Official Euro 2008 thread.

2Pax

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Once upon a time this thread was about Euro 2008. Joking.

Thats a pretty good point that's been brought up, it's the same when my friends say Muhammed Ali was the greatest boxer ever, but they weren't even watching him back then, and I say it's pretty unfair to make such a judgement from watching Youtube clips.
 

Bobby Sands

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Maradona was a star anywhere he went. Didn't matter what club he'd go to. He'd win titles. You could have sent him off to Genk and he would do the same wonders he did with Napoli. He established himself in 3 leagues. Argentina, Spain and Italy all strong leagues, especially Italy in the 80s and 90s which was a cluster fuck of World Class players in each team.

Where was Pele? Oh yah... I remember, jiggling his balls at Santos then NY Cosmos. Horrah.....

The way I see it, if you can prove yourself in many leagues, you're not the greatest. It's very easy to be #1 in a certain league, that's like Dudu still being in the Croatian league for 15 yrs. He's outdone his potential and grew larger than he league itself. That's is what Pele did, he outgrew his league and stayed there. I might as well play with U-15s and I'll score 500 goals in 450 matches also.

Both very talented though, but Maradona takes it by a mile. Dude goes clubbing, gets wasted, doesn't sleep, doesn't go to training. Plays in the match and becomes man of the match. That's just being larger than life.

That's my 2 cents.
Most of the 1970 Brazil team were based in the Brazilian League. So you could argue that some of the best players in the world were playing in the brazilian league. It wasnt as common for South Americans to move to Europe back then as it is nowadays. The Brazil league was one of the best in the world in Pele's time. Nowadays, nearly every decent South American footballer moves to Europe.
 

hizzle?

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^^ I agree about the 'Zilian league. Back then, going to Europe was not that much, but he went to freaking New York Cosmos... I mean... NEW YORK COSMOS.... Maradonna went to Barcelona and was sick then went to Napoli(an average team) and made them one of the sickest teams in Europe...

What did Pele do? He scored goals in New Jersey.
 

Flipmo

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I'm not shitting on the Brazilian league back in the days, I'm fully aware of the talent that it has... but cmon. From Santos to NY Cosmos.

Like Hizzle said...
Maradona went from sick Barcelona to average Napoli and turned it into a monster...Pele was scoring in New Jerseys for Americans that didn't know much about the sport. It's like taking a step down in your career, where as if you want to be in the best world, you take on larger and larger obstacles.

Without even looking at talent, just put the figures together. You can clearly see who above who.

1. Maradona
2. Pele

Any day of the week for me, but thats a matter of opinion I guess.
 

Bobby Sands

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Yea but Pele moved there at the age of 35, to finish his career. Best and Cruyff did the same.

Pele loved Santos. he stayed loyal to them for most of his career. no harm in that.

But i agree, i think Maradona is the best because of what you said.
 

tHuG $TyLe

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Well Pele went on many European tours with Santos and owned some European sides. He was strictly in Brazil, teams around the world wanted to play Santos because of Pele.

Pele going to USA isn't really relevant as he was semi retired pretty much.
 

Sebastian

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I cant really understand how you guys are so sure about Maradona being better than Pele.

Can you please list Maradonas achievements? As in league titles etc...
 

Flipmo

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There is nothing wrong with being loyal to your club. Totti has done it, as has the gentleman Maldini. I personally like loyalty to a club, but the facts are still there. Maradona performs in every club. He went out there and made himself the best.

As for his accomplishments, I can name em, but I'll just copy paste since it's 2:20am and I'm tired and drunk. Seb doesnt get drunk so he wouldn't know about that. (I love you German fuck face) hihihi.

1978-80 Named top goal-scorer of the Metropolitan League
with Argentinos Juniors

1979 Named South American Player of the Year

1979-80 Named "Olimpia de gold" as the best Argentine sportsman of the year (Círculo de Periodistad Deportivos)

1979-81 Won "The Golden Ball" as the best soccer player of the year by the Fédération Internationale de Football Association (FIFA)

1983 Won Spanish King's Cup with Barcelona

1986 Became World Champion with the Argentinian National Team

1986 Named "Olimpia de plata" as the best Argentine soccer player of the year (Círculo de Periodistad Deportivos)

1986 Won "The Golden Ball" as the best soccer player of the World Cup (FIFA)

1987, 1990 Won Italian League Crown with Naples team (first ever south Italian club to ever win it)

1988 Was top goal-scorer of the Italian League with Naples team

1989 Won European Soccer Union Cup (UEFA CUP) with Naples

1993 Named "Olimpia de plata" as the best Argentine soccer player of century (Círculo de Periodistad Deportivos)

1999 Named "Olimpia de plata" as the best Argentine sportsman of the century (Círculo de Periodistad Deportivos)

2000 Won FIFA Internet voting for best soccer player of the century

Not bad if you ask me...

By the way, George Best is the man.

