The Most Hallowed Record Is Now Hollow
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Good 4 Bonds. Like he is the only man in the world 2 "cheat" at something. And the fact is there hasn't been anything made official about his use of 'roids, let alone it was a frequent drug used during the time he is being accused of using it. And even if he did who the fuck cares? Its a game and dude dont need to be ran over because of it. The justice is in the fact he hasnt won it all, imagine the teams who have won the title with players on the juice. Bonds has the vision that the juice cant produce.756
Thats true SicC,its all relative since ARod has 2 average 3O dingers/1Oyears&that right there is 8OO.Long as he maintains his health&vision.Shoot Ken Giffrey Jr. (smoothest swing in the game) would've had it if he had been 1OO%.With the whole 'roids thing,1 of the main reason 4 it being so "bad" is the fact that teens were dying from the shit.The fact is Creatine,Roids,etc. are all foregin substances added 2 the body;manipulating the body past its original limits.
Serious, who in their right mind would threathen to kill a man over something so petty? He doesnt deserve that, if he was on the juice he was just one of many...its just his natural talents took the shit to the next level. There were people saying the record was hollow when Hank broke it too, diffrent time period,yes, but today is diffrent too.
Y'ALL ARE FUCKING DELIRIOUS.
All the shit that HE has been through? Have you ever even seen a documentary about Hank Aaron? That was an extremely talented black man playing baseball, America's pastime, in the Deep South during the civil rights era. He and his family were scared for their lives over him hitting balls over a fence. What about all the shit that Hank went through? And then to have his record disgraced by a cheater. Imagine what he must be feeling right now.
That is the biggest load of bullshit I've heard in this debate next to anything concerning race. "Innocent until proven guilty," my ass. This isn't a court of law. The mass of circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. Criminals have been convicted on evidence less than this.
If Bonds* didn't take steroids, why hasn't he sued a single person for libel? If I were him and didn't take 'roids, I'd have my lawyers working on it hardcore. The reason he isn't is because he doesn't want it proved that he did.
Bonds* is the one getting all of the shit because Bonds* is the one disgracing the game at the highest level. If it was anybody else of any other race or of any other character, they'd be getting shit too.
If "juice can't produce" this stuff, then why are all the players who were taking them putting up monster numbers? Bonds*, McGwire*, Sosa*, Palmeiro*, Canseco*, Caminiti*. All of them. I mean shit, Canseco* was damn near crippled as a youngster and went on to put up monster years, and it was steroids that did it for him.
You know what Bonds* had a vision of? He had the vision of being the most talked about player in baseball. He was sick of seeing McGwire* and Sosa* get all the attention, so he injected some attention right into his ass.
Hank Aaron will still be the all-time home run king in my eyes, and Roger Maris will still be the single-season home run king in my eyes.
No one said it was hollow. Some people were pissed because he was black, but no one questioned its validity.
You know what Bonds* natural talent got him before 2001?
.289 career BA
33 HR/Season
15.1 AB/HR (As opposed to 6.5 in 2001)
94 RBI/Season
Does that sound like one of the greatest players ever to you? To put that in perspective for you, Albert Belle had a higher career BA (.295), a similar HR/Season (32), similar HR/AB (15.4), and more RBI/Season (103). Albert Belle was an offensive power, but is anyone even talking about him being in the Hall of Fame? Psh, no.
Granted, that's a small range of stats, and I'm not suggesting Albert Bell was as good as a player as Bonds* is, but think about it a little bit. And to be honest, Bonds* was a better player before he started taking steroids. He didn't need them to be a Hall of Famer, but he did them to "break" these records. Always a great hitter too, but never a scary hitter until 2001. I mean shit, some years in the mid-90's you'd rather to pitch to Bonds* than pitch around him and have to face Matt Williams.
And before this gets into a debate and MVP awards are brought up to show how great of a player he is, 4 of those 7 came during the years he was juicing, and the last legitimate one was in 1993.
All the shit that HE has been through? Have you ever even seen a documentary about Hank Aaron? That was an extremely talented black man playing baseball, America's pastime, in the Deep South during the civil rights era. He and his family were scared for their lives over him hitting balls over a fence. What about all the shit that Hank went through? And then to have his record disgraced by a cheater. Imagine what he must be feeling right now.
That is the biggest load of bullshit I've heard in this debate next to anything concerning race. "Innocent until proven guilty," my ass. This isn't a court of law. The mass of circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. Criminals have been convicted on evidence less than this.
If Bonds* didn't take steroids, why hasn't he sued a single person for libel? If I were him and didn't take 'roids, I'd have my lawyers working on it hardcore. The reason he isn't is because he doesn't want it proved that he did.
