Sarah Palin
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okay im the dumb shit.
i guess rambling on in a virtual incoherent fashion but making sure i use plenty of expletives would improve my i.q. yes?
anyways.. menace, thats what i said. teach it as an elective. not even a "creationism" class but a "Religion" class. sociology covered the muslim religion too. what i was saying was, if you have knowledge of all these religions, it will only make you a wiser person and more accepting of people.
or you could jump on streethop and blast others' religions and ideas just because you don't agree with them. whatever tickles your fancy.
i guess rambling on in a virtual incoherent fashion but making sure i use plenty of expletives would improve my i.q. yes?
anyways.. menace, thats what i said. teach it as an elective. not even a "creationism" class but a "Religion" class. sociology covered the muslim religion too. what i was saying was, if you have knowledge of all these religions, it will only make you a wiser person and more accepting of people.
or you could jump on streethop and blast others' religions and ideas just because you don't agree with them. whatever tickles your fancy.
There are other ideas of creationism outside the mainstream idea of humans being created by God. Like I said it is for another topic of discussion.
Does Biden's experience in foreign policy really help? There are many that say Biden's experience doesn't count for much since he is has largley been wrong on many forieng policy issues throughout his career. This could also explain why the guy was never taken serious as a presidential canidate this election season.
Other than being the head of the Senate and going to funerals that President can't attend (obviously there are other duties), what does the veep really do? It is not much of a desired position and has never been. Honestly, if you are worried about Palin and how she will help out a McCain Administration in his job I think you should be more worried about who McCain picks as his Chief of Staff. This person is probably the closest thing to a real Vice President than the actually Vice President is.
Does Biden's experience in foreign policy really help? There are many that say Biden's experience doesn't count for much since he is has largley been wrong on many forieng policy issues throughout his career. This could also explain why the guy was never taken serious as a presidential canidate this election season.
Other than being the head of the Senate and going to funerals that President can't attend (obviously there are other duties), what does the veep really do? It is not much of a desired position and has never been. Honestly, if you are worried about Palin and how she will help out a McCain Administration in his job I think you should be more worried about who McCain picks as his Chief of Staff. This person is probably the closest thing to a real Vice President than the actually Vice President is.
there are many that say Biden has been wrong, but they are mostly republicans right? what a surprise, the republicans think a democrat made some mistakes, who would have guessed? again, right back to my first comment. i will admit i don't know a lot about Joe, which is why i haven't commented much about him one way or another in the past. but again, if you think the VP position isn't that important, you must have missed the Cheney show the past 8 years. i would agree there are more important positions than the VP, like chief of staff, but who takes over for the President in the event of tragedy (God willing it doesn't happen)? the VP. i'd like to think that in that event, that person will be able to step in and do the job. i'm not sure if Biden fits that bill either, but i KNOW Palin sure doesn't.
in theory, and that is really the only way to look at it at this point, Obama's choice of Biden makes sense. foreign policy is his weak spot, so the intelligent thing to do is pick a running mate who can help you in that aspect. John McCain's weakness is the economy. everyone knows it, even he's admitted it. so wouldn't it have made sense for him to consider someone who knows the economy, and can help him come up with ways to solve the economic problems in the US? that would make a lot more sense than picking a woman without much experience simply because she's a woman and can help him get more votes.
in theory, and that is really the only way to look at it at this point, Obama's choice of Biden makes sense. foreign policy is his weak spot, so the intelligent thing to do is pick a running mate who can help you in that aspect. John McCain's weakness is the economy. everyone knows it, even he's admitted it. so wouldn't it have made sense for him to consider someone who knows the economy, and can help him come up with ways to solve the economic problems in the US? that would make a lot more sense than picking a woman without much experience simply because she's a woman and can help him get more votes.
Pretty much.
But seriously, if you believe in creatonism you are not intelligent. You may be good at what you do but you are not intelligent.
I mean god created the earth and everything on it 5000 years ago, yet we can carbon date rocks from 4.2 billion years ago. Oh wait, god meant for it to be like that.
I'm not saying religion is for idiots (although this is debateable), just that creationism is.
But seriously, if you believe in creatonism you are not intelligent. You may be good at what you do but you are not intelligent.
