Technology Android

masta247

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I agree with Pittsey.

I'd like to add that Jobs is not only Arrogant and obnoxious but also spreads stupid propaganda that people will believe. I'm not saying that everything he said is wrong but most things are.
And he sounds like a girl :p
 

Pittsey

Knock, Knock...
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I can find info on sightings of UFO's and Jesus on the net. Doesn't make it gospel.

Fact is you are the ONLY one on here with the problems. The ONLY one I have ever heard it from. Maybe your grandad can give you some lessons on the computer and how it works.
 

masta247

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http://www.google.com/search?hl=eng&q=mac+os+crashes&btnG=Szukaj&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

more results. Har har

Fact is you are the ONLY one on here with the problems. The ONLY one I have ever heard it from.
It's also something you can hear from Jobs and his followers :)

No really, Flash crashes sometimes but:
1. Happens rarely on stable systems
2. Happens usually on Macs (Apple skillzor too low to make it work right?)
3. Haven't ever happened to me.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
I can find info on sightings of UFO's and Jesus on the net. Doesn't make it gospel.

Fact is you are the ONLY one on here with the problems. The ONLY one I have ever heard it from. Maybe your grandad can give you some lessons on the computer and how it works.
SOFI and I are the only ones with Macs on here. But Flash fucking up is not limited to just OSX. There are some problems that are limited to just Chrome on OSX. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about Flash, in general, on all platforms being shitty.
 

Pittsey

Knock, Knock...
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SOFI and I are the only ones with Macs on here. But Flash fucking up is not limited to just OSX. There are some problems that are limited to just Chrome on OSX. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about Flash, in general, on all platforms being shitty.
My platform is awesome. Nothing crashes. 15 seconds boot. Never had a virus. I'm thinking it is a user problem.
 

Casey

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Agreed with Pittsey. NEVER had a problem with Flash on Windows. Not once. Not with Chrome, not with Firefox, nothing. And my Windows desktop is 6 years old running XP.

I have had a couple of issues with Flash on Linux, but nothing annoying. It doesn't slow my system down, it just reloads the Flash plugin and gives me a notification. And that's mostly because 64bit Flash on Linux is only a very recent development. If I were running a 32bit installation I'd have no problems.

Apple machines seem to have problems with Flash even on 32bit machines, which is just LOLz.
 

Casey

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And then they keep saying Gingerbread is 3.0, but whatever it is, it should be due out at the end of the year and Ice Cream mid-2011. So what's the deal with Honeycomb, then? Just somewhere in between? Or is GB more for tablets?
Gingerbread - soon
Honeycomb - Feb/March
Ice Cream - announced next May, roll out next July

But we'll see.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
I just remembered something. The MyTouch 3G is a stock Android phone, right? Why is it getting 2.2 now? I mean, it's still getting it rather early, but why not with the N1 or Droid? Even the D2 and DX got it before it. I understand they're newer, but...the point of getting stock Android is not having the UI clutter it up and getting updates first.
 

Prize Gotti

Boots N Cats
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Whats annoying is the Nexus one is nearly a year old, its not new hardware, it's rarely available also, so why do they keep focusing on it? The G1 was supposed to be the flagship phone and they dropped it within months.
 

Casey

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Whats annoying is the Nexus one is nearly a year old, its not new hardware, it's rarely available also, so why do they keep focusing on it? The G1 was supposed to be the flagship phone and they dropped it within months.
Not really. The G1 was the flagship phone from launch (Oct 2008) to the N1 launch (January 2010). That's nearly 15 months. The N1 has been the flagship for only 10 months so far.

Also, Smacky, regarding the original MyTouch.....ask T-Mobile. I'm guessing they re-engineered parts of the ROM to suit the older hardware.
 

S O F I

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Developer Joe Hewitt Tears Into Android’s Definition Of “Open”

In Silicon Valley, there are few developers more respected than Joe Hewitt — he helped create Firefox, he built the indispensible development tool FireBug, and he was also responsible for both Facebook’s ‘Touch’ mobile website and the first few versions of its incredibly popular native iPhone application (which he’s rumored to have built singlehandedly). And Hewitt, who is still a prominent Facebook employee, isn’t shy about voicing his opinions when it comes to technology.

This evening Hewitt has tweeted an hour-long stream of criticism directed at Google’s definition of “Open” when it comes to Android — a topic that was brought up by Steve Jobs during his tirade against Google during Apple’s earnings call yesterday. Android chief Andy Rubin responded to Jobs with his first tweet, which contained his definition of open: a terminal command that can be used to download the source code of the current version of Android. But Hewitt obviously isn’t satisfied.

Hewitt kicked off his series of tweets with a question: “How does Android get away with the “open” claim when the source isn’t public until major releases, and no one outside Google can check in?”

For those who aren’t familiar with Android’s release cycle, Hewitt is referring to the fact that developers can’t take a look at the current version of the OS as it’s being developed. Instead, they have to wait for the Android team to finish the latest release internally, at which point Google releases the code to developers (and carriers begin to deploy it to handsets a few weeks later). This process stands in contrast with many other popular projects that are considered to be ‘Open’, which allow developers to access the code as it’s being written, and in some cases, to check new code in themselves.

After that initial tweet, Hewitt continued to explain his argument (in some cases through replies to other users on Twitter). Here are some of the key tweets, you can read his full tweet stream here:

Compare the Android “open source” model to Firefox or Linux if you want to see how disingenuous that “open” claim is.

Until Android is read/write open, it’s no different than iOS to me. Open source means sharing control with the community, not show and tell.

I think it is the lack of visibility into daily progress that bothers me about Android more than the lack of write access.

Refusing to share your vision and progress until the big event… how very open.

@mclazarus true open source projects have a process for earning checkin privileges.

Point I am trying to make is, Rubin bickering with Jobs is a farce, because both refuse to share the one thing that matters: control.

@risaacs99 I am saying they are doing the bare minimum, but boasting as if they are on the level of Linux or Firefox, or even Chrome OS.

@risaacs99 like Rubin bragging about how downloading a months old code dump is the definition of open.

It’s obviously Google’s prerogative to decide what it wants to do with Android’s code. Hewitt’s point, it seems, is that Google’s definition of “Open” in this case is very different from the openness seen in Firefox and Chrome, but it’s reaping the same PR benefits. And while I’d personally consider Android to fall solidly in the ‘Open’ spectrum — you can fork it and install it on whatever device you can get it running on, which can’t be said about iOS — there’s no doubt that the meaning of the word has become very vague (or meaningless, depending on who you ask).

One other thing to note: Hewitt has had a lot to say about Android over the last several months. It’s my guess that he’s playing a key role in the customized version of Android that Facebook is probably developing, which could explain why he’d like access to code from a future release.
Everyone has a different definition of open it seems :)
 

Casey

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Yawn.

Android is OPEN SOURCE. Period. Point blank. End of story. The source is publically available. Obviously they're not going to open source it while they're still working on it. That doesn't make sense. Features get written and pulled from major releases if they aren't ready yet. Competition would steal ideas before Google got a chance to ship them.

The fact remains is that the source is right there for anyone to download, modify, compile and flash onto their own device or emulator.

As for checking in code, the Android developer community HAS been doing that, and Android since 2.0 has included many contributions from the community.

Open Source is a large term that covers a lot of differing situations, but Hewitt making arguments about "this is more open source than that" is pointless.
 

Pittsey

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This means android is becoming more of a threat. People like the underdog. But when you get big they hate you. Look at Apple. They were loved. Now we all take shots.
 

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