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THEV1LL4N

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I really want that Xiaomi Air Purifier. Looks dope. I really like the build quality of their stuff. I have their electric scooter (M365) and it's dope.
Isn't the electric scooter illegal now here? A tenner says you've put a sticker or two on your scooter. I'll send you my sort code and account number. Cheers.

I did think about the air purifier, but then I thought to myself "yes I'm in a city, but it's hardly Delhi or Beijing". I like for them to make their own air heater/cooler, phone sanitiser and smart light switches or retrofittable blind motors would be great.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
Well, this is the first shoe to drop: https://indianexpress.com/article/india/china-apps-banned-in-india-6482079/

There's definitely some politics involved in this but that shouldn't cloud the facts that these permissions were unnecessary and people had a right to be suspicious of Chinese apps.

This reminds me of the huge story from a year ago where Apple, I think, claimed that Chinese hardware was bugged. Or maybe Bloomberg reported it on Apple devices, I can't remember, but it certainly involved those three parties.

This is software and isn't something unique to iOS as Android users are in danger, as well. I got iOS 14 last week (I caved, sue me) but I have not seen this feature in action as yet. I have not seen any alert pop up telling me that an app is requesting some sort of permission like location or storage.

I know Android offers this, possibly beginning with Android 10, but I am skeptical of how well it really works. Whether Google has some apps/developers "whitelisted" where their requests don't trigger anything and warn the user of permissions being used/requested despite being denied in the app's settings. Google could very well be doing this themselves and possibly allowing some others they're in-bed with to do the same.



I other news, looks like TV prices are starting to fall a bit. Amazon, for a few hours, had a 77" C9 for $3000. I'm hoping we see a similar deal to that again once the markets start opening up because I'm sure LG and sellers were hoping to get rid of the 2019 models before summer's end but I'm sure the outbreak threw a wrench in that. Here's to hoping the prices drop further.

Funny enough, Sony's OLEDs start at about $500-1000 more than a same size LG TV and they really don't get discounted anywhere. I wonder if people end up buying them at some point or if retailers just take a huge hit when 2018 models are still sitting on their shelves with only a few hundred dollars off MSRP while the LGs just fly off the shelves.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
So HTC made a new phone? The Desire 20? That's the first I've heard of an HTC phone being made since Google acquired them. It was news on rAndroid but a quick search shows there were articles written about it 2+ weeks ago and being released in Taiwan and India. So not a big deal?

This was also on rAndroid a few days ago. Some complaints resemble the ones we've discussed on here before: https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/hifg2d
I just want Google to announce steps taken towards improving user privacy. I just don't think it'll happen because of how Google operates and what Android really is for them; a means to collect data.
 

masta247

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So HTC made a new phone? The Desire 20? That's the first I've heard of an HTC phone being made since Google acquired them. It was news on rAndroid but a quick search shows there were articles written about it 2+ weeks ago and being released in Taiwan and India. So not a big deal?

This was also on rAndroid a few days ago. Some complaints resemble the ones we've discussed on here before:
I definitely agree with most of that. iPhones are surely better than ever while Android is going through an unprecedented stagnation with absolutely garbage hardware market, but otherwise it feels like there's nowhere to run. You might find comfort in getting a mid-ranger (prices are more sane, most of the features are there, easier to swallow only two years of support on a $350 device vs close to $1000) but any excitement is gone.

As for OLED, I got an OLED monitor about two months ago and this is what happens:

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So a lot of the temporary burn-in goes away (until it's been there for enough time to begin staying, like the Windows icon you see here), and none of it is still visible during normal usage, but get a loading screen or any other uniform color on the screen and you'll always see stuff that's not supposed to be there. None of the existing OLED panels are immune to this, which isn't surprising that we aren't getting many OLED monitors.

That said, I still somehow feel like Samsung's OLED panels are superior in this regard - there is very little burn-in on my Samsung phones. My S8 only has very faint burn-in from the notification area bar that's visible on uniform backgrounds, and it has definitely spent more time displaying static images.

