abortion

[Kareem]

If you think that the only reason people have sex is to make babies, I'm not sure I can take you seriously.


No, that's not the message that's being sent out. It's unrealistic to think that anyone would want to go through the ordeal of having an abortion instead of using protection.

I didnt say that, BUT what is the purpose of sex, sure you can say pleasure yadda yadda, we all know that but what is sex really? its the form of procreating, my beef is with people, men and women who know damn well that pregnancy can occur but do so anyway then when shit hits the fan wanna abort the child cause "their not ready" shit if your not ready you have no buisness doing the deed, condoms, the pill an ect are not 100% fool proof so ta speak, so if your engaging in an act that can spawn offspring an your "not ready" then ya need ta sit back an evaluate yourself, not you persay but people in general, my point alright figureitvly(sp), speaking, dont rob the bank unless your prepared ta do the time that could ultimately come with it. Now in situations where the mothers life is in danger or the woman has been raped thats a whole different topic, but abortion just cause one isnt "ready" for a child is unacceptable to me, your not ready keep ya damn pants zipped up then.

PuffnScruff an Luv4Pac4Ever :thumb: couldnt agree more with the both of you

 

[Bhuddahhoodlum]

legal murder as an easy way out.

with adoption and all this other shit out there. all these other ways to raise a child, there is no excuse. just a want of not having to deal with your consequences and handle the responsibility. there's a word for that, but that slips my mind.

raise the kids or let someone else do it folks. plain and simple.

 

[KAMIKAZI]

raise the kids or let someone else do it folks. plain and simple.

Or just kill the kid. :thumb:

 

[Valeoz]

For me it depends on the parents situation. Their financial situation. If low-income parent(s) are unable to support the coming child then I would be pro-choice. But if they atleast have a median-income and are able to support a child then I am non-choice.

The thing I hate about lawmakers is everything is absolute to them, creating a love or hate thing, when it's very unneccessary. When somethimes alittle more effort is put into a law, it can be beneficial.

 

[S O F I]

For me it depends on the parents situation. Their financial situation. If low-income parent(s) are unable to support the coming child then I would be pro-choice. But if they atleast have a median-income and are able to support a child then I am non-choice.

What about families that have a good income but aren't able to raise the kid properly? You know what I'm talking about. The rich, spoiled kids that have their values fucked up. A good income doesn't mean a good upbringing.

 

[KAMIKAZI]

What about families that have a good income but aren't able to raise the kid properly? You know what I'm talking about. The rich, spoiled kids that have their values fucked up. A good income doesn't mean a good upbringing.

Yeah, my parent is low income and look how I turned out.

 

[Amara]

For me it depends on the parents situation. Their financial situation. If low-income parent(s) are unable to support the coming child then I would be pro-choice. But if they atleast have a median-income and are able to support a child then I am non-choice.

So poor people have more options, greater rights than the middle class, is that a fair system?

Wouldnt that be akin to a policy of eradication of the poor? Let the poor abort themselves into extinction and let the more well off children live.

I understand that what you are trying to say is that if people can support children, they should and that we shouldnt subject children to a life where they wouldnt receive the kind of familial and financial support they deserve. But if you split rights between rich and poor then what eventuates isnt a fair system in respect of a child, instead it ends up judging a childs right of existence upon factors far outside their control.

And why should we hold middle class people to higher degree of responsibility for their actions than the lower class? Both are responsible for their actions and if they dont want or cant support a child then they should act to prevent it occurring.

The thing I hate about lawmakers is everything is absolute to them, creating a love or hate thing, when it's very unneccessary. When somethimes alittle more effort is put into a law, it can be beneficial.

In a lot of ways it has to be absolute. Black and white, all or nothing. If it werent that way we'd have very discriminatory laws that judge people on artificial grounds.

 

[Valeoz]

What about families that have a good income but aren't able to raise the kid properly? You know what I'm talking about. The rich, spoiled kids that have their values fucked up. A good income doesn't mean a good upbringing.

Yeah I know what you talking about. But I can't speak on it tho, since I was talking about the situation at birth, not the future.

So poor people have more options, greater rights than the middle class, is that a fair system?

Middle class, no. I should of said high.

Wouldnt that be akin to a policy of eradication of the poor? Let the poor abort themselves into extinction and let the more well off children live.

It's, that's impossible.

I understand that what you are trying to say is that if people can support children, they should and that we shouldnt subject children to a life where they wouldnt receive the kind of familial and financial support they deserve. But if you split rights between rich and poor then what eventuates isnt a fair system in respect of a child, instead it ends up judging a childs right of existence upon factors far outside their control.

And what the child comes into in this world is also far outside of its control. Everything is outside of the child's control tho.

And why should we hold middle class people to higher degree of responsibility for their actions than the lower class? Both are responsible for their actions and if they dont want or cant support a child then they should act to prevent it occurring.

Responsiblity shouldn't be the first concern for low income families/individuals except for the wealthy. A low income family or individual has much more to lose (including the baby) than the wealthy. You see, you talk about fairness, but already nothing is fair. I'm only trying to make something fair.

In a lot of ways it has to be absolute. Black and white, all or nothing. If it werent that way we'd have very discriminatory laws that judge people on artificial grounds.

It's not discriminating, it's equating.

 

[XIAN]

Pro-life 4 ever!

 

[Mr.Deuce]

it depends on how old the fetus is.
but its murder.its a child-murder.

 

[haunted]

I believe that females should have the right to abortion but i also believe i should have the right to abort them afterwards. Fucking disgusting.

