Anyone who has non-American ancestral ties...

[Synful*Luv]

Anyone who has Un-American ancestry ties...

no one ever supressed my ancestors. we were the supressors

seriously though, you can't apply your current rationality to things that happened decades and centuries ago. like, you say it bothers you that someone could go into someone's home etc etc. you can't think about it like they went into someone's home and describe what happened with poetic romance because what essentially happened was they were conquering in the name of their king and did what they probably believed to be absolutely right. i don't know if you're feeling bothered as in bitter or as in sad or as in annoyed, so i don't really know what to tell you, but if you're bitter or mad, i'll tell you you can't hold a grudge for something like this. not for the people who did it and not for their descendants. it's not fair because it's like being mad cause a child who was molested daily for fiteen years thinks this is normal. times were different. it's like holding a grudge cause cavemen beat eachother with clubs. now maybe it's more like it saddens you because it was such an evil thing to do. again i will stress that times were different, and evil is basically just an illustrative word that represents everything you don't want/like. this will differ from person to person, and will make some people able to do things that other people won't. look at it like this. if you seperate every human child born from this day henceforth, and release them on a different planet or in a continent-sized zoo where they have no contact with anything human or civilized, and let them find their own way through tens of thousands of years, do you think that world would grow up to be any different from our world? what most people would think of as an evil nature is actually a part of every human being. greed, jealousy. i don't think it always was, but it is now. things like this will always happen. there will always be bad people.

i don't really get why it would upset you. give me more insight.

I'm not upset at all, reread my post. But why is it that people think that just because something happened a long time ago it makes it okay. Why do we think it was okay for people to be savages hundreds of years ago but expect people to be so "civilized" and compassionate now? People were still people back then. I don't care who told them to do it, at some point you have to realize that torturing people is wrong. Not because society says so, but there should just be a gut feeling that lets you know that viciously torturing a person or animal is wrong.

 

[SicC]

The only thing that upsets me is people thinking Kobe Bryant is going to go back to his ball hog ways.

pz

 

[Flipmo]

Don't listen to Preach, his ancestors were the Vikings. As we all know, they didn't like to sit around and drink tea

 

[yak pac fatal]

im armenian, armenian genocide, turks murdered 1.5 mil armenians and they still deny it till this day, couple of weeks ago they murdered a famous armenian

 

[hizzle?]

Well now that I feel like typing i'm going to answer seriously to the question...

Bosnia-Herzegovina had 2 genocides in 50 years... Once by Germans, Serbian Fascists and Croatian Fascists (WW2) and the 2nd time was by Serbian Fascists and Croatian Fascists (1990-1995)...

I honestly have nothing against Germans (even my grand-grand-mother is german, but that doesnt make any difference)...

I have nothing against Croatians, since the Croatians helped Bosnia a lot (note the difference i make between Croatians and the Croatian governement)... Of course i have something against Croatian fascists, but they are a big time minority there now...

As for the Serbians... Honestly, I would like to feel like Bobby Sands feels about the English... but it's hard since the war ended 11-12 years ago... I mean the English relaised what they did, but the Serbians didn't...

I mean in Srebrenica, they killed 8 000 people in two days!!!! The ones who survived this genocide went on fucked in their head (take that Utah shooter as an exemple...he survived Srebrenica, and he went nuts)

When I meet a Serbian, I don't judge him at all, because I have this hope in my heart that he wasnt brainwashed by their Fascist governement... But, honestly, on 3 serbians I meet, 1 is normal... I mean just a few weeks ago a freaking fascist party had 33% of votes... Knowing that the leader of that party is in Den Haag being judged for war crimes... how do you think I should feel about the next Serbians I meet...

I talked a lot to FlipMo and we think about the same... When we meet a Serbian, we don't judge him at all, but it's easy to see after 5 minutes of talking to him what he may think about us being Bosnian/Croatian... Then we judge him and he insults us, we insult him back and another Balkan war starts.

 

[Pittsey]

It annoys me when people have problems with people because of something that happened 100+ years ago....