The image quality is certainly amazing, in particular at night, but the flaws make it very challenging to live with. The lack of proper HDR support in desktop operating systems and how behind Microsoft and Apple are in their efforts to introduce it isn't helping either.
I still can't wait for MicroLED to come, or OLED burn-in issues to be resolved, whichever hits commercial products first. Burn-in, the prices, and the lack of high refresh rate 4K options (or GPUs strong enough to comfortably support it) are my biggest issues with the high-end displays today.

Until then, while OLED longevity might be ok enough for TVs (movies), getting an OLED monitor is definitely not recommended. If you really want its superb image quality (like I did) you basically need two monitors: a "default" LCD for desktop usage and OLED for games and movies, and hope that your usage patterns are diverse (if you have a favorite game, the UI will burn in).
 
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dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
I definitely agree with most of that. iPhones are surely better than ever while Android is going through an unprecedented stagnation with absolutely garbage hardware market, but otherwise it feels like there's nowhere to run. You might find comfort in getting a mid-ranger (prices are more sane, most of the features are there, easier to swallow only two years of support on a $350 device vs close to $1000) but any excitement is gone.

As for OLED, I got an OLED monitor about two months ago and this is what happens:

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So a lot of the temporary burn-in goes away (until it's been there for enough time to begin staying, like the Windows icon you see here), and none of it is still visible during normal usage, but get a loading screen or any other uniform color on the screen and you'll always see stuff that's not supposed to be there. None of the existing OLED panels are immune to this, which isn't surprising that we aren't getting many OLED monitors.

That said, I still somehow feel like Samsung's OLED panels are superior in this regard - there is very little burn-in on my Samsung phones. My S8 only has very faint burn-in from the notification area bar that's visible on uniform backgrounds, and it has definitely spent more time displaying static images.

The image quality is certainly amazing, in particular at night, but the flaws make it very challenging to live with. The lack of proper HDR support in desktop operating systems and how behind Microsoft and Apple are in their efforts to introduce it isn't helping either.
I still can't wait for MicroLED to come, or OLED burn-in issues to be resolved, whichever hits commercial products first. Burn-in, the prices, and the lack of high refresh rate 4K options (or GPUs strong enough to comfortably support it) are my biggest issues with the high-end displays today.

Until then, while OLED longevity might be ok enough for TVs (movies), getting an OLED monitor is definitely not recommended. If you really want its superb image quality (like I did) you basically need two monitors: a "default" LCD for desktop usage and OLED for games and movies, and hope that your usage patterns are diverse (if you have a favorite game, the UI will burn in).

The OLED would be a TV, not a monitor, so no gaming on it. My sister may play her Switch on it but that's about as much gaming that will be done on it. If I game on my computer, I have that LG monitor I got a few years back that has served me well.

But about the issue of burn-in, I've read so much about it now, it sounds like watching varied content is the best bet to stave off burn in. Also, having the brightness of the screen around 80, or lower.

Since this TV is for my parents and they've had their current Aquos for 10+ years, I know an OLED likely won't last half as long as that but also they would still keep it for a long time and it would suck for them to be on LED if OLED gets better and/or MicroLED comes out and is priced similarly to what OLEDs are priced at currently. They may not care, though, but I know I would if I were buying a TV for myself.

The only other option would be to get an 85" LED offering from Sony or Samsung Q90, which would be priced halfway between a 65" and a 77" C9. Big screen and the brightness would be a pro but then it feels like still being a rung below OLED panels in quality, despite their drawbacks of burn in.
 

THEV1LL4N

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I'm thinking that the Pixel 4a might launch alongside the Pixel 5 in October. The latest 'update' now shows that there could be a Pixel 4a 5G, which makes me think that maybe the Pixel 4a launch is imminent and then they will release the Pixel 4a 5G and Pixel 5 together with a new range of Made By Google products such as Google Nest speaker, the new Chromecast with Android TV (or Google TV) and maybe even a surprise device or two.

I would love to see the new Google Nest speaker hit a sweet-spot of being a mid-range smart speaker and offering excellent audio quality. I believe the Google Nest Max was large and quite expensive (not sure on the sales figures but I can imagine that it was more niche).