I mean god created the earth and everything on it 5000 years ago, yet we can carbon date rocks from 4.2 billion years ago. Oh wait, god meant for it to be like that.
I'm not saying religion is for idiots (although this is debateable), just that creationism is.
In 2000 McCain had said that Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and other leaders of the Christian faith were leaders of intolerance and hatred, a few years later hes all for the Christian right!
The Daily Show made a very nice collage of his change from 2000 to now and its astonishing. If he ran the way he did in 2000 I think a lot more people would be with him but he went a complete different direction.
Why did the republican party go so headstrong into Obama's lack of experience, then turn around and choose a VP that also lacks experience?
McCain had four bouts with cancer and is 72 years old, the scenario of him dying in office is very likely so we have to look at if she can be president, it's logical.
I don't see this as an issue really. He took the last name of his indonesian step father when he was a kid.
I can't find anything about this, can you link a story?
Well they're the ones sending the mass emails spreading lies for both parties. Also some republican pundits use to emphasize the HUSSEIN part of Obama's name which is a fear tactic
It's from the CNN hour and a half stories looking into the past of both McCain and Obama, it's not done by commentators. It goes into detail their childhood and their rise into politics as well. It goes into Obama's votes in the senate and McCain's work with reaching across the room to work with democrats (one of them being Obama). Next week they're going to have two more of these shows that go into detail with Joe Biden and Sarah Palin. The shows are fantastically made and seem pretty balanced.
The Daily Show made a very nice collage of his change from 2000 to now and its astonishing. If he ran the way he did in 2000 I think a lot more people would be with him but he went a complete different direction.
Why did the republican party go so headstrong into Obama's lack of experience, then turn around and choose a VP that also lacks experience?
McCain had four bouts with cancer and is 72 years old, the scenario of him dying in office is very likely so we have to look at if she can be president, it's logical.
I don't see this as an issue really. He took the last name of his indonesian step father when he was a kid.
I can't find anything about this, can you link a story?
Well they're the ones sending the mass emails spreading lies for both parties. Also some republican pundits use to emphasize the HUSSEIN part of Obama's name which is a fear tactic
It's from the CNN hour and a half stories looking into the past of both McCain and Obama, it's not done by commentators. It goes into detail their childhood and their rise into politics as well. It goes into Obama's votes in the senate and McCain's work with reaching across the room to work with democrats (one of them being Obama). Next week they're going to have two more of these shows that go into detail with Joe Biden and Sarah Palin. The shows are fantastically made and seem pretty balanced.
The argument is that they want creation taught in a SCIENCE class. Creationism is another word for Intelligent Design, where the religious right want to infuse the ideas of science into their religious scriptures which doesn't work. Read a book about evolution, it is really not that hard to understand how life has become the way it is today.
If they want to teach creationism in a religion class go ahead, they're being taught bullshit anyways. Might as well have a Lord Of The Rings class
If they want to teach creationism in a religion class go ahead, they're being taught bullshit anyways. Might as well have a Lord Of The Rings class
Mostly Republicans but not all.
Why does his veep need to be so experienced in the economy or foreign policy for that matter? Wont he have other cabinet positions for that?
He needs their votes. Just like Obama needed the votes of people who were against the wire tapping and anti-war and various other issues that he turned on after the primaries ended.
McCain has good genes look at his mom, she is still kicking
Look, you to understand, that the experience or lack of, when comparing Obama to Palin is vastly different. The Republican party ( and the Democrats too, at least they used too) view being a mayor and a governor as executive experience. These are people that work full time 24/7, running a city or a state. They work with big budgets and control law enforcement agencies and national guard. It's a smaller scaled down version of being a president. That is the reality. Senators do not how the power to run these things.
The difference is you have a person who has shown to put their community and it's people first and you have a person who has put their careers first and themself first. The Republican party knows that. Most people know that Obama was a U.S. Senator for like 143 days before announcing to run for presidnet. Palin had more executive experience in the first week than Obama has ever had in his whole career. That is a huge difference.
The issue with the last name is that it further goes to show nobody knows who he is.
I can't link to a t.v. show. Newsbusters may have covered, if I have time I'll search them later.
527 groups are 527 groups. They work to help both parties. Take them for what they are.
