a few thoughts from a old but silent member.

[JOHNNY_H]

Wasup everyone I have been here a while but have been a silent member, I have been visiting the site since I first found it on a internet search of "Tupac Shakur", I cant remember exactly when but it was a Long time ago. IT was easily round '96 97 ish.

I found this site and 2paczone.com and makaveli4ever.net and of course this sites rival Madeniggaz.net. This site of the three of them has stayed up. 2paczone lol i haven't checked since 97, Makaveli4ever closed down and Madeniggaz was closed due to lack of interest in its forum community and lack of hits.

I'm sorry to hear of your on going legal troubles from those who would like to destroy your image and the sites status and credibility.

Which brings me to my main subject, this new fucking TUPAC ALBUM.
It seems that what is happening to your site has already happend to the source of the sites existence, Tupac's Music. I Downloaded this cause i was skeptical about a Eminem produced TUPAC CD as I have been a Tupac fan since '95 this album succeeded in pissing me off.

So we have had a few good albums for which I'm thankfull, R U STILL DOWN is dope, Still I rise was cool, UTEOT was the best one they have dropped it sounded, felt like a Tupac CD. I can still rock that shit in the ride to this day. Better Dayz lol well that CD coulda had a Better Outcome cause save a few songs the album was aight, you could see interscope and Afeni ( I sincerely hope I am wrong in this conviction no disrespect to Tupacs Moms ) creeping in the Commercial mainstream artists and producers although it wasn't as bad as you would think as the songs were still heavy hitting.

And now Don't even get me started ON Deathrow Records ( a label i was fond of in the 90's and was a renewed fan when they picked up Crooked I ) that is a whole differant rant.

This is growing long, but I sorta feel if I am going to say this It might as well be here where the members will most appreciate it.
This new Tupac CD if you could call it that is worse then anything I could have possibly thought. I didn't like one song not even the ones people thought were good. The album was simply put COMPLETE GARBAGE. OLD early 90's PAC vocals sped up to extremely ammature wack 8mile beats over and over and over again, with the likes of GUNIT and Obie Trice and even Em himself ......... now This simply was the worse Idea since Greedo Shooting first ( greedo being the Green dude Han solo wasted in Starwars which was changed in the Starwars Spec Edition in '97).

also to change his words so he speaks of Eminem and Gunit ?
LOL Who the fuck gave that order?
Please surely to god tell me Afeni wasn't at the helm ofthis project?
Has she spoken on the album? Why was this aloud to take place?
I mean Deathrow sucks ass I had faith in the fact that Afeni was Doing all she could for her sons legacy and this trashy piece of shit is what is on shelves?

Anyway that was a few thoughts from a long time but quiet member of this community and a long time for almost since it was first put up, As a old visitor to this site, Thanks for all the Tupac information and news you guys have supplied and the dedication to my favorite HipHop artist.

But this bullshit CD is inexcusable and I'm sorry if this is the 1 000 000'th complaint on these forums about this album, But i would like to think I didn't complain simply voiced a informed and backed up opinion of this CD and its damage to a otherwise great artist.

I wish they would just stop releasing Tupac Cd's and let the man rest. I mean Tupacs mother on Primtime ( a video upped by a member here ) said that Tupacs Soul needed to be free, that she knew his soul deserved to be free and she rejoiced to be the one to set him free?

Wasn't Tupacs Soul in his music? and where exactly has he been set free?

just my thoughts ... Peace

 

[cookies]

lifes a bitch cant get everythin we want

 

[Mr.Deuce]

Join Date: Aug 2001
Posts: 44

Damn...U´ve Been Real Silent
Good Read Tho´Agree Wit`cha 100%.

 

[JOHNNY_H]

lifes a bitch cant get everythin we want

This falls under nethier catagory dude, seeing as I dont want a new Tupac CD wether its OG or Remastered. Just would like to see the man retired, Like Jordans jersey or Wayne Gretzky's Hockey Jersey, see Tupac Retire with the Greats at thier respective talent.

what is wrong with that?

Join Date: Aug 2001
Posts: 44

Damn...U´ve Been Real Silent
Good Read Tho´Agree Wit`cha 100%.

Yeah I used to post at ( still do rarely ) ...... Cellblock.
I mostly post at Non Hip hop boards now if i do post its at WWC or MP. I have always checked this place every now and then and back in the day I was a daily visitor from the PC's in Highschool during class. I only started on Forums at my Homeboys house in summer 01 hence the registration date.

 

[Dave D]

Pretty much agree with you there.

 

[2PacThug4Life]

This falls under nethier catagory dude, seeing as I dont want a new Tupac CD wether its OG or Remastered. Just would like to see the man retired, Like Jordans jersey or Wayne Gretzky's Hockey Jersey, see Tupac Retire with the Greats at thier respective talent.

what is wrong with that?

so you wouldn't even want an og box set with all tha og's of tha songs that have come out so far and then if they would have tha next albums be all original and cdq

you wouldn't want that?