Bonds* is the one getting all of the shit because Bonds* is the one disgracing the game at the highest level. If it was anybody else of any other race or of any other character, they'd be getting shit too.
If "juice can't produce" this stuff, then why are all the players who were taking them putting up monster numbers? Bonds*, McGwire*, Sosa*, Palmeiro*, Canseco*, Caminiti*. All of them. I mean shit, Canseco* was damn near crippled as a youngster and went on to put up monster years, and it was steroids that did it for him.
You know what Bonds* had a vision of? He had the vision of being the most talked about player in baseball. He was sick of seeing McGwire* and Sosa* get all the attention, so he injected some attention right into his ass.
Hank Aaron will still be the all-time home run king in my eyes, and Roger Maris will still be the single-season home run king in my eyes.
No one said it was hollow. Some people were pissed because he was black, but no one questioned its validity.
You know what Bonds* natural talent got him before 2001?
.289 career BA
33 HR/Season
15.1 AB/HR (As opposed to 6.5 in 2001)
94 RBI/Season
Does that sound like one of the greatest players ever to you? To put that in perspective for you, Albert Belle had a higher career BA (.295), a similar HR/Season (32), similar HR/AB (15.4), and more RBI/Season (103). Albert Belle was an offensive power, but is anyone even talking about him being in the Hall of Fame? Psh, no.
Granted, that's a small range of stats, and I'm not suggesting Albert Bell was as good as a player as Bonds* is, but think about it a little bit. And to be honest, Bonds* was a better player before he started taking steroids. He didn't need them to be a Hall of Famer, but he did them to "break" these records. Always a great hitter too, but never a scary hitter until 2001. I mean shit, some years in the mid-90's you'd rather to pitch to Bonds* than pitch around him and have to face Matt Williams.
And before this gets into a debate and MVP awards are brought up to show how great of a player he is, 4 of those 7 came during the years he was juicing, and the last legitimate one was in 1993.
1st: Nobody in this thread said Bonds was the GOAT
2nd: You really taking Baseball, let alone Bonds too seriously.
3rd: Your argument and dislike of Bonds has not been justified
I dont need to say its "full of shit" because that would just water down my prior points. But yep, no sense arguing, points have been made and off the circumstantial evidence you have provided I have to say your delirious. I could understand such rage about Michael Vick, but your "disgrace the game" bunk is just ignorant.
2nd: You really taking Baseball, let alone Bonds too seriously.
3rd: Your argument and dislike of Bonds has not been justified
I dont need to say its "full of shit" because that would just water down my prior points. But yep, no sense arguing, points have been made and off the circumstantial evidence you have provided I have to say your delirious. I could understand such rage about Michael Vick, but your "disgrace the game" bunk is just ignorant.
Obiously. That would be entirely ignorant. I believe I said people were considering him one of the best players of all-time. As far as you are concerned, by saying his "natural talent" is accomplishing this, you must be implying it, because anyone who could do all of this without steroids must be.
Baseball means something to me, and yeah, I do take it seriously. you can call me a lunatic all you want, but that doesn't discredit my argument at all. In the end, all the evidence I supplied is the absolute truth.
I'm sure you'll say at least one more time that I'm a fantatic, or a lunatic, or that I take it too seriously. You know what? Maybe I am. But not a single argument I made in that last post was not completely objective.
1. Bonds* cheated and is claiming to be acheiving some of the greatest accomplishments baseball will ever see.
2. Bonds* is disgracing a man who is tantamount to a civil rights hero in his sport.
3. Bonds* did it for self-promotion and to feed into his own ego.
And those are my justifications for not liking him just because of steroids. There's a whole slew of non-baseball reasons to not like Bonds*. For instance, a little kid told him that hhe would give Bonds* his 756 ball back if he had been the one to catch it, and you know what Bonds* said to his young fan? He called him stupid--and that's straight from Bonds* mouth. He called him stupid and told him to sell it. What a great hero.
What about the fact that he's a horrible teammate? Doesn't work out with them (because most probabaly won't do steroids with him), doesn't celebrate with them, doesn't even talk to them. Shit, he sits by his secluded locker and watches tv. What about his tax evasion? Or his mistress? Or his shitty attitude towards fans and reporters? I could go on and on for reasons to dislike him as a person.
Funniest thing though is that my argument--let alone my dislike--was completely justified. It was justified in and of its self and doesn't need to be supported. Stats are stats. If a guy with sooo muuuch natural talent was that great of a hitter, why did he bat less than .290 and average just 33 home runs before taking steroids?
