I Need to Change My Lifestyle Soon

[ill-matic]

funny how i dont recall that. i doubt you even watched that video.

explain these two things to me then and maybe i'll listen. no further bullshity meat facts blah blah, just simple responses to these two points is all i am looking for.

a) carnivores have sharp teeth designed to rip flesh off animals. humans do not. i wonder why.

b) carnivorous animals have naturally fast digestive systems - this is so that the body doesn't absorb the harmful fats in the meat before they shit it out.

humans have a long digestive process. when humans eat meat they do not shit it out until it has taken enough time that the body has absorbed all the harmful fats which will build up and kill you.


riddle me that

A) Well that's simply because humans are not carnivores, and it was never suggested that humans were EVER carnivores. Humans are omnivores, which, if you are not already aware, means that the diet of humans consists of both plants and meats. During the evolutionary process humans had developed a jaw and teeth structure enabling them to consume both types of food. Furthermore, cooking with fire was a significant factor in altering the digestive, and oral factors attributed with the characteristics of an omnivore. Here's an extract from a pro-vegetarian website:

The short canines in humans are a functional consequence of the enlarged cranium and associated reduction of the size of the jaws. In primates, canines function as both defense weapons and visual threat devices. Interestingly, the primates with the largest canines (gorillas and gelada baboons) both have basically vegetarian diets. In archeological sites, broken human molars are most often confused with broken premolars and molars of pigs, a classic omnivore. On the other hand, some herbivores have well-developed incisors that are often mistaken for those of human teeth when found in archeological excavations.

And secondly,

Molars are broad flat teeth that are useful in grinding up tough fibrous
material - such as plants. Animals that are primarily plant eaters have
very large molars with six pairs (three uppers and three lowers) on each
side. Animals that do not specialize in eating plants tend to have a
reduced number of molars. Humans are equipped with six pairs of molars.
Although they are not very large, this would suggest that humans have the
ability to process fibrous plant food.

Premolars (bicuspids) are the slicing teeth. Mammals originally had eight
pairs of premolars, although most mammals alive today have fewer. Premolars
are the primary teeth used by meat eating specialists, and are frequently
missing in animals that specialize in plant foods. Humans have four pairs
of premolars, which suggests that humans have the ability to process animal
food.

Incisors are grasping teeth, that change shape depending upon how they are
used. The broad flat surfaces of human incisors is most associated with
animals that specialize in eating fruit.


This should be common knowledge. To even suggest that we shouldn't be eating meat by merely comparing our teeth structure to that of a carnivore is HIGHLY ludicrous, because humans were never carnivorous creatures.

In relation to your second point:

When humans switched to meat-eating, they triggered a genetic change that enabled better processing of fats, said Stanford, who has worked extensively with gerontologist Caleb Finch of USC.

"We have an obsession today with fat and cholesterol because we can go to the market and stuff ourselves with it," Stanford said. "But as a species we are relatively immune to the harmful effects of fat and cholesterol. Compared to the great apes, we can handle a diet that's high in fat and cholesterol, and the great apes cannot.

"Even though we have all these problems in terms of heart disease as we get older, if you give a gorilla a diet that a meat-loving man might eat in Western society, that gorilla will die when it's in its twenties; a normal life span might be 50. They just can't handle that kind of diet."

Taken from National Geographic - a more impartial source in comparison to your ideologically driven publications.

maybe, but yyourr ppoosssstt illlustrattttesss "jjjjjust" how gggreeeaatttt your sppppellliinnngggg is.

nice try grasshopper. the video was the tip of the iceberg. go ahead and run from the truth.

morality begins with what you put in your mouth.

LMAO! That was a typo you cockboy. It was a mere slip of the finger. Jesus, you pick me up on something as minor as that?? That's just pathetic. I might as well point out your incorrect use of words here, seeing as we're now playing Mr. English.

you say i don't acknowledge what is post is potentially subject to inconsistency, actually it's right on the mark. go ask ya dietician. in fact, go and ask jokerman.