 

[cookies]

This falls under nethier catagory dude, seeing as I dont want a new Tupac CD wether its OG or Remastered. Just would like to see the man retired, Like Jordans jersey or Wayne Gretzky's Hockey Jersey, see Tupac Retire with the Greats at thier respective talent.

what is wrong with that?

i respect dat, but all this fantasy bullshit needs to stop now, cuz amaru aint gonna stop till everything pac did is out, till every single penny is accounted for. now unless u get in there and are a someone aint afeni gonna give fuck or lapolt. reading and hearing are definetly not afenis strongest points, so tell me wtf can we do?

 

[JOHNNY_H]

so you wouldn't even want an og box set with all tha og's of tha songs that have come out so far and then if they would have tha next albums be all original and cdq

you wouldn't want that?

Probly not as it would be very expensive for songs that right or wrong ive have collected on CD's since they leaked in 97. I never once bought a Tupac Bootleg
and I remember as early as 97 befor the leak, hearing of a 4disc album called "All Eyez on Him from Amaru and Deathrow" lol so i was thinkin I would eventually see All Eyez on me x2 ( one of his best, hes best IMO is me against the world ).

So No I wouldnt, If i listen to anyone now its someone who is coming up trying to get thier own message out, like Immortal Technique. I still listen and am happy with my Classic records but I doubt very much I would spend a small fortune on a Tupac box set. I have already bought DVD's two books and all the cd's except the last one over the years so I dont think i would want that, although I can understand its appeal.

 

[2PacThug4Life]

i don't wanna stop seeing new pac albums because then it will be all over and i want it to go on and on...........i know one day it will have to stop but i just couldn't live if it stopped now


they need to put out an album and have tha "true" fans pick tha tracklist

 

[The.Menace]

I agree.

 

[JOHNNY_H]

i don't wanna stop seeing new pac albums because then it will be all over and i want it to go on and on...........i know one day it will have to stop but i just couldn't live if it stopped now


they need to put out an album and have tha "true" fans pick tha tracklist

But it is all over dude, lol Tupac Died.
Fans didnt want to let go then and dont now? But Tupac wasnt the only great performer who has died or killed and many of the others are still rememberd as legends in thier respective genres, Jim Morrison, John Lennon, John Denver ( ahahah just kidding ), Bob marley, Marvin Gaye, etc. These men arent forgotten? there is no threat of people not valuing thier music or diminshing thier achievments cause they dont have a top ten album ever 1-2years after thier deaths anniversery's.

So Im thinkin that this whole thing about new albums keeping Tupacs name in the streets which involves a clever marketing ploy "buy our album to do so" is just that its marketing. When infact they are releasing inferior music that makes some of Tupacs roughest edits and left out songs for lack of quality look like diamonds in the rough.

Tupac as far as Hip Hop community is concernd will always be a legend so long as Hip Hop stays true to itself and keeps him as a legend, same to his fans no wack ass 1xplatinum GUNIT record featuring Tupac will do that, cause if that is what keeps a artist's name or accomplishments fresh in peoples minds? where is the artform?

 

[2PacThug4Life]

But it is all over dude, lol Tupac Died.
Fans didnt want to let go then and dont now? But Tupac wasnt the only great performer who has died or killed and many of the others are still rememberd as legends in thier respective genres, Jim Morrison, John Lennon, John Denver ( ahahah just kidding ), Bob marley, Marvin Gaye, etc. These men arent forgotten? there is no threat of people not valuing thier music or diminshing thier achievments cause they dont have a top ten album ever 1-2years after thier deaths anniversery's.

So Im thinkin that this whole thing about new albums keeping Tupacs name in the streets which involves a clever marketing ploy "buy our album to do so" is just that its marketing. When infact they are releasing inferior music that makes some of Tupacs roughest edits and left out songs for lack of quality look like diamonds in the rough.

Tupac as far as Hip Hop community is concernd will always be a legend so long as Hip Hop stays true to itself and keeps him as a legend, same to his fans no wack ass 1xplatinum GUNIT record featuring Tupac will do that, cause if that is what keeps a artist's name or accomplishments fresh in peoples minds? where is the artform?

but people are forgetting pac and looking at these wack ass rappers as idols and i don't want to see that........that shit breaks my heart and i know i can't do nothin...........i jus want as a last resort to see these come out og in a boxset

 

[JOHNNY_H]

but people are forgetting pac and looking at these wack ass rappers as idols and i don't want to see that........that shit breaks my heart and i know i can't do nothin...........i jus want as a last resort to see these come out og in a boxset

Then that is a problem with Hip Hop as well not the fan base.
It is easy to blame the fans but I know alot of Rock fans that can not only buy and listen to the Deftones or any of that other stuff, and they know who the Doors are or hte Rolling stones. They know enough to respect that music and the artists who made it, why is it hip hop is so superficial? and if that is the case who says Tupac should be rememberd by those people cause he deserves better then to be constantly blared and broadcasted and being a product to turn a profit with little to no benefit to himself or those he represented, one of the very things he hated about the buisness, is what is to keep his memory alive? AM I the only one who see's something really wrong with this?