What if Google expanded their Chrome OS offering with a tablet spin-off of the Pixelbook Go? Maybe a Pixel Slate Go to compete with the Lenovo IdeaPad Duet (Chromebook Duet)? It could be to Chrome OS what the Nexus 7 was to Android.

I don't think they'll release a Pixel Watch this year even though it was rumoured to be happening last year. Their Fitbit acquisition hasn't been approved as yet and the economic factors indicate that now perhaps isn't the best time to launch yet another product. Maybe 2021 or 2022.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
I definitely agree with most of that. iPhones are surely better than ever while Android is going through an unprecedented stagnation with absolutely garbage hardware market, but otherwise it feels like there's nowhere to run. You might find comfort in getting a mid-ranger (prices are more sane, most of the features are there, easier to swallow only two years of support on a $350 device vs close to $1000) but any excitement is gone.

As for OLED, I got an OLED monitor about two months ago and this is what happens:

View attachment 509

So a lot of the temporary burn-in goes away (until it's been there for enough time to begin staying, like the Windows icon you see here), and none of it is still visible during normal usage, but get a loading screen or any other uniform color on the screen and you'll always see stuff that's not supposed to be there. None of the existing OLED panels are immune to this, which isn't surprising that we aren't getting many OLED monitors.

That said, I still somehow feel like Samsung's OLED panels are superior in this regard - there is very little burn-in on my Samsung phones. My S8 only has very faint burn-in from the notification area bar that's visible on uniform backgrounds, and it has definitely spent more time displaying static images.

The image quality is certainly amazing, in particular at night, but the flaws make it very challenging to live with. The lack of proper HDR support in desktop operating systems and how behind Microsoft and Apple are in their efforts to introduce it isn't helping either.
I still can't wait for MicroLED to come, or OLED burn-in issues to be resolved, whichever hits commercial products first. Burn-in, the prices, and the lack of high refresh rate 4K options (or GPUs strong enough to comfortably support it) are my biggest issues with the high-end displays today.

Until then, while OLED longevity might be ok enough for TVs (movies), getting an OLED monitor is definitely not recommended. If you really want its superb image quality (like I did) you basically need two monitors: a "default" LCD for desktop usage and OLED for games and movies, and hope that your usage patterns are diverse (if you have a favorite game, the UI will burn in).
So we decided on a TV a few weeks back and took delivery of it shortly after. Went the 77" C9 route and got a moderate discount on it at a local B&M. Well, it was more of a showroom in north Chicago that I had heard about but never really looked in to. It's called Abt and I knew them mainly from looking up Mac prices on AppleInsider and they were one of the retailers that offered a discount on Apple products, which is rare.

Anyway, I just went to take a look and see just how big 77" would be in relation to the living room and ended up purchasing. Sales guy talked us in to a soundbar and I had not done enough research on soundbars to make a decision. I wasn't even planning on getting one and my parents had no idea what one was; they only knew of sound systems in home theater settings and not this.

So we went the Bose 700 route and got a moderate discount on that, too. From my understanding, Bose controls prices just like Apple does but it still worked out to a $200 discount on the entire set up. I had time to renege and get the Samsung Q90R setup for half the price, but the deal had ended on that shortly after we purchased, so that was that. Samsung had it for $1000 for the whole 7.1 setup and I really wanted Atmos but Atmos doesn't work well with high ceilings and we have vaulted ceilings ~20 feet high in the living room, so that may have been a waste to worry about Atmos.

Overall, pretty good experience. I cut the cord for my parents so they're off Dish as of today but have been using Sling for their Indian channels. The rest of us use Hulu Live and Disney Plus and we have Prime as well, so it's under $100 for live TV, international channels, and two streaming services (three, if you count Hulu's catalog, as well). Compared to $180 we were paying before just for Live TV and international channels.

We'll probably stop Disney+ after a month or two; just wanted to see some Disney/Pixar stuff and maybe some Marvel stuff since I've not been keeping up the past ten years or so. I wish sports would start back up soon, namely football, since I'm only keen on watching sports on this thing.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
@masta247 Did Samsung win you back after today's event? Perhaps not to upgrade to a Note 20 but at least a sign to you that they're not making the same blunders they did with the S20?