"I used to go missing a lot...Miss Canada, Miss United Kingdom, Miss World." - George Best.

LOL
 

hizzle?

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Yeah he was a free player, creative and had fun on the field... I'm not surprised that a German footballer doesn't appreciate him.
 

tHuG $TyLe

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^LOL.

Although titles mean alot, althpugh Vitor Baia is the most succesful player right? He's nowhere near the best goalkeeper ever.
 

Sebastian

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Yeah he was a free player, creative and had fun on the field... I'm not surprised that a German footballer doesn't appreciate him.
Somehow i cant look past his moronic character.

^LOL.

Although titles mean alot, althpugh Vitor Baia is the most succesful player right? He's nowhere near the best goalkeeper ever.
Today i read that Baia and Pele have won the same amount of titles: 32.
 

Bobby Sands

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Actually, im not impressed by what Maradona has achieved.

You are not impressed by a player that who almost single handedly guides his team to a world cup? thats a pity. but you were impressed by Luca Toni's 30 or so goals in the bundesliga last season right. lmfao

I know you are a Maradona hater because you have made negative comments about him before. How can you not be impressed by a player who scoops the ball over a defenders head and lashes it in to roof of the net before it hits the ground again. Look at him when he was dribbling with the ball. he never looks at the ball. He is always scanning whats ahead to make the pass or run nealry the length of the field and score like he did against England in a world cup quarter final against a pretty good team.It isnt just his achievements either. It is how he played the game and his performances in big matches.

Oh wait guys what are we saying, Muller and Beckenbaur are the greatest :rolleyes:

What moronic behaviour? His drug addiction?.God help you if you grew up in the slums of Buenos Aires. You might not be so neat and tidy then. Thats some comment to make when talking about a footballer. lol

What about the Bayern Munich legend Stefan Effenburg? Did he not have a "moronic character" as well?

What about the diver Jurgen Klinsmann

or the german goalkeeper, Harold Schumacher who nearly killed a french forward on the pitch.

none of them had moronic characters had they?

In fact, Maradona's drug addiction and erratic behavior (obviously related to his cocaine addiction) endears him to me more because it shows that the guy was just human.
 

Sebastian

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You are not impressed by a player that who almost single handedly guides his team to a world cup? thats a pity. but you were impressed by Luca Toni's 30 or so goals in the bundesliga last season right. lmfao
Ok, wait a minute. I know you get all sensible when it comes to footy so im gonna be polite:

I said impressed by his achievemnts, meaning the titles he has won. Sure there are other players who have won more than he did. This says nothing about him being a great football player or not, but thats not what i denied with my statement anyway.

I cant remember having said that i was impressed by Toni scoring 24 (not 30) goals in his first season.

Single handedly? Dont know about that. I havent seen the world cup in 86.

I know you are a Maradona hater because you have made negative comments about him before. How can you not be impressed by a player who scoops the ball over a defenders head and lashes it in to roof of the net before it hits the ground again. Look at him when he was dribbling with the ball. he never looks at the ball. He is always scanning whats ahead to make the pass or run nealry the length of the field and score like he did against England in a world cup quarter final against a pretty good team.It isnt just his achievements either. It is how he played the game and his performances in big matches.
Let me clear up something: Of course im impressed by the football player Diego Armando Maradona. Anyone who is not, is a fool. And again, i never said im not impressed by him as a player.

Oh wait guys what are we saying, Muller and Beckenbaur are the greatest :rolleyes:
Usually when it comes to the debate of who was the best ever, four names are brought up: Pele, Maradona, Cruyff, Beckenbauer.

Do you see something? Right, three of them are offensive players and Beckenbauer is the only one who isnt. That alone shows what an outstanding guy he was, as a player. - And no, im not saying he is the best ever.

What about the Bayern Munich legend Stefan Effenburg? Did he not have a "moronic character" as well?
No?

What about the diver Jurgen Klinsmann
Yeah, what about him? Im interested to hear it...

or the german goalkeeper, Harold Schumacher who nearly killed a french forward on the pitch.

none of them had moronic characters had they?
Comparing them to Maradona (character/personality wise) is moronic in itself.

In fact, Maradona's drug addiction and erratic behavior (obviously related to his cocaine addiction) endears him to me more because it shows that the guy was just human.
No shit, the guy way human? God help you if you needed his drug addiction to realise it.

Edit: What an ownage.

Edit 2: Kinda funny, some hours ago i watched a show about the 25 best players ever. It was voted by german people and therefore some german players were listed. Still, i expected Pele to come in first, but he was only on third place. Second was Beckenbauer....and first, yeah, Maradona.

One of the people they interviewed was Rudi Völler. And when it came to Maradona he said: "The best ever? Of course, Maradona, no doubt about that! Or what do you think, eh? - Ronaldinho, ha, im laughing my ass off. Did you see what Maradona could do with the ball? Did you see that? C'mon, hes the best!!!"
 

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