So the English conquered the world... Shouldn't have been such pussies then.... Do I hate the Romans or the Vikings? No.... I embrace the fact my ancestors were raped and pilleged and that they interupted the bloodline.... I don't even think about it until it's forced upon me in school, on TV or in books... So just think... If your ancestors weren't raped and killed you probably wouldn't be here today.

 

[Pittsey]

Anyone who has Un-American ancestry ties...

I'm not upset at all, reread my post. But why is it that people think that just because something happened a long time ago it makes it okay. Why do we think it was okay for people to be savages hundreds of years ago but expect people to be so "civilized" and compassionate now? People were still people back then. I don't care who told them to do it, at some point you have to realize that torturing people is wrong. Not because society says so, but there should just be a gut feeling that lets you know that viciously torturing a person or animal is wrong.

Because the person who done it 100's of years ago is long dead... They are not the same people alive now... I'm sure they didn't give birth to clones so will quite obviously be different now.

Are you a vegetarian? If not you are contributing to animal cruelty.. Well... They aren't considered animals, they are livestock... Personally, I think my burger tastes better if the cow was a little tortured.

 

[Preach]

Anyone who has Un-American ancestry ties...

Why do we think it was okay for people to be savages hundreds of years ago but expect people to be so "civilized" and compassionate now? People were still people back then. I don't care who told them to do it, at some point you have to realize that torturing people is wrong. Not because society says so, but there should just be a gut feeling that lets you know that viciously torturing a person or animal is wrong.

actually, you are wrong.

from the beginning, all beings have had a survival instinct. humans are basically a predatory race meaning we have hunted since the dawn of our species. it is in our very nature to kill. torture can be defined in various degrees.

our moral standards are the result of social evolution through thousands of years. in these days, there is so much focus on humanity that people forget that people and animals are supposed to die and such is the way of the universe. we think it's okay because you can't seriously expect someone who lacked four hundred years of social knowledge through practical learning to think like you do. compassion for another person's life is limited by how you value your own. and people who are suicidal or depressed can say that they care for others but not themselves, but such people are not healthy. they are ill in the head. take the vikings for example, they were taught that if they died in battle, they would go to vallhalla, then drink and fight for eternity. to them, it was honorable to die in battle. this was embedded in their brain from birth. don't some muslims still believe that if they die a martyr, they go to heaven where they get forty virgins? i'm ignorant on the subject but anyway, point remains.

 

[SicC]

this thread is a pile of shit, i new it would lead down this road of crying and bitching and who has suffered more than another.

Its like the bigger dick syndrom that George carlin spoke of.

pz

 

[S O F I]

Well now that I feel like typing i'm going to answer seriously to the question...

Bosnia-Herzegovina had 2 genocides in 50 years... Once by Germans, Serbian Fascists and Croatian Fascists (WW2) and the 2nd time was by Serbian Fascists and Croatian Fascists (1990-1995)...

I honestly have nothing against Germans (even my grand-grand-mother is german, but that doesnt make any difference)...

I have nothing against Croatians, since the Croatians helped Bosnia a lot (note the difference i make between Croatians and the Croatian governement)... Of course i have something against Croatian fascists, but they are a big time minority there now...

As for the Serbians... Honestly, I would like to feel like Bobby Sands feels about the English... but it's hard since the war ended 11-12 years ago... I mean the English relaised what they did, but the Serbians didn't...

I mean in Srebrenica, they killed 8 000 people in two days!!!! The ones who survived this genocide went on fucked in their head (take that Utah shooter as an exemple...he survived Srebrenica, and he went nuts)

When I meet a Serbian, I don't judge him at all, because I have this hope in my heart that he wasnt brainwashed by their Fascist governement... But, honestly, on 3 serbians I meet, 1 is normal... I mean just a few weeks ago a freaking fascist party had 33% of votes... Knowing that the leader of that party is in Den Haag being judged for war crimes... how do you think I should feel about the next Serbians I meet...

I talked a lot to FlipMo and we think about the same... When we meet a Serbian, we don't judge him at all, but it's easy to see after 5 minutes of talking to him what he may think about us being Bosnian/Croatian... Then we judge him and he insults us, we insult him back and another Balkan war starts.