That Tab S7/+ looks nice and Samsung is clearly taking aim at the iPad Pros and not the iPads with the features and the pricing. But I am curious to see the benchmarks of the Tab S7 vs the iPad Pro's A12Z. I don't reckon they'll be even close and might be closer to the 10.5 iPad Pro that I have. Maybe... That A10X is old in Apple's world but still a really capable device 3 years later.

I've just read thoughts on the event but haven't seen the actual event. I have to look further in to the devices and their specs. I think there was an announcement of new Galaxy Buds, too?
 

masta247

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@masta247 Did Samsung win you back after today's event? Perhaps not to upgrade to a Note 20 but at least a sign to you that they're not making the same blunders they did with the S20?

That Tab S7/+ looks nice and Samsung is clearly taking aim at the iPad Pros and not the iPads with the features and the pricing. But I am curious to see the benchmarks of the Tab S7 vs the iPad Pro's A12Z. I don't reckon they'll be even close and might be closer to the 10.5 iPad Pro that I have. Maybe... That A10X is old in Apple's world but still a really capable device 3 years later.

I've just read thoughts on the event but haven't seen the actual event. I have to look further in to the devices and their specs. I think there was an announcement of new Galaxy Buds, too?
I just read this and realized that it even happened, as I only briefly went through Tomshardware and they didn't even bother covering the event!

These Notes are essentially the S20+ and a cut-down S20 Ultra in more rectangular bodies and with a stylus. My opinion of the S20 lineups isn't good, and these don't seem to have improved on anything? Essentially the same chipset, essentially the same cameras (with a minor downgrade on the Ultra), also ridiculous price, also come with a stand-alone and power hungry "5G-ish" modem, and they still have the selfie camera cutout for that matter. Since there aren't any improvements in the camera department, they will fall further behind the best camera phones, which is sad considering they were once the undisputed leader.

To be fair I was never considering the Note series, as I prefer the S series, but these appear to be just clones of the worst S series devices of their time to date. They are not only uninteresting from the tech perspective, I don't think they have any mainstream appeal, and the value proposition is horrible too, so Samsung's mobile division will struggle further as their sales numbers plummet even further down.

I'm personally not into Android tablets anymore - the displays are great, but Android just doesn't do tablets that could be in any way competitive with the iPads. The performance isn't there and the ecosystem is almost non-existent. The experience is in no way comparable to that of the iPad.

I really don't like the design or the shape of these new Buds. I can't imagine these being anywhere as comfortable as the original Buds or the Buds+.

So I guess a short answer would be that they had nothing that could win me over.

Also, congrats on the TV purchase, and the sound bar! That's a very expensive but great TV. How are you liking it?
 
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dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
I just read this and realized that it even happened, as I only briefly went through Tomshardware and they didn't even bother covering the event!

These Notes are essentially the S20+ and a cut-down S20 Ultra in more rectangular bodies and with a stylus. My opinion of the S20 lineups isn't good, and these don't seem to have improved on anything? Essentially the same chipset, essentially the same cameras (with a minor downgrade on the Ultra), also ridiculous price, also come with a stand-alone and power hungry "5G-ish" modem, and they still have the selfie camera cutout for that matter. Since there aren't any improvements in the camera department, they will fall further behind the best camera phones, which is sad considering they were once the undisputed leader.

To be fair I was never considering the Note series, as I prefer the S series, but these appear to be just clones of the worst S series devices of their time to date. They are not only uninteresting from the tech perspective, I don't think they have any mainstream appeal, and the value proposition is horrible too, so Samsung's mobile division will struggle further as their sales numbers plummet even further down.

I'm personally not into Android tablets anymore - the displays are great, but Android just doesn't do tablets that could be in any way competitive with the iPads. The performance isn't there and the ecosystem is almost non-existent. The experience is in no way comparable to that of the iPad.

I really don't like the design or the shape of these new Buds. I can't imagine these being anywhere as comfortable as the original Buds or the Buds+.