.

Don't worry. I'm not gonna stoop to your level and use that obvious mistake to try make you appear stupid But for future reference, next time you want to take me up on my (obvious) typos, make sure your posts are flawless and don't contain any mistakes themselves, cos you'll look like a moron.

go ask ya dietician. in fact, go and ask jokerman.

Well at least Jokerman acknowledges that meats contain many benefits, unlike you who is so adamantely ignorant to what is fact. Let me remind you what he said:

I agree. This shouldn't be a yes meat no meat issue. Meat is food. There's positive and negative things about it, as there are with many non-meat sources of food.

There’s an increasing amount of research that shows there are many health and weight reasons to choose a more vegetarian-based diet. One problem is that most meat eaters are not eating meat because they're health nuts. They're eating it because they grew up that way and like the taste and it's readily available. It's the center of their meals. And that's a probelm, healthwise. Grains or vegetables should be the center and meat should be a side dish, if you choose to eat meat.

However, I would recommend that you seek out more "cleaner" organic grass-fed forms of animal protein because feed-lot raised animals have more pesticides, hormones, and antibiotics in them. Many supermarkets sell grass-fed meat for a slightly higher cost. But your health is worth it, don’t you think? And the more demand there is for it, the lower the cost. It also sends a message to feed-lot owners to clean up their act. Even if you still eat meat at fast-food places, at least you’ll be lowering the amounts of these chemicals you’re exposed to when you use it for yourself.

I would suggest we all continue to educate ourselves on diet, the foods we eat and their impact on our health, the economy, and the environment.

Atleast he is aware of both sides of the coin, so using him to validate your ignorance is pretty lame. Nice try buttercup

meat is unhealthy. it is immoral. therefore it will kill your body AND your soul. have a good time in the lake of fire, tell beelzebub i said whuzzzzzzzup.

And who are you, mster morality? get the fuck outta here with that rubbish. im not going to hell for eating a peice of meat, jesus. what fanatical contrived bullshit.

once again, i did a giant poop on your points.

 

[Casey]

A) Well that's simply because humans are not carnivores, and it was never suggested that humans were EVER carnivores. Humans are omnivores, which, if you are not already aware, means that the diet of humans consists of both plants and meats. During the evolutionary process humans had developed a jaw and teeth structure enabling them to consume both types of food. Furthermore, cooking with fire was a significant factor in altering the digestive, and oral factors attributed with the characteristics of an omnivore. Here's an extract from a pro-vegetarian website:

The short canines in humans are a functional consequence of the enlarged cranium and associated reduction of the size of the jaws. In primates, canines function as both defense weapons and visual threat devices. Interestingly, the primates with the largest canines (gorillas and gelada baboons) both have basically vegetarian diets. In archeological sites, broken human molars are most often confused with broken premolars and molars of pigs, a classic omnivore. On the other hand, some herbivores have well-developed incisors that are often mistaken for those of human teeth when found in archeological excavations.

Humans were not always omnivores. We did not always eat meat. The very first humans did not eat meat. It was a lazy choice made by some neanderthal.

And secondly,

Molars are broad flat teeth that are useful in grinding up tough fibrous
material - such as plants. Animals that are primarily plant eaters have
very large molars with six pairs (three uppers and three lowers) on each
side. Animals that do not specialize in eating plants tend to have a
reduced number of molars. Humans are equipped with six pairs of molars.
Although they are not very large, this would suggest that humans have the
ability to process fibrous plant food.

Premolars (bicuspids) are the slicing teeth. Mammals originally had eight
pairs of premolars, although most mammals alive today have fewer. Premolars
are the primary teeth used by meat eating specialists, and are frequently
missing in animals that specialize in plant foods. Humans have four pairs
of premolars, which suggests that humans have the ability to process animal
food.