The Radical party won because the people trust them more and it against an independent Kosovo. Other parties are thought to be corrupt and not 'for the people'. It's not as if the goal of the Radical Party to kill off non-serbs. I don't get the fuckin fascist correlation one bit.

 

[hizzle?]

...The fucking name alone suggests that they are a fascist party man!!!!
Besides...the media went nuts on that 33%, the intellectuals in serbia almost commited a group suicide because they thought they were past the Milosevic era, etc...

Anyways, lets not start with this, our balkanic history will ruin another thread huhu

 

[S O F I]

Anyone who has Un-American ancestry ties...

Nope. There are Europeans who were mistreated such as the Irish. People who have been in American for several generations and can't count their ancestry back to any specific place are American.

Every American can trace his/her roots back to some other continent! If not, he/she's not trying hard enough or is one very unlucky bastard.

 

[S O F I]

...The fucking name alone suggests that they are a fascist party man!!!!
Besides...the media went nuts on that 33%, the intellectuals in serbia almost commited a group suicide because they thought they were past the Milosevic era, etc...

Anyways, lets not start with this, our balkanic history will ruin another thread huhu

It's just a name. It is a bit nationalist, but in the patriotic sense, not in the "let's kill muslims and croats" sense. The intellectuals in Serbia have a problem with not knowing who to vote for, because all the parties fuckin suck after Djindjic was assassinated. I wouldn't vote for this party, since its not really pro-EU or pro-West.

 

[keco52]

Anyone who has Un-American ancestry ties...

Understood, but this thread wasn't about if someone felt that they should get special treatment about it or not. It's just about how you personally feel about it if you stop and think it over.

I really didn't think the thread applies to me but I answered it anyway...what I was speaking of is the present. It is 2007 and we still are not fully federally recognized...that's all I was saying. It's not something I think about everyday...If we do that's great...If we don't I'm still the same person. Someone recognizing me as Native American or white...doesn't change the way I feel about myself.

That's how I feel about it...If I am the decesdant of a member of the KKK or even the Nazis what would anyone like me to do about it...? I had no say in what happened before I was born...therefore I have no feelings about it. Yea it was horrible...but I don't feel I should apologize because it was "my people". I don't think about it. We have enough issues in the present to be worrying about.

 

[Pittsey]

^^^^


Exactly... I can only be resonsible for me and my actions... If my ancestors raped and killed yours do you feel taking revenge on me would help?

 

[Casey]

I despise the British upper class, and particularly the British middle class who try, and aspire to be, upper class.

The morals, attitudes, opinions, personal politics and the general demeanor of these people is rooted in the British Colonialism of the 19th and 20th century - the attitude of Britain controlling and oppressing the colonies, which included India after the British invaded, raped and pillaged both the people and parts of the country and it's wealth (for example, the British Crown Jewels are part of the biggest diamond in the world, it's called the Kohinoor and it belongs to India.). There's a lot more that I don't need to go into right now. Look up General Dyer and the Amritsar massacre if you want to find out some more info, there's a lot of shocking stuff that some of you probably don't know about. He massacred almost 2000 people in Punjab including women and children. But, Karma can be a motherfucker. Check out how dude died:

After his death, a meter long platinum rod was discovered up the general's anal opening, and it is said that the rod had the engraving, "To general dyer, from the lions of the Punjab".

Oh, and his second in command, Michael O' Dwyer:

In his book India as I Knew it, Michael O'Dwyer had remarked in 1925: "The Punjabis were quick to take to heart the lessons that the revolution is a dangerous thing." But the later developments demonstrated how far Mr Michael O'Dwyer was wrong in his assessment of the Punjabis. A few years later, O'Dwyer was shot dead in Caxton Hall in the heart of London on March 13, 1940, by a Punjabi revolutionary and freedom fighter, Sardar Udham Singh, as an act of revenge for the Amritsar massacre in particular and his rule of political repression in Punjab in general. [32]

Moral - Don't fuck with Punjabi's!!!

