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Fans Gear Up for 'Grand Theft Auto IV'

At midnight Tuesday, thousands of gamers will pack into consumer electronics stores across the country to snag their copy of the most anticipated -- and potentially most controversial -- video game of the year: "Grand Theft Auto IV."

The long-awaited latest installment of the often lambasted series has a plotline similar to past games: Players are submerged in an urban criminal underworld, where they must shoot, rob and kill their way through the fictional Liberty City, a near-exact replica of New York City.

The insanely popular video game franchise has become more popular with each new edition of the series. According to NPD Group, the original, which came out in 1997, and newer versions of the game, sold 1 million and 1.2 million copies, respectively. "GTA 3" went on to sell 6.2 million units, "GTA: Vice City" sold 7.2 million and "GTA: San Andreas" sold 9.2 million. Compilation packs alone racked up another 7 million in sales.

"Grand Theft Auto IV" is expected to be no different. Take-Two Interactive, the game's publisher, has reportedly said it projects that the game will hit $400 million in sales within the first week.

"I would expect it to be one of the top-selling games of the year, if not the top-selling game," NPD analyst Anita Frazier wrote in an e-mail. "It's interesting that while previous GTA games have been platform exclusive at launch, this is the first time that it will be available on [PS3 and Xbox] simultaneously, making it available to a potentially bigger audience."

Groudbreaking Technology

Brian Crecente, managing editor of video game blog Kotaku, attributes "GTA's" place in pop culture to one thing: the franchise's innovation.

"GTA the franchise was the first mainstream game to popularize 'sandbox gaming.' It's a type of game where you don't have to follow the linear path created by developers. ... With sandbox games, you have that world that's created, and you can do what you want in that world," Crecente said. "The production value is through the roof. They really spend their time crafting these games, and it shows."

Crecente, who also reviews video games for a newspaper, spent five days last week locked in a hotel room with the newest version of the game.

"I ended up playing a little under 40 hours," he said. "I'm a gamer, and I write about games, but that's not something I normally do. ... "I think that everyone's expectations will be met with the game."

Crecente said that what makes the new "Grand Theft Auto" a standout is its ability to allow players to play online with their friends.

According to Crecente's blog, Microsoft is already reinforcing its server capacity to prepare for potential online game play on its Xbox 360.

Retailers Prep for Launch

Microsoft isn't the only one preparing for the big launch. Best Buy and Game Spot are holding midnight openings across the country. Circuit City is offering $10 gift cards to customers who preorder.

Justin McElroy, a West Virginia-based editor at the video game blog Joystiq, was on his way to preorder the game earlier this week.

"I'm excited to play it. ... I think I'm probably like a lot of people. Fifty percent want to play the game, and 50 percent" want to interact with other gamers, McElroy said. "Buying a game at the same time as everybody else is the closest we get to a mass social experience sometimes."

McElroy, who has played every incarnation of the game except for "GTA IV," said he loves the innovations the franchise has developed over the years.

"In most games, there's a fairly linear structure. You're going from task to task. [In "GTA"], there's always tons of things to do," he said. "They put a lot of time and a lot of care and a lot of craftsmanship into the game. The whole experience is fun even if the game was designed for you to play straight through it."

Choose Your Own Soundtrack

Another innovation is a revamp of the title's in-game radio. In "Grand Theft Auto IV," players will be able to buy the songs on their in-game radio from Amazon.com, allowing them to pick what type of music they listen to as they drive.

Ben Kuchera, gaming editor of tech blog Ars Technica, believes this and other music games like "Rock Band" could signal a new method for digital music distribution.

"I know 13-year-olds now listening to Deep Purple because of 'Rock Band.' I think this is a powerful tool to boost catalog music back into people's consciousness," Kuchera said. "It's a really interesting approach."

But the franchise's innovation isn't always received positively. "Grand Theft Auto" has drawn ire from critics for years, not only for its violent and sexual content (in one version, players get points for having sex with prostitutes) but also for hidden, hackable content that some critics say would have increased its rating from M (Mature) to AO (Adults Only).

