Technology Android

ARon

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Oh yeahhhhh. We're about to be playing PS games on our mobile phones, no not emulator shit, real games. Dual cores are going to be needed a lot sooner than you might think
 

Casey

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No way in hell that'll stay at 800 for longer than 2 months. They're just testing the waters to see how much the earliest adopters are willing to splash.
I predict it'll be $650 before April ends. Could be wrong, but we'll see...
 

ARon

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Well Moto has had a rough year, they've lost a bunch of money. This is a good product and it has hype, I can believe they're trying to capitalize on it as much as they can, but who knows
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
Isn't kinda ironic that Motorola wants to lock down your device about as much as Apple does with its locked bootloaders?

Just saying. I read that somewhere else and it got me thinking....
 

THEV1LL4N

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there are ways around it. but for the majority of people the bootloaders will stay locked. i believe it was the droid x that was locked down and was eventually unlocked. it'd be a good idea to analyse which phone will have a lot of consumers using it and thus the size of the modding/developer community.
 

masta247

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IF the PSX had a 33 Mhz CPU, why would we need dual cores?
Playstation Specifications

I play PSX4droid all the time and the game sometimes lags. Why is that?

I'm just trying to clarify the whole numbers game thing.
Games were written exclusively for that very hardware platform, that's why.
For example Dreamcast had a ~200mhz cpu but it's hard to run Dreamcast games even on high end PCs.
Emulation means software emulation of a program that was written exclusively for a specific set of hardware.
So to put it in a better perspective now the CPU itself would have to handle a program (emulator) that was written to try to run a different program that was written for an entire platform.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
Ah, masta, that's a bit confusing. Either way, I just learned computer hardware doesn't have to be the same as the original system being emulated's hardware.

So instead of needing hardware to run a PSX emulator, we'll need hardware capable of running straight up PSX games, possibly, downloadable in the form of an .apk much like Angry Birds and games like that?
 

masta247

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Perhaps it's hard to explain. Original PSX games were written with PSX and its hardware in mind - the whole platform, PSX CPU, GPU, audio, separate geometry transformation engine, data decompression engine and a lot of other things that are not present in modern devices. In short they are just totally not compatible with each other.

So to run PSX games on a modern PC/Mobile phone someone would have to write a program that would interpret every single element from the original PSX game and write complex algorithms to transform it to something that a modern CPU would understand, decode and attempt run by itself - at that point it tries to process tasks that on PSX were done by multiple separate pieces of hardware that were done exclusively to serve their purpose and do part of the job. So a modern CPU struggles to break down complex technologies to simple functions that it's able to run by itself, and then attempts to run them. That's a lot of work, even considering that an emulation software was perfectly written and doesn't add even more pointless work to be done.

To make it less confusing a pretty close real life example would be like having 20 Spanish-speaking experts (each of different trade) and a chief (PSX application) giving each of them a task that is exactly fitted because he knows exactly what they can do and how to communicate with them to make the task perfectly clear. Obviously the task is given in Spanish.
Now we have a smarter English speaking guy (modern CPU) who wants to do the same thing but doesn't understand jack shit about what they're talking about and even if he understood, he wouldn't know how to do it. The boss (PSX application again) is still ordering the same thing he said before, in the same way.
So the English speaking dude would first need to translate these instructions, transcribe all of that bullshit expert talk to things that he could understand and create a list of tasks in his own language and only then he could attempt to do them.
That's a lot more work so he needs to be shitloads of times faster to handle these things and he needs a good enough emulator (translator and dictionary) that he also has to use all the time to understand what he's trying to do. And obviously he's still more prone to making mistakes.

If someone was to make a new game from scratch that would be Android optimized, one that would be an exact copy of a PSX game it would run smoothly on a much slower device than a PSX game emulated on an Android device. It's called porting.
However usually a company porting its app to a different OS have easy work to do because they have the source code for the app and they just have to make changes to make it work on a different platform.
In case of PSX games it's not as easy as taking an already made game and just "making it work well" as an apk.
PSX games are not open source - developers would have to start from scratch - it would take almost as much effort as creating these PSX games did in the first place.
 

ARon

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Is that the notification bar on the bottom Casey? or what the Nook has on the regular? Looks weird.

I don't really know the specs on the Nook, whats inside it?
 

Casey

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Ruk it was almost TOO easy. Took about 5 mins. It runs smooth as fuckk and i haven't even overclocked yet.

For 250 bucks you can't go wrong. This thing performs better than some $400 tabs i've tested.

Aron yeah that's the notif bar cos im still on the stock rom but rooted and with zeamLauncher... when
i flash a new rom it'll go back up top.... unless i flash honeycomb of course.

Specs are good.... same processor as droidX and droid2...
 

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