When I last visited India, we visited a refubished Gymkhana hat the British had built there. It was astounding in that the British had obviously tried to re-create parts of England in India - there was a huge horse-racing area and polo pitches, and a building that was obviously their chill out area - it's now a really good restaurant with some incredible Indian chefs serving the best food - and there's memoribilia of the British's time there on the walls, etc.

Unsurprisingly, the British educational curriculum has always conveniently forgotten, or failed to teach what happened in India. There's a media campaign that's picking up steam, and a cousin of mine is involved, that's hoping to get to the British educational authorities to include details of British colonialism in India and other territories, taught in History lessons in schools.

 

[Dante]

Anyone who has Un-American ancestry ties...

People who have been in American for several generations and can't count their ancestry back to any specific place are American

almost everyone can count a minimum of three generations, and usually substantially more than that. what disturbs me about your post is that you regard being american as a default when you are unable to delineate more exotic heritage. listen, i am american and i am even more proud of being american than my ability to pick out a nation i have never even been to and claim some sort of allegiance. if you think it's cool to be non-american or to always be american but not really because you're also this, this, and this, then i'd prefer not even have you in my country. it's a total cop out for responsibility and as pseudo revolutionary as you can possibly be.

i hope you vote.

 

[Eric]

I'm happy we slaved blacks.

 

[Pittsey]

I despise the British upper class, and particularly the British middle class who try, and aspire to be, upper class.

The morals, attitudes, opinions, personal politics and the general demeanor of these people is rooted in the British Colonialism of the 19th and 20th century - the attitude of Britain controlling and oppressing the colonies, which included India after the British invaded, raped and pillaged both the people and parts of the country and it's wealth (for example, the British Crown Jewels are part of the biggest diamond in the world, it's called the Kohinoor and it belongs to India.). There's a lot more that I don't need to go into right now. Look up General Dyer and the Amritsar massacre if you want to find out some more info, there's a lot of shocking stuff that some of you probably don't know about. He massacred almost 2000 people in Punjab including women and children. But, Karma can be a motherfucker. Check out how dude died:



Oh, and his second in command, Michael O' Dwyer:



Moral - Don't fuck with Punjabi's!!!

When I last visited India, we visited a refubished Gymkhana hat the British had built there. It was astounding in that the British had obviously tried to re-create parts of England in India - there was a huge horse-racing area and polo pitches, and a building that was obviously their chill out area - it's now a really good restaurant with some incredible Indian chefs serving the best food - and there's memoribilia of the British's time there on the walls, etc.

Unsurprisingly, the British educational curriculum has always conveniently forgotten, or failed to teach what happened in India. There's a media campaign that's picking up steam, and a cousin of mine is involved, that's hoping to get to the British educational authorities to include details of British colonialism in India and other territories, taught in History lessons in schools.

Which begs me to ask the question... Why live in England, when from the sounds of this post you seem to prefer India? Is it the extreme poverty that most of India has, and is this also the fault of the English? If so, surely when the English left they could pick themselves up?

Same with Africa... Are the Europeans to blame for their current troubles? Or do the warlords that steal the aid and supress the people deserve more of the blame?

How long can we blame History? If you had your diamond robbed... You got jacked... Next time don't lose the battle....

I don't understand why people preach of greener pastures but live in a place they hate... Same with the Muslim extreemists I see preaching in the street that this country is shit and the rules are shit, and that they want to make it an Islamic state... Why not live in an Islamic state? It makes the job a whole lot easier... I mean this is a small shit little country... If you wanna create a Muslim state choose a self sustaining super power of a country, like the United States....


Rant over.... Discuss.....

 

[yak pac fatal]

Same with Africa... Are the Europeans to blame for their current troubles? Or do the warlords that steal the aid and supress the people deserve more of the blame?

How long can we blame History? If you had your diamond robbed... You got jacked... Next time don't lose the battle....

I don't understand why people preach of greener pastures but live in a place they hate... Same with the Muslim extreemists I see preaching in the street that this country is shit and the rules are shit, and that they want to make it an Islamic state... Why not live in an Islamic state? It makes the job a whole lot easier... I mean this is a small shit little country... If you wanna create a Muslim state choose a self sustaining super power of a country, like the United States....


Rant over.... Discuss.....

great post:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: