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dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
lol we need to rename this thread to be the entire tech section. We've gone from Android talk to Apple/Mac talk and now we sprinkle in specific hardware talk.

Pretty sure I'm the the culprit for derailing it a few years back.

I think I still need to learn something about scaling for monitors and screens in general. When flashing my phone using the XPS 15 yesterday, I noticed that it was set to max resolution, which I can't remember right now (3000ishx2000ish) and the scaling was 250%. It looked great and it's what my dad has been using for over a year, now. But why is the resolution so high and scaled/magnified so much? there's definitely not an option for that on my MBP. I could change the resolution to be that high using a third party app but then there's a huge border of unused screen space. And the text is retardedly tiny.
 

masta247

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Scaling works very differently on Macs and Windows. Each monitor or display has its native resolution, and anything that isn't displayed natively is blurry (thus using the native resolution is recommended). Scaling allows you to use a high resolution while making everything less tiny.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
Scaling works very differently on Macs and Windows. Each monitor or display has its native resolution, and anything that isn't displayed natively is blurry (thus using the native resolution is recommended). Scaling allows you to use a high resolution while making everything less tiny.

So the XPS display is almost double the resolution as the MBP's?

It was labeled as some Ultra HD, or something, display. All this jargon is what made buying a monitor so complicated and confusing. People kept mentioning scaling and resolution when I said I'd stream video on it and how a 4K screen would affect that vs a "regular" monitor, like the one I ended up getting.
 

masta247

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So the XPS display is almost double the resolution as the MBP's?

It was labeled as some Ultra HD, or something, display. All this jargon is what made buying a monitor so complicated and confusing. People kept mentioning scaling and resolution when I said I'd stream video on it and how a 4K screen would affect that vs a "regular" monitor, like the one I ended up getting.
Not sure what the exact resolution on the Dell is and on that Mac is, but 3000ish is not 4K, it's probably something weird that gets close to it. For streaming, it is generally better to get a display which resolution is native to the video source, like a legit 4K display, or a 1080P display etc. That said, it's not a total sin to have a different resolution screen - the videos just won't be as perfectly sharp, and if it's also of different aspect ratio, you will get the black bars on the sides or top and bottom.

Higher resolution is almost always better, except it is harder to drive in games, and some legacy software might have scaling issues (leading to blurry UI elements). Scaling is sort of like pinch-zooming on your phone. You still have a high res screen, everything is still rendered in its resolution, system fonts etc. adjust automatically so they are perfectly sharp, but some content is too low res and might look a bit blurry. For things that scale properly, you still have super-sharp content that isn't tiny.
 
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dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
Not sure what the exact resolution on the Dell is and on that Mac is, but 3000ish is not 4K, it's probably something weird that gets close to it. For streaming, it is generally better to get a display which resolution is native to the video source, like a legit 4K display, or a 1080P display etc. That said, it's not a total sin to have a different resolution screen - the videos just won't be as perfectly sharp, and if it's also of different aspect ratio, you will get the black bars on the sides or top and bottom.

Higher resolution is almost always better, except it is harder to drive in games, and some legacy software might have scaling issues (leading to blurry UI elements). Scaling is sort of like pinch-zooming on your phone. You still have a high res screen, everything is still rendered in its resolution, system fonts etc. adjust automatically so they are perfectly sharp, but some content is too low res and might look a bit blurry. For things that scale properly, you still have super-sharp content that isn't tiny.

Yeah, and most content isn't 4K anyway. Save for a few Netflix shows, as far as I'm aware.


Also, this just came out about Intel's CEO: http://www.businessinsider.com/inte...ation-finds-past-employee-relationship-2018-6

The guy was CEO for the past 5 years and now just gone like that. It says he was in charge when Spectre happened but was he really to blame, outside of being in charge when it happened?

This new interim guy; you think he leads Intel in a new direction or will this just be more of the same?
 

masta247

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Yeah, and most content isn't 4K anyway. Save for a few Netflix shows, as far as I'm aware.