Incisors are grasping teeth, that change shape depending upon how they are
used. The broad flat surfaces of human incisors is most associated with
animals that specialize in eating fruit.

Your point?

This should be common knowledge. To even suggest that we shouldn't be eating meat by merely comparing our teeth structure to that of a carnivore is HIGHLY ludicrous, because humans were never carnivorous creatures.

It is not highly ludicrous. It is the truth, like it or lump it. Humans have never been carnivores, well no shit, and the reason for that is because we were born herbivores. Somewhere along the line we became omnivores, but that is a consequence of human action alone.

In relation to your second point:

When humans switched to meat-eating, they triggered a genetic change that enabled better processing of fats, said Stanford, who has worked extensively with gerontologist Caleb Finch of USC.

"We have an obsession today with fat and cholesterol because we can go to the market and stuff ourselves with it," Stanford said. "But as a species we are relatively immune to the harmful effects of fat and cholesterol. Compared to the great apes, we can handle a diet that's high in fat and cholesterol, and the great apes cannot.

"Even though we have all these problems in terms of heart disease as we get older, if you give a gorilla a diet that a meat-loving man might eat in Western society, that gorilla will die when it's in its twenties; a normal life span might be 50. They just can't handle that kind of diet."

Taken from National Geographic - a more impartial source in comparison to your ideologically driven publications.

complete and utter bollocks. What do you think causes most diseases in the world? Yeah - fats. that come from meat eating. no meat - no fats. simple.

LMAO! That was a typo you cockboy. It was a mere slip of the finger. Jesus, you pick me up on something as minor as that?? That's just pathetic. I might as well point out your incorrect use of words here, seeing as we're now playing Mr. English.

there you go getting all serious again. obviously it was a typo. captain obvious strikes again! obviously my pointing it out was a joke. dont twist ya panties up even more.

Don't worry. I'm not gonna stoop to your level and use that obvious mistake to try make you appear stupid But for future reference, next time you want to take me up on my (obvious) typos, make sure your posts are flawless and don't contain any mistakes themselves, cos you'll look like a moron.

congratz on writing 5 lines about how you made a typo. you look real cool.

Well at least Jokerman acknowledges that meats contain many benefits, unlike you who is so adamantely ignorant to what is fact. Let me remind you what he said:



Atleast he is aware of both sides of the coin, so using him to validate your ignorance is pretty lame. Nice try buttercup

I'm aware of both sides of the coin. I am also aware that one side of said coin is wrong.

buttercup? whatever you say Mr. Rose Tulip Lily Sunflower Seed.

And who are you, mster morality? get the fuck outta here with that rubbish. im not going to hell for eating a peice of meat, jesus. what fanatical contrived bullshit.

you are off to a good start, but taking the Lords name in vain will get you there even quicker!

once again, i did a giant poop on your points.

once again, for the hundredth millionth time, I take your weak rebuttals and use them to scratch my ball sack.

have a good day mr. matic. maybe you can change your name to still-matic. or nastra-damus. perhaps it-was-written or i-am, or hip-hop-is-dead. :thumb:

 

[Devious]

i'm not gonna get too involved in this meat/vegetable beef going on here (pun intended) but i have to ask one question for all the vegetarians out there. if being a vegetarian is so healthy, then why is it that you have to take vitamins to get the nutrients and proteins and whatever else you're not getting from meat? i mean if not eating meat is perfectly healthy, then you shouldn't need any of those extra vitamins, right? the fact of the matter is that a balanced diet of BOTH meats and fruits/vegetables is far healthier than a pure meat or a pure veggie diet. Ill-matic nailed it on the head, humans are omnivores, we are meant to eat both. regardless of whether that was a choice made by humans or nature, our bodies have adapted to give us the ability to eat meat.

oh and Casey, i respect the fact that you are a vegetarian, but your opinions on the morality of eating meat can be saved. there is no need to start preaching about how we are going to Hell if eat meat. argue your points using logic, not morality or threats of Hell.

