eat grass



moves LIKE a cedar, not the size of a cidar



sounds like an ancient description of an elephant



This marsh would have to be so deep for a Brachiosaurus to lie covert in it, it wouldn't even be a marsh and wouldn't support reeds or "lotus trees"

It also says in verse 40 "He takes it with his eyes: his nose pierces through snares". and elephants dont have a nose to speak of, they have a trunk

 

[W210]

well i hate it when people deny science, and saying the earth is 10,000 years old NEEDS to be refuted

This is science.

Scientist today can go out and make measurements an calculations on the information that they have. For example.

There is a certain amount of meteoric dust, that the earth and the moon accumulate, at an essentially constant rate, if the earth is indeed 5 billion years old like evolutionist insist, then there would be a layer of it 182 feet thick. Nasa was worried about this, but worries proved unwarrented when we landed on the moon and measured a layer only an eighth of an inch.


Another evidence for a young earth is provided by the small amount of helium in todays atmosphere. Evolutionist think that the radioactive decay processes of uranium and thoruim that produce helium have been occurring in the earths crust for billions of years. But if this was true there would be much more than the 1 part in 200,000 of helium.
Helium cannont escape through the atmosphere like hydrogen does and to add to this it is probable that helium is actually entering the atmosphere by means of the suns corona. Calculations on available figures is that to get the amount of helium through natural alpha decay is approximately 10,000 years.

There is more too, but im tired of typing.

 

[Glockmatic]

It also says in verse 40 "He takes it eith his eyes: his nose pierces through snares". and elephants dont have a nose to speak of, they have a trunk

an elephant breathes and smells through its trunk, therefore its a nose

 

[W210]

And what about all the dinosaurs that don't have legs like tree trunks? Or real long necks? What about all the carnivores? Why didn't God mention any of them?

Why didnt he mention the thousands of other animals, He was humbling Job, and I think he made his point.

and what about the leviathan?
http://www.gennet.org/facts/nessie.html
???? who knows

 

[W210]

an elephant breathes and smells through its trunk, therefore its a nose

Ok but when have you ever seen an elephant move his tail like a cedar? There are 5 or 6 other verses in the Bible that refer to a cedar tree being very substantial. Not like the tiny tail an elephant has.

 

[W210]

All Im sayin is, guys, dont believe somthing just because that is what you have heard from secular scientists. There is 2 sides to every story. Look at the evidence for yourselves before you make a decision. For me the evidence is pretty one sided.

 

[Glockmatic]

This is science.

Scientist today can go out and make measurements an calculations on the information that they have. For example.

There is a certain amount of meteoric dust, that the earth and the moon accumulate, at an essentially constant rate, if the earth is indeed 5 billion years old like evolutionist insist, then there would be a layer of it 182 feet thick. Nasa was worried about this, but worries proved unwarrented when we landed on the moon and measured a layer only an eighth of an inch.

Many creationists bring up that point, but its flawed. The person who tested the dust (Hans Pettersson) went to the top of a mountain with a smog level detecting device and collected nickle particles in the air assuming it was meteoric. He concluded that 15 million tons of meteoric dust enters the earth every year. Fast forward a few years and scientists measure the dust again (this time, correctly) and through multiple tests they come up with 20,000 - 40,000 tons a year. The several hundred feet of dust? The earth creates millions of tons of dust a year just from corosion, space dust wouldn't effect anything.

The moon does not have its on corosion, so its only form of dust is through foreign sources and it only gets 840 tons a year because of its gravity. The moon has a layer of loose dust, but under that dust is rocks mixed with compacted dust. Nasa was not worried about how deep the dust was, they and the soviets had launched unmanned missions to the moon before, they knew what it was like way before they set foot on it. You shouldn't use the dust theory, even well known creationists dismiss it

Another evidence for a young earth is provided by the small amount of helium in todays atmosphere. Evolutionist think that the radioactive decay processes of uranium and thoruim that produce helium have been occurring in the earths crust for billions of years. But if this was true there would be much more than the 1 part in 200,000 of helium.
Helium cannont escape through the atmosphere like hydrogen does and to add to this it is probable that helium is actually entering the atmosphere by means of the suns corona. Calculations on available figures is that to get the amount of helium through natural alpha decay is approximately 10,000 years.

There is more too, but im tired of typing.

"Banks and Holzer (12) have shown that the polar wind can account for an escape of (2 to 4) x 106 ions/cm2 /sec of 4He, which is nearly identical to the estimated production flux of (2.5 +/- 1.5) x 106 atoms/cm2/sec. Calculations for 3He lead to similar results, i.e., a rate virtually identical to the estimated production flux. Another possible escape mechanism is direct interaction of the solar wind with the upper atmosphere during the short periods of lower magnetic-field intensity while the field is reversing. Sheldon and Kern (112) estimated that 20 geomagnetic-field reversals over the past 3.5 million years would have assured a balance between helium production and loss." ("How Old Is the Earth? A Reply to ``Scientific Creationism'' Dalrymple, G. Brent ).

Henry Morris (the man that wrote the book with all the theories you posted and on every creationist website) ignored science and processes in which to measure things to further his beliefs.

 

[Glockmatic]

Ok but when have you ever seen an elephant move his tail like a cedar? There are 5 or 6 other verses in the Bible that refer to a cedar tree being very substantial. Not like the tiny tail an elephant has.

the bible does not state the size of the cedar when describing the behemoth. Was it the size of a full grown tree? Was it a twig?

and what about the leviathan?
http://www.gennet.org/facts/nessie.html
???? who knows

the bible also says the leviathans eyes shot beams and breathed fire

 

[W210]

Man my heads hurtin from trying to understand all this.

Before I even type anything about the earths magnetic field why dont you copy and paste whatever you would refute my statement with so I can just focus on what you say, and Ill save myself the time it would take to type it all. I would appreciate it.