As far as fear tactics...both parties are guilty of it, but that has been the basis for Obama's campaign. Scaring voters that were most likely going to vote for him anyways that McCain was 4 more years of Bush. Now, obviously many people believe that (partialy due to hate for Bush and partisian reasons) but the comparison really isn't there. Sure McCain voted 90% of the time with Bush but Obama voted 97% of the time down party lines. And putting the war and taxes aside Bush has been pretty down the middle on legilstaion signed. Also Obama scaring voters by saying the Republicans are going to say he has a funny name and point out my skin color. None of which the party has done. The only person to make race an issue has been Obama and it wouldn't make much sense for McCain to bring race into this since his youngest daughter is African.
Besides it is his middle name. I really don't think it is scaring anyone, if it were the people most likely had their mind made up that they weren't voting for him anyways.
Why does his veep need to be so experienced in the economy or foreign policy for that matter? Wont he have other cabinet positions for that?
He needs their votes. Just like Obama needed the votes of people who were against the wire tapping and anti-war and various other issues that he turned on after the primaries ended.
McCain has good genes look at his mom, she is still kicking
Look, you to understand, that the experience or lack of, when comparing Obama to Palin is vastly different. The Republican party ( and the Democrats too, at least they used too) view being a mayor and a governor as executive experience. These are people that work full time 24/7, running a city or a state. They work with big budgets and control law enforcement agencies and national guard. It's a smaller scaled down version of being a president. That is the reality. Senators do not how the power to run these things.
The difference is you have a person who has shown to put their community and it's people first and you have a person who has put their careers first and themself first. The Republican party knows that. Most people know that Obama was a U.S. Senator for like 143 days before announcing to run for presidnet. Palin had more executive experience in the first week than Obama has ever had in his whole career. That is a huge difference.
The issue with the last name is that it further goes to show nobody knows who he is.
I can't link to a t.v. show. Newsbusters may have covered, if I have time I'll search them later.
527 groups are 527 groups. They work to help both parties. Take them for what they are.
As far as fear tactics...both parties are guilty of it, but that has been the basis for Obama's campaign. Scaring voters that were most likely going to vote for him anyways that McCain was 4 more years of Bush. Now, obviously many people believe that (partialy due to hate for Bush and partisian reasons) but the comparison really isn't there. Sure McCain voted 90% of the time with Bush but Obama voted 97% of the time down party lines. And putting the war and taxes aside Bush has been pretty down the middle on legilstaion signed. Also Obama scaring voters by saying the Republicans are going to say he has a funny name and point out my skin color. None of which the party has done. The only person to make race an issue has been Obama and it wouldn't make much sense for McCain to bring race into this since his youngest daughter is African.
Besides it is his middle name. I really don't think it is scaring anyone, if it were the people most likely had their mind made up that they weren't voting for him anyways.
what i find funny is that you try to discredit Biden's experience by saying a lot of people say he was wrong. well Palin's record as mayor wasn't picture perfect either, if you haven't you should go back and read the article i posted about her time as mayor in Wasilla. i'd say she made a few mistakes, like trying to fire a librarian because she refused to allow her to censor or ban books deemed by some to be offensive. so her experience is about as questionable as Biden's if you want to look at it that way. experience is only good if you had good experience. if she had been mayor and run the town into the ground, would it still be good experience? see it is either this way or no way. you can't just point out flaws on one side and not look at the flaws on the other. this is what i've been saying is the biggest problem in politics all along, playing blind when it comes to the guys on your team. i'd say that Obama picking Biden wasn't necessarily the best decision but i can see the logic, the reasoning behind it. i don't really see the logic of McCain picking Palin.
edit: come to think of it, i have to laugh at your idea that the VP role isn't very important, or coveted. you do realize how many Vice Presidents went on to become President, right? i'd say it is a pretty coveted role for anyone who has aspirations of becoming President, which is pretty much anyone who has made it to that level of government.
edit: come to think of it, i have to laugh at your idea that the VP role isn't very important, or coveted. you do realize how many Vice Presidents went on to become President, right? i'd say it is a pretty coveted role for anyone who has aspirations of becoming President, which is pretty much anyone who has made it to that level of government.
In recent history the VP has done a lot more than what they did in the past. Cheney had the power to make military decisions when 9/11 happened. Nixon changed what the VP does.