 

[Casey]

i'm not gonna get too involved in this meat/vegetable beef going on here (pun intended) but i have to ask one question for all the vegetarians out there. if being a vegetarian is so healthy, then why is it that you have to take vitamins to get the nutrients and proteins and whatever else you're not getting from meat? i mean if not eating meat is perfectly healthy, then you shouldn't need any of those extra vitamins, right? the fact of the matter is that a balanced diet of BOTH meats and fruits/vegetables is far healthier than a pure meat or a pure veggie diet. Ill-matic nailed it on the head, humans are omnivores, we are meant to eat both.

you don't need to if you have a healthy diet. basically that's to help lazy people make the transition because they can't be bothered to find out what kinds of food they need to eat to replace what they were getting from the meat.

if you ate seeds, nuts, fruits, many kinds of vegetables etc before giving up meat you would not need to take supplements.

when i stopped eating meat i never took any supplements. i didnt need to.

 

[masta247]

meat is unhealthy. it is immoral. therefore it will kill your body AND your soul. have a good time in the lake of fire, tell beelzebub i said whuzzzzzzzup.

I don't question your opinions or beliefs. Everybody has a right to eat whatever he/she wants or live by individual preferences.

But speaking of hell etc. even bible says about Jesus hunting some animals to eat them, as well as he was fishing and killing fishes to eat them. I know fish meat is considered bad by advanced vegetarians too.

Except that I know that meat may be unhealthy, actually everything we eat is unhealthy including vegetables and fruits, you can slightly decrease it if you grow them yourself. That's why there's liver and kidneys in human body - to destroy those toxins. Troubles start when there's too many toxins in your body. Then your organism starts to remove them f.e. by puking. Of course after all meat may contain more toxins than vegetables but that's still a marginal amount that may affect you in the future but I guess chances that you will suffer from it are like 1-2% depending on your overall diet and health.
Of course eating meat is nowhere as unhealthy as smoking, drinking alkohol, drinking coke, irregular sleeping, lack of sports, stress, eating too much sugar, salt or even living in toxic inveronment (f.e. city).

So IMO if you really care about your health first you should think about reducing things from above, then thinking about not eating meat. For a healthy organism just limiting those things will be good enough for a healthy life. you said vegetarians are 22% less likely to visit hospitals - it's mostly because vegetarians except not eating meat tend to live a healthier lifestyle, that's why they became vegetarians. For example 5 hours of working out per week reduces the risk of heart attack by 70%, stopping smoking reduces the risk of lung cancer by 50% etc. I respect vegetarians because many of my friends are not eating meat but I think it's some kind of obsession. If you don't like meat anyway than it's ok but if you like meat like I do and you eat it since you was a kid when you suddenly stop eating eat it may be much more unhealthy. Also vegetarians have to watch out on their diet to provide enough nutrients and for me it's too much just to reduce risk of having a heart attack in the distant future by 5 or so % considering I do workout on daily basic, I love sports and except few bad habits I'm really healthy, I don't have much bad fat in me, it's on minimal level anyway.. Plus even if you live a healthy lifestyle you may die in an accident in few days anyway.
If somebody has a big pleasure in eating meat there's no reason to stop it imo. It's like you stopped fucking to decrease the risk of prostate cancer or v.d.

 

[ill-matic]

Humans were not always omnivores. We did not always eat meat. The very first humans did not eat meat. It was a lazy choice made by some neanderthal.




Your point?



It is not highly ludicrous. It is the truth, like it or lump it. Humans have never been carnivores, well no shit, and the reason for that is because we were born herbivores. Somewhere along the line we became omnivores, but that is a consequence of human action alone.



complete and utter bollocks. What do you think causes most diseases in the world? Yeah - fats. that come from meat eating. no meat - no fats. simple.





there you go getting all serious again. obviously it was a typo. captain obvious strikes again! obviously my pointing it out was a joke. dont twist ya panties up even more.



congratz on writing 5 lines about how you made a typo. you look real cool.




