I Need to Change My Lifestyle Soon

Jokerman

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#61
Let me answer someone's earlier two questions. Why do vegetarians need vitamins, and why do dieticians and doctors recommend meat in the diet?

1. Many vegetarians take vitamins because they've learned something about nutrition and realize that we all need more vitamins and minerals than we can reasonably get from the food we eat, especially given how denatured and over-processed most of it is. Our soil is getting worse and worse, and foods grown in it have less nutrients than a generation ago. Food processing leeches the nutrients out of things like wheat and gives us white bread. Then they "fortify" it with one tenth of what they removed and we're supposed to feel fortified. Another reason everyone should take supplements is that some nutrients, such as Vitamin E, are valuble in large doses--doses far greater than the amounts you could ever get only from your food. So, for instance, last week, the biggest review of the role of vitamin D in health found that people who took supplements of the vitamin for six years reduced their risk of dying from all causes. That's just one vitamin and one study. I've found about 5,000 studies showing the efficacy of supplemention in the medical literature.

As for vegetarians specifically, most start on a vegetarian diet by giving up meat. But they usually don't know jack about nutrition or non-meat foods. So until they learn more and incorporate more whole foods into their diet, they do know it would be wise to supplement. Their major concern would be in getting their B vitamins, calcium and possibly iron. But after a little research, they'll find they can get those from vegetarian sources. But, anyway, as I said, they and everyone else should continue to take supplements anyway.


2. Many doctors and dieticians recommend meat as part of a diet because they are simply clueless when it comes to diet. And if they do know better, they also know that most of their patients don't want to hear about change and taking responsibility for their own health. They just don't want to burden them with it, and they might be right. But most doctors have had virtually no training in diet and nutrition. However, that has started to change in the last 10 years as more and more mainstream doctors have been losing patients to nutrition-oriented alternative doctors who have been having a better cure rate than them. But, still, what they get in medical school is merely a crash course in nutrition whose content has been approved by special interest groups like the meat, diary, and sugar industries. They've also been trained to treat illnesses with drugs, not diet or lifestyle change. Are doctors healthy? The most unhealthiest group of people out there. And then the pharmaceutical industry has a tight reign around medicine, but that's too big a story to tell here. Dieticians' education is little better for the same reasons. I've read their textbooks. Their information is about 30 years old. They are nutritional Neanderthals thanks to these special interest groups.

Is a field that profits from you being sick going to put much focus on things that help prevent you from getting sick?
 
#62
well you focused a lot on the fact that i mentioned doctors, and i would agree with you on that one, that when it comes to nutrition, most doctors only know the bargain basement basics. but what about nutritionists and dieticians? i've known some people who thought they needed to change the way they eat and went to see dieticians. and do you know what they were told? that a good mix of meat (less fat filled meats like chicken breast, etc.) and fruits/vegetables is the best way to go. going completely vegetarian is healthier than eating nothing but meat, but it is by no means completely healthy.

i just find it funny how Casey sits here and pontificates how much healthier he is than those who eat meat, and yet he's a smoker! cigarettes are 100 times worse for you than any meat, but those are ok, and meat is bad? any health benefits you think you're getting from being a vegetarian are negated by the thousands of carcinogens you pull into your lungs with every drag of a smoke.
 

masta247

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Staff member
#63
When I trained ju-jitsu there was a dietetist who told us what to eat and what not to eat. She said the perfect dinner consists of chicken & potatoes with salad and glass of red wine. Anyway muscles can't function properly without protein.
Of course there are vegetables like bean etc. that have it in them but protein in best form, best for organism is in chicken.

I also really enjoy studying biology, I know some things about diet so I rarely eat beef or pork but I eat a lot of chicken, that's my most important part of diet (not from mass mega-farms tho, we don't have any of those here, fortunately our meat is straight from farmers who sell their meat on markets or in small shops, also using hormones is strictly forbidden here, but personally I eat chickens straight from my grandpa)

Also it's funny how people criticise fast foods. Eating once or twice kfc or mc donalds food per month won't make you die in pain lol it does mean people who eat there daily, in stressful break from work etc.

But I said it 3 times before: If you really want to care about diet SO much that you decide not to eat any meat first: stop smoking, stop drinking alcohol, coke, sweet fruit juices, sleep 9 hours/day in constant hours from 10pm to 7am, run 1 hour every day keeping constant heartbeat, don't eat not natural sugar, don't use much salt, take a walk instead of driving, don't stress etc. etc. etc.

Actually the fact that you're reading this is 10000 times more unhealthy than eating meat because:

1. You're eye accomodation is being fucked now because of looking at one constant distance
2. You're gaining fat, sitting still and doing nothing
3. You're stooping and your spine won't take it too long.
4. above average luminescence is bad for your eyes too
5. You're wasting your eyes sharpness, especially if you have a crt monitor
6. If you disagree with me you're probably stressing and irritating - it's 10000000 more unhealthy than eating meat
period
 

Jokerman

Well-Known Member
#64
A lot of vegetarians are not healthy. Not because they don't eat meat, but because they continue to eat junk food. And many are emotionally toxic because they're anally retentive over the animal cruelty issue and think they are holier than thou.

When I talk about diet, I'm trying to help people make a change, not trying to be right. I'm not going to insult the food they eat by saying it's disgusting. There's no better way to make them close up and react back. And we saw that with Militant in the other thread.