Remember in the Movie ressurrection where hes talkin about his music is differant cause its not somethin to just bob your head and listen to? that there is somethin in it that differs that his soul and life is in his music? ........ can you honestly say the shit coming out lately even remotly embodies that? and any box set anyone releases would be cheap hand-me downs so they could make more money for thier already rich off tupacs music asses?

See where im goin with this?
Some of the greatest Artists are legends in thier communities and they havent sold shit.

 

[2PacThug4Life]

Then that is a problem with Hip Hop as well not the fan base.
It is easy to blame the fans but I know alot of Rock fans that can not only buy and listen to the Deftones or any of that other stuff, and they know who the Doors are or hte Rolling stones. They know enough to respect that music and the artists who made it, why is it hip hop is so superficial? and if that is the case who says Tupac should be rememberd by those people cause he deserves better then to be constantly blared and broadcasted and being a product to turn a profit with little to no benefit to himself or those he represented, one of the very things he hated about the buisness, is what is to keep his memory alive? AM I the only one who see's something reall wrong with this?

i just don't want to stop seeing him on tv and hearing him on tha radio


i guess i should of became a fan when he was actually alive so i could have seen that but i couldn't cause i was like 7 or 8 and never had heard a him

 

[CoolWaterz]

I used to love makaveli4ever.com...even more than this site..i think i stumbled upon this site once makaveli4ever.com closed down...but thinking about it now this site is far better.

 

[MC Pappa]

That's just what gives these fuckers like Eminem and G-Unit their chance to cash off Tupac...cause us fans can't let go...we buy everything they put out just cause we wanna hear the man speak. Tupac was such a personality which u come by only a few times in a century. He spoke for the people who needed a voice, and he always stayed true...till the end.

Now, the question is, who is wrong now?

The Fans, who loved the man so much that it's hard to let him go. He was like a brother u never got to meet.

or

The people making money off of the mans legacy by exploiting our fragile hearts.



The box set of all the OG's would be a great end for this, cause this eminem bullshit needs to stop...but i doubt it'll never happen.
But you can't blame us fans for loving the man so much.

 

[JOHNNY_H]

I dont blame you, I was and to a certain extent am still a huge fan.
There was a cool feeling waking up and rushing down to the record store to copp Tupac, Dre, Snoops, Doggpounds new records back in the 90's I was only about 11-12 i was 14 when Tupac died but I had issues of the source, and Cassettes out the ass of all these albums :d Its not about loving or hating anyone its about moving on lol.

There are artists with just a potent message as Tupac did youjust have to look for them, one artist in particular who isnt wieghed down by the fact Interscope, sony, or anyone owns him or tells him what to rap about. Im talkin of course of Immortal Technique.

But then again if you go to far and go from fan to fanatic lol then you can be blamed.
Cause at the end of the day the man was a Hip Hop artist/actor a very prolific one and very charismatic his music can even touch you emotionally and tap into your own mind.

but having lost enough people who I love and are closer to me then Tupac ever could have been as hes not a part of my life, its not hard to imagin me not loosing sleep cause there isnt a NEW Tupac CD coming out.

Tupac Shakur was and always will be unique and differant and hes the Micheal Jordan of hip hop, Almost everyone loves him, alota people are jealouse of his records that will be heard to beat and he retired one of the greats.

So let him be that.
And Not cheapen him with more corporat pimping of the songs he never saw fit to release in the first place.

 

[Shot 21]

I dont blame you, I was and to a certain extent am still a huge fan.
There was a cool feeling waking up and rushing down to the record store to copp Tupac, Dre, Snoops, Doggpounds new records back in the 90's I was only about 11-12 i was 14 when Tupac died but I had issues of the source, and Cassettes out the ass of all these albums :d Its not about loving or hating anyone its about moving on lol.

There are artists with just a potent message as Tupac did youjust have to look for them, one artist in particular who isnt wieghed down by the fact Interscope, sony, or anyone owns him or tells him what to rap about. Im talkin of course of Immortal Technique.

But then again if you go to far and go from fan to fanatic lol then you can be blamed.
Cause at the end of the day the man was a Hip Hop artist/actor a very prolific one and very charismatic his music can even touch you emotionally and tap into your own mind.

but having lost enough people who I love and are closer to me then Tupac ever could have been as hes not a part of my life, its not hard to imagin me not loosing sleep cause there isnt a NEW Tupac CD coming out.

Tupac Shakur was and always will be unique and differant and hes the Micheal Jordan of hip hop, Almost everyone loves him, alota people are jealouse of his records that will be heard to beat and he retired one of the greats.

So let him be that.
And Not cheapen him with more corporat pimping of the songs he never saw fit to release in the first place.

I reckon Amaru should just release it all. That way the fans can decide if they want to buy it. I would. But I respect that some people wont want to buy it like you. At least this way we have a choice.

 

[theblast]

agree with jonny, need s to end now, ending the release of new albums will stop the cheapening of his legacy, and turning him into a pop idol rather than a pop icon. Its easy to become a fanatic, i for one sleep, eat and drink pac...... (uh not literally that would be gay !!!!) but i can see the sense in what jonny is saying.

 

[faucet]

pop?