Also, this just came out about Intel's CEO: http://www.businessinsider.com/inte...ation-finds-past-employee-relationship-2018-6

The guy was CEO for the past 5 years and now just gone like that. It says he was in charge when Spectre happened but was he really to blame, outside of being in charge when it happened?

This new interim guy; you think he leads Intel in a new direction or will this just be more of the same?

That is great news. Krzanich is one of the main reasons why Intel is still where it is. The R&D and manufacturing cuts when there was less competition is his doings. He closed 7 plants and fired 12 thousand people in the US, including great engineers, simply because he managed to financially starve the competition, so he thought no need to pump so much money into chips. Then his investments in other sectors failed, suddenly making Intel less competitive and with less talent, having to rely on cash and further subsidies to make businesses stick to them.
He was always a cocky business asshole. He thought when AMD wasn't a threat, there was no reason to spend on innovation. Which is why our Coffee Lake is the same chip as Skylake with extra cores attached. He himself pushed unrealistic goals for 10nm just for the sake of bragging higher transistor density, which is why we don't have it, 3 years past schedule. He also lobbied for tax money to fund the 10nm plants (that were already there, just not producing results) and got it, while the rest of the industry is on 7nm without any subsidies. Not to mention, now almost all R&D for Intel is happening in Israel, and manufacturing in China (used to be Oregon when he took office). He is a close friend with Trump, rallied for him (said the new 10nm plant is happening thanks to Trump) and now got exempt from the China tariffs, while other chip makers aren't.
One of his latest messages was "we can't allow AMD to take over more than 20% of our server market". The problem is AMD have faster, safer and more efficient server chips too, so how do you think he would accomplish that? More of the same bullying and bribes. That was over the tech news in the recent weeks, making Intel not only weaker technologically, but also it crossed the line for too many people.

The panic at Intel happened during his ruling, and while Intel is far from being an ethical company, he was the kind of CEO that just moved them further into the dark. Hopefully their leadership changes, and hopefully it's different enough to start changing Intel. The problem is the interim CEO's resume is far from stellar and he comes from the existing board of directors, which in the chipmaking world (including within Intel itself) is basically synonymous to the "axis of evil", making it unlikely that they would elect anyone who would change things that are the way they like it there now. The only thing is that they absolutely have to, even if they don't want to, so a change of CEO who could try to do things differently is needed for their PR in the days nobody likes them and the "good guys AMD" even have better chips now. Besides, any new CEO wants big things on his record, and new plans to broadcast to the world that he is already doing something and taking charge. I don't expect much, but I expect some new things happening simply because they have to, and a CEO change is the simplest natural opportunity to do that. The problem is he has it easy - they have Jim Keller working on a new CPU architecture to succeed "Lakes" and ex-AMD GPU guru to develop their own GPUs - I hope the new CEO doesn't go the easy way and just take credit for those without changing the way the company operates.
 
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dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
That is great news. Krzanich is one of the main reasons why Intel is still where it is. The R&D and manufacturing cuts when there was less competition is his doings. He closed 7 plants and fired 12 thousand people in the US, including great engineers, simply because he managed to financially starve the competition, so he thought no need to pump so much money into chips. Then his investments in other sectors failed, suddenly making Intel less competitive and with less talent, having to rely on cash and further subsidies to make businesses stick to them.
He was always a cocky business asshole. He thought when AMD wasn't a threat, there was no reason to spend on innovation. Which is why our Coffee Lake is the same chip as Skylake with extra cores attached. He himself pushed unrealistic goals for 10nm just for the sake of bragging higher transistor density, which is why we don't have it, 3 years past schedule. He also lobbied for tax money to fund the 10nm plants (that were already there, just not producing results) and got it, while the rest of the industry is on 7nm without any subsidies. Not to mention, now almost all R&D for Intel is happening in Israel, and manufacturing in China (used to be Oregon when he took office). He is a close friend with Trump, rallied for him (said the new 10nm plant is happening thanks to Trump) and now got exempt from the China tariffs, while other chip makers aren't.
One of his latest messages was "we can't allow AMD to take over more than 20% of our server market". The problem is AMD have faster, safer and more efficient server chips too, so how do you think he would accomplish that? More of the same bullying and bribes. That was over the tech news in the recent weeks, making Intel not only weaker technologically, but also it crossed the line for too many people.