I don't say all or nothing. I gave them an opening to consider change. I talk about organic meat. It would be a big first step alone for the average meat eater to actually start looking for and buying grass-fed meat, let alone give it up. This then might lead them to taking more of an interest in what they eat and eventually lead to a more vetetarian-based diet. But if someone is to give something a consideration, it needs to be given respectfully. And if they are to make a change, it has to be at their own pace. Everyone I know who has made a change in their diet because of me has done it by seeing what I eat and asking me questions about it. I then politely explain my reasons for what I'm eating or not eating. Before long, they're coming to me telling me of some change they made in their diet and looking all proud. (That's when I call them a murderer and condemn them to hell.)

Any change is better than no change, and a long journey begins one step at a time.
 
#66
Casey Rain.. Your long drawn out posts fighting for vegetarianism are nice and all... But you continue to dig yourself deeper and deeper and you continue to get shitted on. Chronic's first post > all of your posts combined. :)
 

Casey

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Staff member
#68
I'm sorry, I thought you just said Casey Rain.
he did. i am holier than thou and emotionally toxic. i will poison you with my toxicity motherfucker. i got more toxicity than my good buddy serj tankian, beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyatch


may u live 2 c the dawn
 

ill-matic

Well-Known Member
#69
he did. i am holier than thou and emotionally toxic. i will poison you with my toxicity motherfucker. i got more toxicity than my good buddy serj tankian, beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyatch


may u live 2 c the dawn
lmao . what a poser. this is just another bullshit "im gonna pretend to be crazy and talk rubbish to make it look like my losss hasnt hurt me."

you go from being so passionate, to defensive, to insulting, and now to this.

bwhahahahahahaha


poser.
 

Casey

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Staff member
#70
lmao . what a poser. this is just another bullshit "im gonna pretend to be crazy and talk rubbish to make it look like my losss hasnt hurt me."

you go from being so passionate, to defensive, to insulting, and now to this.

bwhahahahahahaha


poser.
you still lost. i'm a poser? whatever you say, big ol' Mr. "Can guys get laser surgery so they don't have to shave?"

ROFLMAO

chutney chaser
 

ill-matic

Well-Known Member
#71
you still lost. i'm a poser? whatever you say, big ol' Mr. "Can guys get laser surgery so they don't have to shave?"

ROFLMAO

chutney chaser
lmao, yaaa you are a poser. i toook you to school on this shit, and you know it. education baby. didnt you drop out of school or something? maybe you shouldnt have "chutney chaser" ;)

anywho, i dont understand what effect youre trying to make by bringing up shit from a year ago. if it meant i would never have to shave again for the rest of my life, id do it. oh hang on a second. is that gay? i can think of gayer things, like that photo of you with that long blonde hair. the cameron diaz look dont suit you, blondie
 

Casey

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Staff member
#72
lmao, yaaa you are a poser. i toook you to school on this shit, and you know it. education baby. didnt you drop out of school or something? maybe you shouldnt have "chutney chaser" ;)

anywho, i dont understand what effect youre trying to make by bringing up shit from a year ago. if it meant i would never have to shave again for the rest of my life, id do it. oh hang on a second. is that gay? i can think of gayer things, like that photo of you with that long blonde hair. the cameron diaz look dont suit you, blondie
nah i didn't drop out. i was expelled for slanging, but not before i got all my qualifications.

u didn't school nobody. no recess for you.

the blonde hair worked for me. the next time you get hit on by a princess, then maybe you can call me gay. until then, you aint on my level, sirrrrrrrr
 

ill-matic

Well-Known Member
#73
nah i didn't drop out. i was expelled for slanging, but not before i got all my qualifications.

u didn't school nobody. no recess for you.

the blonde hair worked for me. the next time you get hit on by a princess, then maybe you can call me gay. until then, you aint on my level, sirrrrrrrr
lol, princess? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. youre still gay, blondie.

edit: im done with this. this is my last reply to you. you aint worth my time baby spice
 

Casey

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#74
lol, princess? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. youre still gay, blondie.

edit: im done with this. this is my last reply to you. you aint worth my time baby spice
yep, an Indian princess descended from Lord Krishna himself supposedly, she lives in a big ass palace in India and flew over here on her private jet JUST to come to our gig in London.

gay? you wish, laser shave boy

keep on truckin, liberace lover
 

masta247

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#77
This thread is getting hilarous. Stop it already!

It's like "and my daddy has a bigger car than you" thing

just stop it lol
 
#78
gotta love it when 5 year olds fight. seriously guys, you're both acting like a couple of kids. i've seen some pretty childish shit on this board but this is really getting ridiculous lol
 
#79
man i was on some hard drugs for about 5 years..... so i understand addiction, whether its gambling or whatever..... youve just got to find something else that makes you happy and concentrate your time on that..... and about the physical thing, ya gotta give your body time to recoop, im just lucky i quit those things cause if not i prolly wouldnt make it to 30.. drinking and smoking are gonna kill ya, and do it slowly... but i still smoke so i cant really help ya there...
 

Tha_Wood

Underboss
Staff member
#80
i had a triple cheese burger tonight, and damn it was good. mili, how long have you been vegetarian, and dont you ever get the craving for meat?
 

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