So I guess a short answer would be that they had nothing that could win me over.

Also, congrats on the TV purchase, and the sound bar! That's a very expensive but great TV. How are you liking it?
Yeah after reading a bit more, I feel the same. More of the same. The 5G radio is an industry issue; that's the drawback of dealing with Qualcomm. But the pricing is a Samsung issue and one they could fix, but they won't. Android provides the value for many over iOS, but nothing that Samsung does warrants the premium. Still, Samsung thinks they're on-par with Apple and its iPhone in terms of clout, and they just aren't. But they'll still charge those iPhone prices. I have yet to use an S20 Ultra, or whichever one has the 120hz screen. I do use it on my iPad Pro but I'm sure there's a caveat where it doesn't always display at 120hz, but I do remember reading that it was important for the use of the Apple Pencil, in particular when it comes to writing. It's nice when scrolling but I did read that the 120hz will affect battery life big time. On a tablet, it may be less noticeable but on a phone? With 5G? I imagine that's a big battery life sacrifice for the S20 users.

The Buds seem to be nice, especially for Android users that won't fully enjoy the features of the Air Pods on Android. Also, the price of Air Pods. But, again, I think Samsung thinks they have something that goes toe-to-toe with Apple's offerings, when it simply doesn't. At least in terms of sales and brand recognition, people know the Air Pods and will likely get those regardless of if the Buds, or any other wireless earbuds, sound better for less. These new Buds are $179, if I remember correctly. I haven't read anything on comfort but I was reminded of the Pixel Buds that were released about two months ago and I haven't heard a thing about them since. Samsung is still more recognizable than Google's Pixel products, but still miles behind Apple's name and popularity. Those should not be $180, even if they're worth that much, if Samsung is trying to get them in to more hands of Android users while competing with the Air Pods hype.

i share the same thoughts on Android tablets. Tablets were supposed to be "dead" 5+ years ago but iPad sales are still chugging along. Whether they end up really replacing laptops is another discussion, but lots of students and businesses are adopting the use of the iPad for getting tasks done within their field and I don't see many places trading the price/value that an Android tablet may offer over the iPad for the integration of iOS in to businesses and their IT. Apple just has that segment locked down and I can only hope they keep improving and innovating and don't start resting on their laurels because of their monopoly on tablets.

The TV is good. Haven't watched it all that much, maybe a few hours a week since we're all out of the house during the day. Parents still watch shitty 480p Indian broadcasts over Sling TV. My sister and I have been watching random movies here and there and they look great. And sound great; the bass is unlike something we've experienced before and since we're not in an apartment, we can turn it all the way up and rattle the house without worrying about neighbors lol. So while we stream movies in 4K, our live TV from Hulu is still 1080p, I believe, so it's nothing magical there.

My sister games on it occasionally, but she has a Switch so it's maxed out at 1080p. I don't plan on getting a console, at least not anytime soon, but I think the Xbox One X, or whichever one can output 4K would be the real test for gaming and to show off what the TV can do. I think the PS5 and next Xbox come out soon? I read a lot of questions on the OLED subreddit where people ask for purchasing advice and take in to consideration the next gen of consoles. I've been out of gaming for so long so I never pay attention to HDMI 2.1, which is the big thing right now, and Free and G Sync capabilities. I may try playing some dinky game like DOTA on it with an eGPU but again I don't play that much anymore but I am curious to see just how much better it would look on OLED.

Your picture of your OLED monitor reminded me, again, of the pitfalls of OLED and burn-in but I still see a lot of people looking to get 55" or even 65" screens for what they call "PC gaming." I'm sure it doesn't matter whether it's a PC or Xbox or PS4 and that having the HUD from a game can burn-in, but I still picture someone sitting like 5 feet from a 55 or 65" screen with their laptop playing COD lol. I don't know how they do that. I know you had a proper OLED monitor that was probably in the normal range of sizes for a monitor but I don't get people buying even the 48" OLEDs for PC gaming because I still picture it as being mounted to a wall in front of a desk and playing on a huge screen relative to the distance from the screen to play PC games.