Yet McCain still says hes the maverick reformer when hes the reformed maverick.
His mom didn't have cancer four times and went through years of torture.
Sure she has more executive power, I give her that. She has had zero experience with the national guard, the right needs to stop bringing that up. She has never had to command them, they are out of her hands when they are deployed. Smaller scaled down version of being president is a huge understatement especially for the state of Alaska. With all that executive experience Palin should be running for president!
Censoring books and cutting the budget for special needs children sure is putting the people first!
Like I said before, taking the last name of his step father when he was a child isn't a huge issue...it's like saying McCain was the 3rd last of his class in military school is a big hit on McCain. People still don't know Palin's views on the issues, all the republicans are saying is that shes a small town person with small town values. She hasn't even done a TV interview yet!
Well I'm sure if someone brought up that he was a muslim that news outlets would report on that.
I think Obama was referring to these 527 groups when referring to race, and there are some people who won't vote for a Obama solely for the reason that he is black.
There was interviews of a small town in the midwest (i think) where they asked who they were voting for and why. People were saying they weren't voting for Obama because he was a muslim and his middle name. I think the line was "We already dealt with one Hussein, we don't need another!". Ignorance isn't cured with misinformation.
There has been news today about Palin's church. It's a church that believes that Alaska will be the safehaven when armageddon comes. Their followers also speak in tongues. Sarah Palin said in June that the Iraq War was a duty from God.
Yet McCain still says hes the maverick reformer when hes the reformed maverick.
McCain has good genes look at his mom, she is still kicking
Sure she has more executive power, I give her that. She has had zero experience with the national guard, the right needs to stop bringing that up. She has never had to command them, they are out of her hands when they are deployed. Smaller scaled down version of being president is a huge understatement especially for the state of Alaska. With all that executive experience Palin should be running for president!
Censoring books and cutting the budget for special needs children sure is putting the people first!
Like I said before, taking the last name of his step father when he was a child isn't a huge issue...it's like saying McCain was the 3rd last of his class in military school is a big hit on McCain. People still don't know Palin's views on the issues, all the republicans are saying is that shes a small town person with small town values. She hasn't even done a TV interview yet!
Well I'm sure if someone brought up that he was a muslim that news outlets would report on that.
I think Obama was referring to these 527 groups when referring to race, and there are some people who won't vote for a Obama solely for the reason that he is black.
There was interviews of a small town in the midwest (i think) where they asked who they were voting for and why. People were saying they weren't voting for Obama because he was a muslim and his middle name. I think the line was "We already dealt with one Hussein, we don't need another!". Ignorance isn't cured with misinformation.
There has been news today about Palin's church. It's a church that believes that Alaska will be the safehaven when armageddon comes. Their followers also speak in tongues. Sarah Palin said in June that the Iraq War was a duty from God.
I can't recall which President said it ( I think it was a President) but they jokingly mocked the position of VP. It is not a position one aspires for in politics.
Everyone in politics has some sort of scandals or "gates". It shouldn't completely take away from the job that has been done. Wouldn't it be more important to look at what she had done for that city than have this one particular incident represent her as the mayor of the city? But she didn't run it into the ground. It is like the 3rd largest city in the state, I believe.
You are right people do not look at the whole picture of both sides. It is not that I do not try to do so, but when it comes to the topic of this thread everyone is pretty much one sided ( I wonder how many people thanked Jeremy for calling her a cunt bitch). So for the interest of having a debate someone needs to take the other side and since I know more people on this board will jump on the Obama/Biden bandwagon before every trying to look at the Palin side, I will glady do so. Mostly because I am extremely bored at work :nuts:
You can laugh all you want but simple truth is Darwin's theory of human evolution has never been proven. As it has been pointed out, there is no smoking gun. Not even a shell casing to determine what caliber of gun.
Everyone in politics has some sort of scandals or "gates". It shouldn't completely take away from the job that has been done. Wouldn't it be more important to look at what she had done for that city than have this one particular incident represent her as the mayor of the city? But she didn't run it into the ground. It is like the 3rd largest city in the state, I believe.