The panic at Intel happened during his ruling, and while Intel is far from being an ethical company, he was the kind of CEO that just moved them further into the dark. Hopefully their leadership changes, and hopefully it's different enough to start changing Intel. The problem is the interim CEO's resume is far from stellar and he comes from the existing board of directors, which in the chipmaking world (including within Intel itself) is basically synonymous to the "axis of evil", making it unlikely that they would elect anyone who would change things that are the way they like it there now. The only thing is that they absolutely have to, even if they don't want to, so a change of CEO who could try to do things differently is needed for their PR in the days nobody likes them and the "good guys AMD" even have better chips now. Besides, any new CEO wants big things on his record, and new plans to broadcast to the world that he is already doing something and taking charge. I don't expect much, but I expect some new things happening simply because they have to, and a CEO change is the simplest natural opportunity to do that. The problem is he has it easy - they have Jim Keller working on a new CPU architecture to succeed "Lakes" and ex-AMD GPU guru to develop their own GPUs - I hope the new CEO doesn't go the easy way and just take credit for those without changing the way the company operates.

Well, when a new chip has been released, it usually has been in development for years prior, right? So we won't see the good or bad his plans bring about until a few generations from now, if that's true.

I guess he can alter the bullying Intel did to AMD and just not do it and try and make something truly competitive, but that still wouldn't be seen until a few years from now.

I know the ARM in Macs thing has been a rumor for nearly a decade but there are still rumors that the low-end Mac notebooks, be it the MB or MBA or even the base 13" MB, could be completely powered by an ARM. Within the next refresh cycle, or two. I know Apple still is a small dent on Intel's sales but all it takes is someone, anyone, to make a big shift from the norm before other OEMs take notice and go a different direction, too. I don't want Intel to just be stripped bare of buyers but if someone as big as Apple can start to break away slowly from Intel, for business or ethical reasons, it might make some other OEMs more confident to do the same. Apple already got its hands wet by making the iPad Pro a rather powerful alternative to low end notebooks. Its flaws seem to be with the OS or UI and not so much the hardware capabilities, so that can be fixed more easily than trying to defy physics and make their chips outperform notebook chips. But once you start to put those chips in a notebook, I could see a price drop in both the iPad Pro and the low end MBs/MBAs to entice students that don't need all the power that their $1500 Pro models offer.

I just don't know if Apple would drop the price because many people wouldn't be familiar with ARM than they would Intel or even AMD. They should drop the price because of that fact and see if they can start the trend for notebooks to house ARM chips. Whatever Intel counters with, that would likely benefit the MBP lineup to keep up with the competition. I doubt ARM replaces the whole lineup but I'm not sure on ARM's capabilities either. Whether it can handle the load power users are currently putting on their Intel machines.
 

ARon

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My 6p finally stopped working. Pretty sure the four core fix I was relying on killed it. I went and picked up an s9 for 250 which was a deal I didn't want to pass up. I do not like touchwiz lol
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
My 6p finally stopped working. Pretty sure the four core fix I was relying on killed it. I went and picked up an s9 for 250 which was a deal I didn't want to pass up. I do not like touchwiz lol

Keep an eye out for the US release of Good Lock. I think you'll like it a lot better than you do now. It was released when the S7 was on 6.0 but 7/0 ended support for it. Now they're re-launching it for Oreo, and it's actually already out, but not in the US. I don't know about side loading it, but it shouldn't be too long before it comes out on the Galaxy Apps store in the US.

Also, @masta247 , is there an official, reliable site that shows Galaxy sales by generation? I can't find numbers and instead just articles saying S8, and now S9, sales are not up to par. I just wanted to see what models sold the best. I know the S2 and S3 were huge hits and one article even said the S4 was peak Samsung, but I don't know for sure.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
So about a week of using Oreo and I haven’t seen any bugs. It’s like Sprint and Google really took their time with this. Of course, it’s nearly a year late now so they had plenty of time.