I did connect my Sony XM3s to the TV but I then realized I have no idea about audio codecs and which ones it supports and if I could get some form of Atmos using them. I searched the Sony subs for answers but I couldn't find a clear answer on it. I'm still chasing that Atmos sound lol. Even if it may not be as big of a deal as people make it out to be and our living room not able to support it due to high ceilings. I'll still try via headphones. Our Galaxies support it, though. There is an option to enable Atmos sound on my S10 but I'm not sure if that requires headphones or if their are upward firing speakers on the phone itself. I doubt it, though.

Also, Google has discontinued the Pixel 4 already. Google, amirite?
 
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masta247

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Your picture of your OLED monitor reminded me, again, of the pitfalls of OLED and burn-in but I still see a lot of people looking to get 55" or even 65" screens for what they call "PC gaming." I'm sure it doesn't matter whether it's a PC or Xbox or PS4 and that having the HUD from a game can burn-in, but I still picture someone sitting like 5 feet from a 55 or 65" screen with their laptop playing COD lol. I don't know how they do that. I know you had a proper OLED monitor that was probably in the normal range of sizes for a monitor but I don't get people buying even the 48" OLEDs for PC gaming because I still picture it as being mounted to a wall in front of a desk and playing on a huge screen relative to the distance from the screen to play PC games.
I think the "good" use of TV for PC gaming is when you connect your badass PC to the TV and make it a console - you're sitting on the sofa with the controller, but your PC is good enough to do no-compromise 4K with all bells and whistles enabled, and at 60fps. Comfortable, on a big screen, and with your home theater on. So basically making it a much more powerful console. Additionally, it's a great way to play PC exclusives. That's what I used to do back in the days when my living room setup was better than my monitor/chair/speakers.

Yeah after reading a bit more, I feel the same. More of the same.
After reading more about the Samsung event, I just realized there was one (and to me only one) redeeming thing that they mentioned that's definitely a move in the right direction. They promised to support their flagships for three years starting with the S10. It's surprising it took so long when a phone costs over a grand, but still a very positive change. Especially since this also applies to the S10 which will still be getting Android 12 in 2021, and the S20 will be getting the major 2022 Android release. While not objectively great and not as good as Apple, I think three years of software support for a phone is at least reasonable. There might be some hope that they've seen the light, as long as they now manage to fix their hardware with the S21 (or whatever they end up calling it), and its value proposition, which to be fair might be too much to hope for.

Also, Google has discontinued the Pixel 4 already. Google, amirite?
I don't recall Google having a commercially successful product since the original suite that's the core of their business (Admob, Gmail, Maps, Youtube, Android, and the ads funding them). It's almost crazy when you think about how horrible they are at creating anything that would end up being successful, and that's not for the lack of trying, or not throwing enough money at their problems. Over the last 10 years they were exclusively coming up with stuff nobody would want to touch.

From the financial reports I could find over the last few years, the only thing that Google ever made money on are ads, and these bring in billions.
Between the Pixel, Stadia, Waymo and other unsuccessful services (that Google classifies as "Other bets") they are losing close to a billion dollars per quarter.
From a privacy watchdog's perspective, they are making money on a morally questionable "service", and then sinking it in attempts to make legitimate earnings and failing.
 
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dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
I think the "good" use of TV for PC gaming is when you connect your badass PC to the TV and make it a console - you're sitting on the sofa with the controller, but your PC is good enough to do no-compromise 4K with all bells and whistles enabled, and at 60fps. Comfortable, on a big screen, and with your home theater on. So basically making it a much more powerful console. Additionally, it's a great way to play PC exclusives. That's what I used to do back in the days when my living room setup was better than my monitor/chair/speakers.



After reading more about the Samsung event, I just realized there was one (and to me only one) redeeming thing that they mentioned that's definitely a move in the right direction. They promised to support their flagships for three years starting with the S10. It's surprising it took so long when a phone costs over a grand, but still a very positive change. Especially since this also applies to the S10 which will still be getting Android 12 in 2021, and the S20 will be getting the major 2022 Android release. While not objectively great and not as good as Apple, I think three years of software support for a phone is at least reasonable. There might be some hope that they've seen the light, as long as they now manage to fix their hardware with the S21 (or whatever they end up calling it), and its value proposition, which to be fair might be too much to hope for.