You are right people do not look at the whole picture of both sides. It is not that I do not try to do so, but when it comes to the topic of this thread everyone is pretty much one sided ( I wonder how many people thanked Jeremy for calling her a cunt bitch). So for the interest of having a debate someone needs to take the other side and since I know more people on this board will jump on the Obama/Biden bandwagon before every trying to look at the Palin side, I will glady do so. Mostly because I am extremely bored at work :nuts:
You can laugh all you want but simple truth is Darwin's theory of human evolution has never been proven. As it has been pointed out, there is no smoking gun. Not even a shell casing to determine what caliber of gun.
That was said in the 19th century. The line was something like "My duties amount to a warm cup of piss". But that has all changed.
Running it 20 million in debt for a town of 8000 is pretty bad though.
Like I said before, read a book about evolution. Scientists are 99% certain that evolution is a fact. If we want to discuss evolution we should make another thread though.
Running it 20 million in debt for a town of 8000 is pretty bad though.
Like I said before, read a book about evolution. Scientists are 99% certain that evolution is a fact. If we want to discuss evolution we should make another thread though.
so George H.W. Bush didn't use the fact he was VP for Reagan in his campaign? or pretty much any VP that ran for president? it looks damn good on a resume if your aspiration is to become President. whether or not it is a job you aspire to, it is an important role that i think any Presidential candidate would be glad to have and want on their record. to say it's a job no one wants to do is probably a bit off, don't you think?
well wouldn't it be more important to look at the things Joe Biden got right instead of pointing out the things people say he got wrong? it works both ways. and Wasilla may be the 3rd largest city in the state, but considering Alaska is the least populated state, i don't think that makes much of a difference. it is still a town of less than 10,000.
well wouldn't it be more important to look at the things Joe Biden got right instead of pointing out the things people say he got wrong? it works both ways. and Wasilla may be the 3rd largest city in the state, but considering Alaska is the least populated state, i don't think that makes much of a difference. it is still a town of less than 10,000.
Withouth looking it up, can you name President Carters VP and what he did?
The National Guard thing isn't exactly true. I mean just recently she sent help to Gov. Jindal in New Orleans. That is just one example.
2012 Palin vs. Hillary (keep in mind two years ago on this site I said McCain would be where he is now)
Hard decisions have to be made in these roles. Including cutting budgets. Just be glad I'm not in power I would cut all federal funded social programs. :idea:
Can you blame her? The media has been a bit over the top with her and her family since she was announced as veep.
A liberal Democrat on a liberal biased news show and you think it would get reported by other liberal biased news companies? Doubtful. Besides he wasn't so much calling him a muslim. That would be political suicide. He was putting the question out there in a sly politician way.
I bet you there are just as many if not more (especially the young voters) who will vote for him soley because he is black.
I agree. I have also seen interviews with young voters and when asked why they are voting for Obama all they say is because he will bring "change" or because he is black. That is just as ignorant.
So what do you think is better, Palin's church or Obama' black theologian liberation (seperatist?) church?
The National Guard thing isn't exactly true. I mean just recently she sent help to Gov. Jindal in New Orleans. That is just one example.
2012 Palin vs. Hillary (keep in mind two years ago on this site I said McCain would be where he is now)
Hard decisions have to be made in these roles. Including cutting budgets. Just be glad I'm not in power I would cut all federal funded social programs. :idea:
Can you blame her? The media has been a bit over the top with her and her family since she was announced as veep.
A liberal Democrat on a liberal biased news show and you think it would get reported by other liberal biased news companies? Doubtful. Besides he wasn't so much calling him a muslim. That would be political suicide. He was putting the question out there in a sly politician way.
I bet you there are just as many if not more (especially the young voters) who will vote for him soley because he is black.
I agree. I have also seen interviews with young voters and when asked why they are voting for Obama all they say is because he will bring "change" or because he is black. That is just as ignorant.
So what do you think is better, Palin's church or Obama' black theologian liberation (seperatist?) church?
I haven't read that about her as mayor but the state is well above water.
I have read were scientists and disputed evolution. All science will be disputed and debated, even the most famous theories have been put to task and questioned.
Of course, but it also doesn't always work either. But it is also pretty much expected of them by the party too. But I don't think it was that off. Many politicians have said they wouldn't want the job, even in this race (didn't Biden say that...)