In "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas," for instance, developers embedded a minigame called "Hot Coffee" in which the player could invite his girlfriend in for "coffee" and have sex with her.

Some Critics Concerned

In advance of its debut, "Grand Theft Auto IV" has already inspired controversy. Last week, the Chicago Transit Authority removed "GTA IV" ads from its buses. Similarly, several politicians, including New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, and parent groups have already voiced concern.

To this, Kuchera cries prejudice.

"I could point you to five games that are on the market that have worse content than 'Grand Theft Auto,' but for some reason those don't get the press," he said. "This game is such a lightning rod. There's so much harsher things out there that it's easier for kids to get their hands on."

Crecente agrees.

"It is a violent game, but it isn't any more violent than [the movie] 'Scarface,'" he said. "[Gaming] is going through the same trial by fire that comics and music and movies had to go through, as it makes its way to mainstream entertainment from a niche."
 

S O F I

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It might be sunny outside. You should go and check...maybe get some Vitamin D in you in the meantime. :D

I'm just jealous because I really want to play this game and I don't have a ps3.
 

masta247

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hah I already played gta4 at the mall today :D
Some people are already waiting to buy it.

I'm definately getting ps3 for this. xbox version looks wack, like some fucking cartoon compared to the ps3 real-life-like version

Dude from my class downloaded it a few days ago and he nearly passed it already.
 
hah I already played gta4 at the mall today :D
Some people are already waiting to buy it.

I'm definately getting ps3 for this. xbox version looks wack, like some fucking cartoon compared to the ps3 real-life-like version

Dude from my class downloaded it a few days ago and he nearly passed it already.
lol He must be playing it non stop
 
According to the IGN review the PS3 version is the better performer.



For those wanting to know which version looks better, the edge goes to the PS3. The textures and framerate are comparable, but the PS3 has far less pop-in.

While GTA IV is pushing the PS3 and 360 to the limit, it also runs amazingly well. Sure, there are framerate hitches here and there and (particularly on 360) there is some texture pop-in, but it actually runs better than I expected.

The 360 has richer colors, but the PS3 has better anti-aliasing making it look a little cleaner. Because GTA IV can preload onto the PS3 hard drive, the in-game loads are faster. Don't worry Xbox owners, the load times are rarely more than 30 seconds and don't occur very often. The slight visual edge goes to PS3, but the 360 is no slouch. Either version will do you proud.
 

Rukas

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PS3 looks a bit better but its hardly a PS2/Xbox type difference, its more of a lighting difference and is nothing major etc etc.

Ive got my PS3 preorder at ebgames and put in a 360 order 2 days ago because I want to play it on Xbox Live thats more important to me.
 

Rukas

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360 PS3 comparison video

[youtube]ZOdUZSFAKVM[/youtube]

PS3's colors are more washed out, as always, so it gives it more of a washed out cinema effect which for this type of game is really cool in my opinion. But masta I really cant see why you would be saying the 360 version looks cartoony thats just odd. Both versions look nearly identical.

Also, I want the downloadable content that the 360 will get, which is apparently maps the size of San Andreas, and the PS3 isnt going to get. As well as Live multiplayer.

So I will have the PS3 with GTA4 in the studio and 360 at home where I can fuck around online.

But if I could only get one I would go the 360, the graphics issue is MINOR, I prefer the controller, and I want the downloadable missions and content plus multiplayer play.

Ill do a direct comparison when I get my copies. Please keep in mind though I dont recommend buying both, I can do these things because I can and have money to waste on dumb shit like this lol.

If you only have a PS3 go with that one. If you only have a 360 go with that one. If you can choose, Id go the 360 purely for the downloadble content.
 
I don't think that's a comparison vid, I don't know who the hell made that, it's a clip of the first teaser trailer. Wasn't actually stated that it was running on any hardware.