I don't recall Google having a commercially successful product since the original suite that's the core of their business (Admob, Gmail, Maps, Youtube, Android, and the ads funding them). It's almost crazy when you think about how horrible they are at creating anything that would end up being successful, and that's not for the lack of trying, or not throwing enough money at their problems. Over the last 10 years they were exclusively coming up with stuff nobody would want to touch.

From the financial reports I could find over the last few years, the only thing that Google ever made money on are ads, and these bring in billions.
Between the Pixel, Stadia, Waymo and other unsuccessful services (that Google classifies as "Other bets") they are losing close to a billion dollars per quarter.
From a privacy watchdog's perspective, they are making money on a morally questionable "service", and then sinking it in attempts to make legitimate earnings and failing.

The three year support was an improvement, no doubt, but like you mentioned, Apple does it for longer and/or supports more of its devices in the process. They're less forgiving for their computer lineup, which is a different topic, but the 6S is nearly 5 years old and the upcoming iOS 14 will support it. Of course, few people keep their devices that long but Apple's software support is still on-par with its hardware quality/longevity in that people were using their original SEs until the second generation was released a few months back. I think the original SE came out in 2016?

As for PC gaming on an OLED, I know it shouldn't feel so different from console gaming but it still does. The lines have been blurred between console and PC gaming now and I think a big part of it is Microsoft making a lot of games playable on both Xbox and Windows. I only learned about that feature a few months back but that felt way too generous. The way I understand it is that you purchase the game once and can play it on either your PC or on your Xbox. And then earlier this week Microsoft brought the game pass to Android devices which also felt like a big deal. As someone who really doesn't game much, I got the impression that Microsoft didn't care if you bought an Xbox or not, it just wanted you on the game subscription model of Game Pass and didn't mind that you played its games on a computer or on a dinky phone. I don't know how well an S10+ would perform playing/streaming Xbox One games on it, but if the only limitation is the bandwidth and not the hardware of the phone, then that's even more ridiculous on MS's part, but great for gamers.

And yeah, Google's shitty tactics have been known for a while but you put into perspective how they're amazing and thriving by selling information of its users and sucking ass at actually making something useful and innovative.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
The non-Ultra Notes are made from plastic lol

I take it back. Despite the lower price than the S20 Ultra at launch, Samsung is still looking to nickel and dime the user. I'm pretty sure this phone is going to be a flop within the first few months. If there's a drastic price drop by the Holidays, maybe sales will pick up, but otherwise they should expect the same sales numbers as the S20, which were shit. And we, as consumers, should expect Samsung to blame COVID again for poor sales.

Also, Apple surprised us with a sudden iMac refresh. It looks to be a "better" value than before as the whole line up is now 4K displays, and up, as well as being completely SSD. None of the cheap tactics of putting HDDs in the entry models and Fusion drives in the mid-range models.

A lot of the reviewers have been referring to this iMac as "the last Intel iMac" but I feel like if Apple introduces Apple Silicon to the iMacs, it will still continue to sell this current Intel Mac and maybe even release one more Intel upgraded iMac when the AS ones are released. Apple may feel people may not be ready to switch to AS just yet but still would want a refreshed iMac after this current one. It has to be released gradually within a specific model lineup, no?

If you had to upgrade your phone and you decided to stick with Android and not hope over to iOS, what would stop you from getting a OnePlus?
 

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The non-Ultra Notes are made from plastic lol

I take it back. Despite the lower price than the S20 Ultra at launch, Samsung is still looking to nickel and dime the user. I'm pretty sure this phone is going to be a flop within the first few months. If there's a drastic price drop by the Holidays, maybe sales will pick up, but otherwise they should expect the same sales numbers as the S20, which were shit. And we, as consumers, should expect Samsung to blame COVID again for poor sales.