I'm aware of both sides of the coin. I am also aware that one side of said coin is wrong.

buttercup? whatever you say Mr. Rose Tulip Lily Sunflower Seed.



you are off to a good start, but taking the Lords name in vain will get you there even quicker!



once again, for the hundredth millionth time, I take your weak rebuttals and use them to scratch my ball sack.

have a good day mr. matic. maybe you can change your name to still-matic. or nastra-damus. perhaps it-was-written or i-am, or hip-hop-is-dead. :thumb:

lol, ok, you really have no idea about what you're talking about ay? my rebuttals weak? ummm, wake up fella, i refuted everything and substantiated it with fact. what makes them weak? the fact that you're too piss stupid to actually argue them? maybe it's because you're feeling a little bit pressured because you just dug yourself into a little hole and you dont know how to get out of it, so you put up this whole "i dont give a fuck what you say cos it's all stupid" defence, which is typical of morons like you who really are clueless about things like this. stop being a poser, and stick to what you know

Btw - nice of you to fall back on the "but, LOL i was just being funnies!!!!". Bullshit. i made you look like an ass by pointing out your own stupid mistakes, when @ the same time you try to be a smart ass by pointing out my typo. act your age not your shoe size sweat pea.

 

[Casey]

Jesus never killed anything.

lol, ok, you really have no idea about what you're talking about ay? my rebuttals weak? ummm, wake up fella, i refuted everything and substantiated it with fact. what makes them weak? the fact that you're too piss stupid to actually argue them? maybe it's because you're feeling a little bit pressured because you just dug yourself into a little hole and you dont know how to get out of it, so you put up this whole "i dont give a fuck what you say cos it's all stupid" defence, which is typical of morons like you who really are clueless about things like this. stop being a poser, and stick to what you know

weakety weak weak. i piss on your bullshit facts. stupid? tell that to MENSA, motherfucker. the only hole i dig is your grave. you are the one who is clueless. maybe one day you'll learn, but i doubt it. now have a nice day philip.

Btw - nice of you to fall back on the "but, LOL i was just being funnies!!!!". Bullshit. i made you look like an ass by pointing out your own stupid mistakes, when @ the same time you try to be a smart ass by pointing out my typo. act your age not your shoe size sweat pea.

blah. what's a sweat pea? is that a vegetable you grew in your scabby loins? lol @ u talking about typos and then dropping that clanger. real smart kiddo, real smart.

 

[ill-matic]

Also, who gives a fuck if we were originally herbivores? The point is, we have adapted to being able to consume meat. We CAN now. We HAVE been able to for thousands upon thousands of years. So what's your point? You just gave some stupid video about how we're not supposed to be eating meat, yet the text i provided clearly shows that because of our bone structure and digestive system, we have adapted to being able to eat meat. Idiot, but you completely disregarded that. KEep watchhing your stupid videos aimed at little 10 year olds.

 

[Casey]

Also, who gives a fuck if we were originally herbivores? The point is, we have adapted to being able to consume meat. We CAN now. We HAVE been able to for thousands upon thousands of years. So what's your point? You just gave some stupid video about how we're not supposed to be eating meat, yet the text i provided clearly shows that because of our bone structure and digestive system, we have adapted to being able to eat meat. Idiot, but you completely disregarded that. KEep watchhing your stupid videos aimed at little 10 year olds.

just because we can does not mean we should. i can kill every motherfucker in the room right now. cho seung hui killed all the dudes at virginia tech. george bush killed all the innocent people in the twin towers.

does that mean we should all pick up automatics and blast every living thing we see? no. but i guess killing all the animals for our own selfish consumption is somehow ok. nice logic.

