Official Euro 2008 thread.
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Yea Ballack is among the best although his performances have been very over-rated recently. He barley kicked a ball against Turkey and was also very poor in the Croatia game. For me Fabregas is the best central midfield player in the world right now but thats my opinion. Some agree and some dont. although John Giles (one of the greatest central Midfielders in the history of English league football) thinks so as well.
Yeah but Pele is the greatest footballer (debatable i know) but he comes out with some fucking dumb shit. Maradona thinks Rooney is the worlds best player, better than Kaka. So yeah..some great players of the past, their opinions means shit. 
Even current players like Benzema have some debatable opinions...although I like his "Ronaldo is the greatest player ever" opinion
Even current players like Benzema have some debatable opinions...although I like his "Ronaldo is the greatest player ever" opinion
True.
First of all, its nearly impossible tu say who is the best player ever, for various reasons. One of them being the fact that you cant compare football from fourty years ago with todays football. It has changed so much. And who knows, maybe someone who is playing today, with his talent, might have fit better into the style of playing football some decades ago and therefore might have achieved even more.
Or (im not sure if its true though) what about the fact that players of todays generation have to suffer from injuries more often than those in, lets say, the 60's? I mean, take Ronaldo for example, the guy was just great but look through his career and you see that he had some major inuries which prevented him from achieveing even more. And one cause for his problems is that football is so much more physical today than "football from yesterday". I hope you guys see what i want to say.
Anyway, there are probably a few more reasons why its so hard to compare players from the past and present.
With regard to my earlier point: I my opinion the vast majority of what we see in tv about those big stars from yesterday, are the positive, outstanding things they have done. But what about the other side?
If you follow football today, you actually know about the weak phases some players have and it changes the way you look at them. This opposite side is missing when it comes to your judgement about Maradona and Co.
Nonetheless, i dont doubt that Pele for example, is among the best players ever. Obviously.
First of all, its nearly impossible tu say who is the best player ever, for various reasons. One of them being the fact that you cant compare football from fourty years ago with todays football. It has changed so much. And who knows, maybe someone who is playing today, with his talent, might have fit better into the style of playing football some decades ago and therefore might have achieved even more.
Or (im not sure if its true though) what about the fact that players of todays generation have to suffer from injuries more often than those in, lets say, the 60's? I mean, take Ronaldo for example, the guy was just great but look through his career and you see that he had some major inuries which prevented him from achieveing even more. And one cause for his problems is that football is so much more physical today than "football from yesterday". I hope you guys see what i want to say.
Anyway, there are probably a few more reasons why its so hard to compare players from the past and present.
With regard to my earlier point: I my opinion the vast majority of what we see in tv about those big stars from yesterday, are the positive, outstanding things they have done. But what about the other side?
If you follow football today, you actually know about the weak phases some players have and it changes the way you look at them. This opposite side is missing when it comes to your judgement about Maradona and Co.
Nonetheless, i dont doubt that Pele for example, is among the best players ever. Obviously.
Maradona is the best player ever imo. Some of my earliest memories of watching football are of him in action.Obviously i havent followed his whole career. I have also watched a lot of the games he played in for Argentina and Napoli. My dad who has seen a lot of football, always sayes that Maradona was the greatest.I think he is the best because i like that type of player. but others will say Pele who also great.Its hard to call.
My father said Maradona was the best also, although he did say Ronaldo at Barcelona was just as good, if not better, but he didnt stay at that level for long enough.
If I made a list I cannot pick players just on reputation or clips ive seen over the years, surely they were great players but I cannot claim they are without seeing them week in week out.
If I made a list I cannot pick players just on reputation or clips ive seen over the years, surely they were great players but I cannot claim they are without seeing them week in week out.
Football is more physical now? I dont think so. Look at clips of old games and you will see much harder tackles and tougher players. There was no substitutes back in the old days either.
What about Marco Van Basten? He had to retire when he was 29 because of an achilles injury(Fuck that bastard Basile Boli!!!) Holland may have won the World Cup in 94 if they had him. One of the greatest ever.
its a good point you make though. But lets say Pele was playing today. He would still be great because he would have the same level of fitness as today's players.
What about Marco Van Basten? He had to retire when he was 29 because of an achilles injury(Fuck that bastard Basile Boli!!!) Holland may have won the World Cup in 94 if they had him. One of the greatest ever.
its a good point you make though. But lets say Pele was playing today. He would still be great because he would have the same level of fitness as today's players.
I compare them to players around them.
Let's just say that when Pele played, defenders never came onto the attackers when they had the ball, they gave them a lot of space. Pele had like 5 hours to do what he wanted to do.
I'll give him that he was the best player of his era. But to compare his talent to Maradonna's is crazy. And I watched about 10 matches of each player because I was really intrigued at how players played in different eras.
Let's just say that when Pele played, defenders never came onto the attackers when they had the ball, they gave them a lot of space. Pele had like 5 hours to do what he wanted to do.
I'll give him that he was the best player of his era. But to compare his talent to Maradonna's is crazy. And I watched about 10 matches of each player because I was really intrigued at how players played in different eras.
I think it a matter of opinion who was the best, Maradona or Pele. Both were unbelievable. hizzle, Of course Pele's talent is comparable to Maradona's. I think Maradona is the greatest because he played a massive roll in Argentina's world cup triumph in 1986. This Argentina team was good but apart from Maradona they were nothing special. He lifted that team to become World Champions. Same goes for his exploits at Napoli although they had other good players like Careca,Giordano and Ferrara. On the other hand Pele was surrounded by great players in those Brazil teams.
Maradona was a star anywhere he went. Didn't matter what club he'd go to. He'd win titles. You could have sent him off to Genk and he would do the same wonders he did with Napoli. He established himself in 3 leagues. Argentina, Spain and Italy all strong leagues, especially Italy in the 80s and 90s which was a cluster fuck of World Class players in each team.
Where was Pele? Oh yah... I remember, jiggling his balls at Santos then NY Cosmos. Horrah.....
The way I see it, if you can prove yourself in many leagues, you're not the greatest. It's very easy to be #1 in a certain league, that's like Dudu still being in the Croatian league for 15 yrs. He's outdone his potential and grew larger than he league itself. That's is what Pele did, he outgrew his league and stayed there. I might as well play with U-15s and I'll score 500 goals in 450 matches also.
Both very talented though, but Maradona takes it by a mile. Dude goes clubbing, gets wasted, doesn't sleep, doesn't go to training. Plays in the match and becomes man of the match. That's just being larger than life.
That's my 2 cents.
Where was Pele? Oh yah... I remember, jiggling his balls at Santos then NY Cosmos. Horrah.....
The way I see it, if you can prove yourself in many leagues, you're not the greatest. It's very easy to be #1 in a certain league, that's like Dudu still being in the Croatian league for 15 yrs. He's outdone his potential and grew larger than he league itself. That's is what Pele did, he outgrew his league and stayed there. I might as well play with U-15s and I'll score 500 goals in 450 matches also.
Both very talented though, but Maradona takes it by a mile. Dude goes clubbing, gets wasted, doesn't sleep, doesn't go to training. Plays in the match and becomes man of the match. That's just being larger than life.
That's my 2 cents.
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