I have read were scientists and disputed evolution. All science will be disputed and debated, even the most famous theories have been put to task and questioned.
Of course, but it also doesn't always work either. But it is also pretty much expected of them by the party too. But I don't think it was that off. Many politicians have said they wouldn't want the job, even in this race (didn't Biden say that...)
Not without looking it up no because my American history class didn't go into detail every single US president. After looking it up, I don't see how is relevant to your case? Mondale did a shitload as vice president.
No governor has no authority to command their troops outside of their state. The national guard is federalized to be sent to other states for assistance just like when being sent overseas. Even the service commander of the alaskan national guard said that the governor gave him power to act on his own.
"The recent decision to deploy a C-17 cargo plane from the Alaska Air National Guard to Louisiana to assist during the Hurricane Gustav response was an occasion in which Campbell briefed the governor's office and sought its approval, he said. Chief of Staff Mike Nizich signed off on it."
McClatchy Washington Bureau | 09/04/2008 | Official: Palin's never issued an order to Alaska Guard
I'm sure people said Hillary would be running in this election as well, Obama sure showed them.
You criticized Obama for not looking out for the people and only looking out for himself...so your ideals are completely different?
Because no one knows who she is! The people don't know what her views are on economy, health care, foreign policy and a whole host of issues. The sooner she gives a TV interview the sooner people know who she is instead of the news outlets telling us who she is.
Couldn't find it on Fox News.
If there was a black version of McCain he wouldn't get my vote (well...if he was running in Canada).
Obama has quit that church and denounced his pastor. Palin has remained silent over her past.
No governor has no authority to command their troops outside of their state. The national guard is federalized to be sent to other states for assistance just like when being sent overseas. Even the service commander of the alaskan national guard said that the governor gave him power to act on his own.
"The recent decision to deploy a C-17 cargo plane from the Alaska Air National Guard to Louisiana to assist during the Hurricane Gustav response was an occasion in which Campbell briefed the governor's office and sought its approval, he said. Chief of Staff Mike Nizich signed off on it."
McClatchy Washington Bureau | 09/04/2008 | Official: Palin's never issued an order to Alaska Guard
I'm sure people said Hillary would be running in this election as well, Obama sure showed them.
You criticized Obama for not looking out for the people and only looking out for himself...so your ideals are completely different?
Because no one knows who she is! The people don't know what her views are on economy, health care, foreign policy and a whole host of issues. The sooner she gives a TV interview the sooner people know who she is instead of the news outlets telling us who she is.
Couldn't find it on Fox News.
If there was a black version of McCain he wouldn't get my vote (well...if he was running in Canada).
Obama has quit that church and denounced his pastor. Palin has remained silent over her past.
This isn't about learning about religions or cultures, this is about creationism being taught alongside evolution in science classes.
Isn't that what church is for? It's still a waste of money, time and resources.
The theory of evolution isn't a "view", it's a scientific theory.
Some people believe the earth is flat, but that has no place in a geography class. Some people think the holocaust never happened, but that has no place in a history class. If you bombarded kids with every "view" out there, they wouldn't leave school until age 60.
Holding hands and getting a tattoo? Well that must be true love.
But "God did it" isn't a theory, because it can't be disproved (among other reasons).
Evolution is a theory and can be disproved, but hasn't been.
The absolute bottom line is, creationism isn't science and should under no circumstances be taught in science classes alongside evolution. Which is what Palin wants.
EDIT:
Neither has the theory of gravity. You believe in gravity, right? Theories can't be proved, only disproved.
Isn't that what church is for? It's still a waste of money, time and resources.
The theory of evolution isn't a "view", it's a scientific theory.
Some people believe the earth is flat, but that has no place in a geography class. Some people think the holocaust never happened, but that has no place in a history class. If you bombarded kids with every "view" out there, they wouldn't leave school until age 60.
Holding hands and getting a tattoo? Well that must be true love.
But "God did it" isn't a theory, because it can't be disproved (among other reasons).
Evolution is a theory and can be disproved, but hasn't been.
The absolute bottom line is, creationism isn't science and should under no circumstances be taught in science classes alongside evolution. Which is what Palin wants.
EDIT:
Neither has the theory of gravity. You believe in gravity, right? Theories can't be proved, only disproved.
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