And as far as the circumstantial evidence is concerned, it may be circumstantial, but it's still evidence. And when you get enough of that all in one place, you can put two and two together. People also seem to forget that Bonds* admitted that he "may have" taken steroids. He said he "may have" taken something that was a steroid, but he didn't know what it was (and if you believe that, I'll tell you another). That was in his grand jury testimony, I believe. And the only man who knows for sure, his trainer, is sitting in a jail cell for contempt of court because he won't rat out his client. If there was nothing bad to say, why not just say it?
Everything I said (except maybe hitting him with a car) is more than justified. The only argument in favor of Bonds* not having used steroids is that there are (maybe) no positive tests that were taken. That to me is just someone trying to justify their skewed perspective on the situation.
Remember, there were supposedly no positive steroid tests on Plameiro either before he went in front of the grand jury. Turns out there were and they were never released. So who knows. Maybe there's a positive sample from Bonds* sitting in a freezer somewhere. We may never know that because baseball won't release them.
One thing I do know though is that Bonds* used steroids. Ask all the Hall of Fame members and they'lll tell you the same.
Ask Hank Aaron and he'll tell you the same.
Ask Greg Anderson and he won't tell you anything.
Baseball means something to me, and yeah, I do take it seriously. you can call me a lunatic all you want, but that doesn't discredit my argument at all. In the end, all the evidence I supplied is the absolute truth.
I'm sure you'll say at least one more time that I'm a fantatic, or a lunatic, or that I take it too seriously. You know what? Maybe I am. But not a single argument I made in that last post was not completely objective.
1. Bonds* cheated and is claiming to be acheiving some of the greatest accomplishments baseball will ever see.
2. Bonds* is disgracing a man who is tantamount to a civil rights hero in his sport.
3. Bonds* did it for self-promotion and to feed into his own ego.
And those are my justifications for not liking him just because of steroids. There's a whole slew of non-baseball reasons to not like Bonds*. For instance, a little kid told him that hhe would give Bonds* his 756 ball back if he had been the one to catch it, and you know what Bonds* said to his young fan? He called him stupid--and that's straight from Bonds* mouth. He called him stupid and told him to sell it. What a great hero.
What about the fact that he's a horrible teammate? Doesn't work out with them (because most probabaly won't do steroids with him), doesn't celebrate with them, doesn't even talk to them. Shit, he sits by his secluded locker and watches tv. What about his tax evasion? Or his mistress? Or his shitty attitude towards fans and reporters? I could go on and on for reasons to dislike him as a person.
Funniest thing though is that my argument--let alone my dislike--was completely justified. It was justified in and of its self and doesn't need to be supported. Stats are stats. If a guy with sooo muuuch natural talent was that great of a hitter, why did he bat less than .290 and average just 33 home runs before taking steroids?
And as far as the circumstantial evidence is concerned, it may be circumstantial, but it's still evidence. And when you get enough of that all in one place, you can put two and two together. People also seem to forget that Bonds* admitted that he "may have" taken steroids. He said he "may have" taken something that was a steroid, but he didn't know what it was (and if you believe that, I'll tell you another). That was in his grand jury testimony, I believe. And the only man who knows for sure, his trainer, is sitting in a jail cell for contempt of court because he won't rat out his client. If there was nothing bad to say, why not just say it?
Everything I said (except maybe hitting him with a car) is more than justified. The only argument in favor of Bonds* not having used steroids is that there are (maybe) no positive tests that were taken. That to me is just someone trying to justify their skewed perspective on the situation.
Remember, there were supposedly no positive steroid tests on Plameiro either before he went in front of the grand jury. Turns out there were and they were never released. So who knows. Maybe there's a positive sample from Bonds* sitting in a freezer somewhere. We may never know that because baseball won't release them.
One thing I do know though is that Bonds* used steroids. Ask all the Hall of Fame members and they'lll tell you the same.
Ask Hank Aaron and he'll tell you the same.
Ask Greg Anderson and he won't tell you anything.
My dad is a San Francisco Giants fan. They were my "B Team" to the Red Sox. I used to be a Bonds* fan. I had a little toy thing of him. Then I got older and realized he was an asshole, so I stopped liking him. Then he started cheating, and I started despising him. If it came out tomorrow that Curt Schilling was on steroids, I'd shun him too.
I'm not proud that I feel this way. I'm disgusted that I have to, but I do have to. That's the greatest crime of all for any baseball fan.
I'm not proud that I feel this way. I'm disgusted that I have to, but I do have to. That's the greatest crime of all for any baseball fan.
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