 

[Illuminattile]

It's all well and good to point to adoption as an alternative, but that still means the mother has to give birth. Which, in turn, means she has to take time off work/quit her job/drop out of school. Is it really fair to force someone who took all possible preventative measures, to give birth to a child - something which could cause serious physical and emotional trauma as well as costing her financially.

I didnt say that, BUT what is the purpose of sex, sure you can say pleasure yadda yadda, we all know that but what is sex really? its the form of procreating, my beef is with people, men and women who know damn well that pregnancy can occur but do so anyway then when shit hits the fan wanna abort the child cause "their not ready" shit if your not ready you have no buisness doing the deed, condoms, the pill an ect are not 100% fool proof so ta speak, so if your engaging in an act that can spawn offspring an your "not ready" then ya need ta sit back an evaluate yourself

If you think people should only have sex when they're mentally, physically and financially ready to raise a child, you're fighting an impossible struggle. If that were the case, then nobody would have sex until they decided that they wanted a child. It doesn't happen like that, it never will, it's a moot point.

By the way, you might want to throw a couple of full stops into your next post. :laugh:

 

[BIG NASTY]

for the people that have no problems with abortion, what are your reasons for abortion

well if a woman gets raped or a little girl has a kid (meaning under 18) or a little girl gets raped, etc.

if in doubt the little girl has a kid before 18 and has a abortion, i think she shouldn't be able to get multiple abortions. maybe just 1 and that's it.

 

[Butt Rubber]

i think abortion is good, think of all the serial killers it prevents

 

[HiGhTillDeaTH]

The one thing that really annoys me is when someone says that abortion is murder. Abortion is not murder, abortion is preventing a child from having to live a life of turmoil. Now consider this (especially the people who think abortion is murder), Would you want the parent considering abortion, to actually be a parent? If it is so wrong and such a horrible act, then should we even allow the people that consider abortion to raise children. Who knows, they might brain wash their children into having an open mind.

Also think of the amount of kids that go without during their lives. Yeah they might have foster parents, but they will always wonder about their real mother and father. Did I have any brothers and sisters? Think of all the kids that bounce from home to home and have nothing to call their own. Now they are born into a life of suffering just because someone outside of that life of suffering decides so.

Folks, we are going back in time. Women fought for these rights years ago and now you want to give thme back? Doesnt make the least bit of sense to me.

Another thing that bugs me is when people say if u have the balls to have sex, then u should be able to raise a kid. Ive never understood how 5 to 10 minutes of wanting to bumb and grind on someone of the opposite sex somehow means u are ready to raise a child properly.

Very few people that are having sex are laying down to add another face to this world. They are just simply horny.

Pro-Choice.

 

[PuffnScruff]

being horny should not be an excuse to not use protection when having sex and not being responsible

we are not going back in time on the issue.

you cant claim abortion is going to prevent a child from a life of turmoil. why cant you claim that? because you can not predict the future.

 

[HiGhTillDeaTH]

^ How can u say we are not going ack in time on this issue? We already had Roe Vs. Wade. It was a landmark case, and women fought hard for the right, and now u want to take it away?


Quit kidding yourself. Most of the people that want an abortion, cant afford a kid, arent old enough, are uneducated. Sounds like the perfect parent and a perfect life.

 

[PuffnScruff]

^ How can u say we are not going ack in time on this issue? We already had Roe Vs. Wade. It was a landmark case, and women fought hard for the right, and now u want to take it away?


Quit kidding yourself. Most of the people that want an abortion, cant afford a kid, arent old enough, are uneducated. Sounds like the perfect parent and a perfect life.

adoption? and if the kid grows up wanting to know who their parents are, guess what? they can find out. its done everyday.

i dont understand how you can say abortion is not murder just because it is preventing a child from being born into a life of having parents that make bad choices in life.

if i killed a man who was about to rape a woman would it still not be murder? even though i was going to prevent her from the terrible experience of rape.

 

[HiGhTillDeaTH]

adoption? and if the kid grows up wanting to know who their parents are, guess what? they can find out. its done everyday.

i dont understand how you can say abortion is not murder just because it is preventing a child from being born into a life of having parents that make bad choices in life.

if i killed a man who was about to rape a woman would it still not be murder? even though i was going to prevent her from the terrible experience of rape.

Wow I guess im not making my points very clear.

I know that a kid can find out their parents, and it happens every day, I know. That's one of my points, it happens too much. Why should a child have to go through that? Why should a child have to go through ANY part of their life wondering who their parents are? Why should they be passed around from foster parents/foster homes. We already have enough kids that dont know there mother and fathers, have no family.

This is why I say it is not murder: While a child is being carried by his mother, it cannot recall anything. It can not identify anything, anyone, knows nothing of his/her future family. Has no clue it is even there. The child itself doesnt even know it is there. We, on the outside world, we all know there is something inside of there. But there life hasnt begun. Does anyone remember what was going on inside of their mothers belly?

As for the third question, well its a dumb question. Here I'll explain why. Murder. Yes it would be murder, if we were just going by the definition of the word "Murder". But if u are preventing someone from being raped, and there is proof that that is the case, then it would not be considered "murder". That person would not be a criminal, that person would be a hero. So i really dont see how that question relates to anything.

 

[bigmack]

This is why I say it is not murder: While a child is being carried by his mother, it cannot recall anything. It can not identify anything, anyone, knows nothing of his/her future family. Has no clue it is even there. The child itself doesnt even know it is there. We, on the outside world, we all know there is something inside of there. But there life hasnt begun. Does anyone remember what was going on inside of their mothers belly?

you're telling me that if i killed someone who was blind,deaf,paralyzed and metally retarded, then that wouldnt be murder.fuck yea, im not going to jail