Also, Apple surprised us with a sudden iMac refresh. It looks to be a "better" value than before as the whole line up is now 4K displays, and up, as well as being completely SSD. None of the cheap tactics of putting HDDs in the entry models and Fusion drives in the mid-range models.

A lot of the reviewers have been referring to this iMac as "the last Intel iMac" but I feel like if Apple introduces Apple Silicon to the iMacs, it will still continue to sell this current Intel Mac and maybe even release one more Intel upgraded iMac when the AS ones are released. Apple may feel people may not be ready to switch to AS just yet but still would want a refreshed iMac after this current one. It has to be released gradually within a specific model lineup, no?

If you had to upgrade your phone and you decided to stick with Android and not hope over to iOS, what would stop you from getting a OnePlus?
Lmao I came here to post this about the new Notes. They are made of plastic and are using a cheaper OLED display that's 1080P at 60hz, for $999! You gotta enjoy everyone's patience with Samsung running out though:
https://wccftech.com/the-galaxy-note-20-is-a-1000-atrocity-that-should-not-exist/
And that quote: "When all these things are combined, you start realising that the Galaxy Note 20 should be dead on arrival rather than being considered something that actually is a convincing smartphone. At a $1,000, the Galaxy S20, which will be available for a cheaper price tag would make much more sense than the Note 20. And that is the sad tragedy of what Samsung has done this year".

As for OnePlus, they don't make any sense to me. At this point they cost as much as the Galaxy S series and have all of the same flaws, yet are less polished and don't come with the Samsung ecosystem: things like Pay, data on Samsung accounts and seamless connectivity to the Buds are value adds imho. And to me the Buds part alone provides an advantage in a market where every flagship device is almost the same and comes with generally the same issues. I know the OnePlus 8 series are the best phones from them yet (apart from the 7T Pro which doesn't do wireless charging), but if I was to get a OnePlus phone I'd rather just go for a proper Oppo flagship that's better and costs less - in particular one of their notch-less models. The overhead that they are slapping on North American models is so high that I could fly to Asia, buy one of the flagship Oppo models, come back, and pay around the same price in total as just ordering one of the higher SKUs of the 8 Pro here that's the same device with a OnePlus logo on it.

The problem with Android isn't just with Samsung. There's a general problem with Android devices sold in the west these days where they just aren't too interesting, and cost way too much, and Samsung is simply the most visible actor in this stagnation, but nobody outside of China is doing anything that's somehow significantly better.

The Chinese devices are definitely more interesting - Huawei makes the best Android phones at the moment that are way ahead of Samsung, Oppo devices are better, Xiaomi are by far offering the most incredible value for money one can think of. But between bans, tariffs and other disadvantages that they are facing, getting them in North America is either impossible or comes with significant risks and issues (the lack of Google Play services being the most prominent). Otherwise I'd definitely be on the P40 Pro or one of the all-screen-front Oppos, as they are ahead of what Samsung is delivering these days.

Let's be honest here, the Huawei P40 Pro is better than the S20 in literally all regards, from cameras, chipsets, design, battery life, to price. Their chipset even has an actually integrated 5G modem, which is something that Qualcomm wasn't able to do, which haunts all of this year's flagships. The P40 Pro last 40% longer on a single charge than the S20 does, reaching a sweet 18 hours of screen-on-time for videos, which is imho the highest out of any phone to date, and that's with 5G. It would have been the best selling smartphone this year if it wasn't for the preemptive strike against Huawei, cutting them off from Google and Arm. I mean, Samsung boasted about their cameras in the S20 series, but look how much better Huawei is at this point in comparison:
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The P40 Pro would have been a huge upgrade that I'd definitely jump on, but without Google Services you;d get the best hardware, but also the worst software experience though.

In the current market, Samsung is still the best option in the Android world for me, which shows how out of options I feel, and why I look forward to the iPhone event. Although I am worried that they end up reusing the same old notched design of the X, and I will have to accept that I'm just still out of upgrade options. Apple made huge strides with the X, and then stopped innovating again too. I definitely look at the Chinese Android market with much envy. They have what Samsung had going on during their prime years.
 
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