 

[Devious]

i also have another question. if being a vegetarian is so much healthier than a diet of both meats and vegetables, then why is it that almost every dietician around, when planning a healthy diet for people, will recommend both meats and vegetables? i don't know of too many dieticians (or doctors for that matter) that will recommend a purely vegetarian diet for anyone. that's because, like i said, the best diet is a balance of both meats and vegetables/fruits. if all you eat is meat, of course it's not healthy. but not eating meat at all isn't as healthy as you think. unless you think you know better than doctors and dieticians.

and if you're getting your sources of information from pro-vegetarian websites you should know that they are going to skew the facts in their favor. try going to an unbiased source and see what they say.

 

[ill-matic]

Jesus never killed anything.



weakety weak weak. i piss on your bullshit facts. stupid? tell that to MENSA, motherfucker. the only hole i dig is your grave. you are the one who is clueless. maybe one day you'll learn, but i doubt it. now have a nice day philip.




blah. what's a sweat pea? is that a vegetable you grew in your scabby loins? lol @ u talking about typos and then dropping that clanger. real smart kiddo, real smart.

Lol, booo hoo . you gotta grow up dude, seriously. grow some balls, you're missing them. gotta become more thick skinned. people arent always gonna agree with ya. i articulated myself in a civilised fashion but you start throwin the insults. sounds like a man who's losing and is desperate to salvage something.

so let me break it down for you a little bit. this is what's gonna happen right now:

- i pretty much just took a great big steamy shit on your points. i owned you fella, and you're too sad to man up and argue with me properly so now you cry and cry like a little sook and try to poke fun at me.

- number two: you should go read some book and gain some knowledge my friend. before you can kick it with me in such a way, you gotta read up. it's not good enough to PRETEND to know things bud, you actually gotta know your shit.

- see, i stay winning, you stay losing. youre just a sad little poser, not sure about himself. once you realise this, you will thank me


man up! noone likes a sook!

 

[masta247]

Jesus never killed anything.

"Jesus was given fish to eat after his resurrection in Jerusalem (Lk 24:42), and he cooked fish for his disciples on the shore of the Sea of Galilee (Jn 21:9). He traveled to and from places in the company of fishermen. And, most importantly, Jesus choose fishermen for the important job of spreading his word and building his church"

also http://www.funadvice.com/q/did_jesus_eat_meat_or_was_he_a_vegetarian

http://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVarticles/DidJesusEatMeat.htm

 

[ill-matic]

just because we can does not mean we should. i can kill every motherfucker in the room right now. cho seung hui killed all the dudes at virginia tech. george bush killed all the innocent people in the twin towers.

does that mean we should all pick up automatics and blast every living thing we see? no. but i guess killing all the animals for our own selfish consumption is somehow ok. nice logic.

first you say that we were never meant to eat meat because of our bone structures etc, but when i proved you wrong, now it becomes a moral issue. so wait, were we never meant to eat meat because it's "wrong"?

 

[Casey]

Lol, booo hoo . you gotta grow up dude, seriously. grow some balls, you're missing them. gotta become more thick skinned. people arent always gonna agree with ya. i articulated myself in a civilised fashion but you start throwin the insults. sounds like a man who's losing and is desperate to salvage something.

you just described yaself, homefry. all the essays in the world won't save you now.

so let me break it down for you a little bit. this is what's gonna happen right now:

nope, that's not what's gonna happen right now. what's gonna happen right now is i'm going to feel healthy while you are going to eat a fatty steak and get fat and bloated. kapiche?

- i pretty much just took a great big steamy shit on your points. i owned you fella, and you're too sad to man up and argue with me properly so now you cry and cry like a little sook and try to poke fun at me.

i am unfamiliar with your ozzie slang. sook? cook? book? look? or shut the fook up? i recommend you look at the last one. your shit means nothing as it is nothing more than recycled flesh.