The vid was posted Feb 1st
 
Here's another opinion from a different site

Our Take: We’ll keep it simple as we’ve compared both the 360 and PS3 ones extensively during previews. The 360 one, contrary to the early previews and as of the latest preview stages, is a bit darker and has a few AA issues to this day. Overall a little more toned out so to say in terms of the color hue. There isn’t much contrast as there is more saturation, which does tend to wash out the colors a tiny bit, which is noticeable if you compare it to the PS3 that comes with a more vivid color palette and softer edges. The washed out colors somewhat help to mask the AA issues on the 360 though, so it seems to match up with the PS3 relatively. That is quite possibly the best explanation you guys will ever get. No bullsh*t here.

GTA IV: PS3 Or 360? -Judge With Truthful Evidence » WhatIfGaming
 

Rukas

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Here's another opinion from a different site

Our Take: We’ll keep it simple as we’ve compared both the 360 and PS3 ones extensively during previews. The 360 one, contrary to the early previews and as of the latest preview stages, is a bit darker and has a few AA issues to this day. Overall a little more toned out so to say in terms of the color hue. There isn’t much contrast as there is more saturation, which does tend to wash out the colors a tiny bit, which is noticeable if you compare it to the PS3 that comes with a more vivid color palette and softer edges. The washed out colors somewhat help to mask the AA issues on the 360 though, so it seems to match up with the PS3 relatively. That is quite possibly the best explanation you guys will ever get. No bullsh*t here.

GTA IV: PS3 Or 360? -Judge With Truthful Evidence » WhatIfGaming
Yeah the shits almost identical.

For me its kind of like this. If I just had a 360 I would be happy. But if I just had a PS3, Id be so tempted to buy a 360 just for the GTA4 downloadable content. The developers have said it will be story based missions and each will take about 10 hours to complete. Thats pretty amazing considering that most games take about 10 hours to complete, and these are downloadable add ons.

I dont know about you but that is just a really revolutionary concept for me that I cant help but be a part of.

The small graphics differences, which all the reviews say are not major at all, dont really matter to me.

But like I said Ill do a proper comparison of the two next week.
 

masta247

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I played a bit on 360 arcade + Samsung 37' lcd tv and ps3 with Sony 42' lcd tv, both in full hd.
There was not THAT big difference but imo it was a difference worth getting ps3 version instead of the 360 version.
The Ps3 version looked closer to real life while 360 version looked kinda "oversaturated" in a bad way. Colors looked cartoony. It just didn't have that feel to it.
Also when I was standing near some bridge and looked around I could see textures loading on 360 combined with a little fps drop. It took about 1-1.5 second till I could see fe. a building on the horizon while ps3 generated it in an unnoticable way and had a still fps rate.

So it was not THAT big difference but I have to say that ps3 version clearly looks better from what I saw.
 

Rukas

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I played a bit on 360 arcade + Samsung 37' lcd tv and ps3 with Sony 42' lcd tv, both in full hd.
There was not THAT big difference but imo it was a difference worth getting ps3 version instead of the 360 version.
The Ps3 version looked closer to real life while 360 version looked kinda "oversaturated" in a bad way. Colors looked cartoony. It just didn't have that feel to it.
Also when I was standing near some bridge and looked around I could see textures loading on 360 combined with a little fps drop. It took about 1-1.5 second till I could see fe. a building on the horizon while ps3 generated it in an unnoticable way and had a still fps rate.

So it was not THAT big difference but I have to say that ps3 version clearly looks better from what I saw.
Well, you have to remember that the TV does make a difference. As for the load in, meh shit happens I guess, Ill just preinstall the data onto my 360 hard drive and solve that "problem" if it bothers me on the 360. And it may very well piss me off considering Ill be playing on both systems and so will be used to the PS3s graphics.

To me though, still, if I had to choose just one; downloadable content and better multiplayer > less texture pop up. So Id go with the 360 on this one.
 
Better multiplayer? How so?

PS3 is getting some downloadable content but 360 gets two episodes roughly about 10 hours each. Only time will tell how good those end up being.
 

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