- number two: you should go read some book and gain some knowledge my friend. before you can kick it with me in such a way, you gotta read up. it's not good enough to PRETEND to know things bud, you actually gotta know your shit.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. i'm rolling. r u a comedian? you should consider it as a career. rofl all day, rofl all night.

- see, i stay winning, you stay losing. youre just a sad little poser, not sure about himself. once you realise this, you will thank me

you are whining in do for love about coming off as boring to some random woman. i have a hot wife who im about to go home and bone whilst rolling around in the fat cash advance that Richard Branson/Virgin Records just gave me. losing? i don't know if it's possible to get it more twisted than you just got it.

once again....your future comedy career is beckoning.

man up! noone likes a sook!

see above

 

[Devious]

just because we can does not mean we should. i can kill every motherfucker in the room right now. cho seung hui killed all the dudes at virginia tech. george bush killed all the innocent people in the twin towers.

does that mean we should all pick up automatics and blast every living thing we see? no. but i guess killing all the animals for our own selfish consumption is somehow ok. nice logic.

you know that is such a weak argument. there is a huge difference in what he said and what you said. you said humans weren't meant to eat meat because our teeth weren't the same as carnivores. he responded by showing facts that prove our teeth and jaw structure have adapted so that we can eat both. not only did you completely discount that when he stated it, you are now comparing it to killing people? our bodies have not adapted for us to be better killers, but they HAVE adapted to allow us to eat meat. there is no comparison between the 2 points. if you choose not to eat meat, great for you, that is your choice. but don't act like we're not supposed to eat meat, because the facts clearly prove otherwise.

this is what i don't understand on either side of this argument. Casey, why do you preach so much about how healthy you are compared to people who eat meat? can't you be content in the fact that you are making the right choice and live with it? why do you feel the need to go on and on about how much healthier you are than meat eaters? you remind me of those religious nuts who feel it's their duty to remind anyone who doesn't follow their religion that they are going to burn in Hell.

oh, and what was the purpose of mentioning your "fat cash advance from Richard Branson/Virgin Records?" this is a discussion about diet lifestyles, not about your success in the music business. save the bragging for another thread.

and ill-matic, if you are so convinced that you are right on this issue and he is completely wrong, then why continue to argue with him? do you think you're going to convert him anytime soon? it's clear he has his beliefs, and you have your own, so why don't you both just agree to disagree instead of acting like children with all this name calling and insults. it makes both of you look less intelligent than you are.

 

[Casey]

you know that is such a weak argument. there is a huge difference in what he said and what you said. you said humans weren't meant to eat meat because our teeth weren't the same as carnivores. he responded by showing facts that prove our teeth and jaw structure have adapted so that we can eat both. not only did you completely discount that when he stated it, you are now comparing it to killing people? our bodies have not adapted for us to be better killers, but they HAVE adapted to allow us to eat meat. there is no comparison between the 2 points. if you chhoose not to eat meat, great for you, that is your choice. but don't act like we're not supposed to eat meat, because the facts clearly prove otherwise.

it is not a weak argument, it's the principle. because you CAN do something does not mean you SHOULD.

actually our bodies have evolved to be better at fighting and killing, you never saw ripped dudes like Arnie at his peak around a few millenium ago.

the facts do not CLEARLY prove otherwise, or we would not be able to have this debate in the first place.

 

[ill-matic]

you just described yaself, homefry. all the essays in the world won't save you now.

wrong. i didnt start insulting you. all on your accord bud. just shows what weak character you got.

nope, that's not what's gonna happen right now. what's gonna happen right now is i'm going to feel healthy while you are going to eat a fatty steak and get fat and bloated. kapiche?

wrong again. ive been through this before. dont let me shit on your shitty posts again you shit head

i am unfamiliar with your ozzie slang. sook? cook? book? look? or shut the fook up? i recommend you look at the last one. your shit means nothing as it is nothing more than recycled flesh.

ooops, my mistake. sook means cry baby. which is what youre being. people who resort to petty insults are a good example of cry babies. keep crying baby.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. i'm rolling. r u a comedian? you should consider it as a career. rofl all day, rofl all night.

you know whats also funny? me completely taking a dump on your misinformed posts LOL. gawd i luv owning ppl

you are whining in do for love about coming off as boring to some random woman. i have a hot wife who im about to go home and bone whilst rolling around in the fat cash advance that Richard Branson/Virgin Records just gave me. losing? i don't know if it's possible to get it more twisted than you just got it.

lol ok umm i was referring to this topic. i stay winning in this thread. you stay losing. each time i respond to you, it's an additional point to my winning tally. each time youy post it's another addition to your losing tally. stay losing chump, stay losing.

 

[Chronic]

For the most part life is seen as sacred. Murder is wrong, suicide is frowned upon. Most people fear death and want to prolong it as much as possible. But when it comes to animals all the morality, compassion and respect for life falls away and 'it's just an animal'. Their lives are unimportant. People like the taste of meat and that's all that matters to them. Any argument they use is just to satisfy that.

The only time eating meat is acceptable is when you live with nature. Tribes that respect their surroundings and eat meat in moderation are fine. It still bothers me that people can manage to kill an animal and feel no regret but it's understandable in situations like that. What isn't is that people can eat meat knowing the animals live (for the most part) a horrible life and are treated like property rather than a living creature. But hey, meat tastes good, it makes a lot of money and the abuse happens behind the scenes so who cares, right?

When you have to eat meat to survive it's nature's way. When you eat meat to satisfy yourself while there are alternatives it's murder. You're killing something for nothing but a basic level of self-satisfaction.

Personally I don't give a rats ass that meat can be unhealthy, I smoke weed so I have nothing to say. I just respect life. That's my single reason for becoming a vegetarian.

But Militant, the (im)mortality of eating meat and the abuse of animals (most people know that very basic abuse that goes on but that's just scratching the surface) doesn't sway most people so advicing them it's unhealthy really isn't going to do much.

The only thing that's going to keep me from feeling overwhelmingly sad over the human lives that are going to be ruined because of global warming is the fact that most people deserve nothing less than getting their ass handed to them by the very environment that they're destroying.

Man's best friend

I'm at a crossroad in my life. I don't know whether to train to be able to help animals or to become a sniper and shoot poachers. GTA MOTHERFUCKER!

 

[ill-matic]

it is not a weak argument, it's the principle. because you CAN do something does not mean you SHOULD.

actually our bodies have evolved to be better at fighting and killing, you never saw ripped dudes like Arnie at his peak around a few millenium ago.

the facts do not CLEARLY prove otherwise, or we would not be able to have this debate in the first place.

the fuck? we're debating this cos you dont wanna acknowledge the other side of the coin. if it's not so "CLEAR" like you say, then you cant ignore my side of the argument, which is what youve been doing for the past 4 pages.

 

[Casey]

wrong. i didnt start insulting you. all on your accord bud. just shows what weak character you got.

I am Hercules. You are a mosquito.

wrong again. ive been through this before. dont let me shit on your shitty posts again you shit head

you shit means shit all to me shit boy shit eating shit fucking mother shit head piece of shit covered wank jizz stain shit shit shit shit shit shit. i can do it too

ooops, my mistake. sook means cry baby. which is what youre being. people who resort to petty insults are a good example of cry babies. keep crying baby.

i looked up that word in the slang dictionary and saw a picture of you.

you know whats also funny? me completely taking a dump on your misinformed posts LOL. gawd i luv owning ppl

the fact that you are so utterly wrong is funnier. you owned nothing. i PWNED you so hard that the earth shook.

lol ok umm i was referring to this topic. i stay winning in this thread. you stay losing. each time i respond to you, it's an additional point to my winning tally. each time youy post it's another addition to your losing tally. stay losing chump, stay losing.

this topic, all topics, any topics, you're still a fruit.

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