But I’m happy with it. I had no hype for Oreo but after upgrading to it and not seeing anything ruined, it’s nice to see.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
https://9to5google.com/2018/06/27/google-pixel-3-xl-leak-render-notch-camera-speaker/

Looks nice but despite the shit Samsung catches for bloat and TouchWiz, in general, I'd miss Pay too much.

We'll wait for more details and maybe some hardware specs can sway me but until NFC payment picks up more than it has already in the US, it's hard to ditch Samsung Pay.

But as usual a direct pipeline from Google for updates has always been a plus.
 

masta247

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https://9to5google.com/2018/06/27/google-pixel-3-xl-leak-render-notch-camera-speaker/

Looks nice but despite the shit Samsung catches for bloat and TouchWiz, in general, I'd miss Pay too much.

We'll wait for more details and maybe some hardware specs can sway me but until NFC payment picks up more than it has already in the US, it's hard to ditch Samsung Pay.

But as usual a direct pipeline from Google for updates has always been a plus.
I'm not a fan of those designs. I still can't treat phones with a notch seriously. I much prefer Samsung's solution of just making the bezels as small as possible without cutting a part of the display out. Even better would be if the screen was flat. And to think that even the rounded corners used to bother me..

But now we actually have phones that are technologically better. At this point, we are getting much more innovation from the Chinese makers. I'm not kidding. This is the newest Vivo phone:
https://www.gsmarena.com/vivo_nex_s-9227.php

And this is the newest Oppo phone:
https://www.gsmarena.com/oppo_find_x-7885.php

They are now ahead of the big makers in terms of hardware. They managed to implement in-screen fingerprint sensors that apparently work great, embedded the other sensors under the screen and they have pop-out front facing cameras. They also squeezed in larger batteries and exclusively top-tier components. Google is way behind in terms of hardware design, and having HTC engineers isn't helping, as they've been struggling with the exact same thing for many years now. Slapping its own software to help that and a ridiculous price tag to go with it doesn't count as making good phones in my book.
Heck, even Samsung isn't up there with what Oppo and Vivo did, as Samsung have been trying to do the same thing for years, but couldn't deliver. I assume they will have to catch up with the S10, but the fact that this is happening is a sign of the times . The only thing the Chinese makers are missing now is some polish in terms of software and aesthetics, but they overtook the giants in terms of pure tech, which really had it coming.

So about a week of using Oreo and I haven’t seen any bugs. It’s like Sprint and Google really took their time with this. Of course, it’s nearly a year late now so they had plenty of time.

But I’m happy with it. I had no hype for Oreo but after upgrading to it and not seeing anything ruined, it’s nice to see.
My girlfriend's had Oreo on her S7 for a while now. She couldn't tell a difference except for the changes to the notification area and fonts. Basically, everything she found to be different was attributed to the new Samsung UI version, not Android.
The battery life and performance are about the same, and most actual features that Oreo brought have always been there on Samsung phones already.

Well, when a new chip has been released, it usually has been in development for years prior, right? So we won't see the good or bad his plans bring about until a few generations from now, if that's true.

I guess he can alter the bullying Intel did to AMD and just not do it and try and make something truly competitive, but that still wouldn't be seen until a few years from now.
A design from scratch takes several years. If you're making modifications or planning SKUs (which goes as far as core counts, clock speeds, amounts of threads, even cache to some extent, not to mention the whole marketing thing and pricing) can still be completely changed mere months before the product would hit the shelves. For instance, the changes that Intel made between Skylake and Coffee Lake could be accomplished within weeks of engineering work and a couple of trial manufacturing runs. It's the exact same architecture with an upgraded interconnect to facilitate 2 extra cores, plus some minor tweaks to the chip's behavior. Any performance increase is purely due to higher clock speeds which could be achieved due to updated manufacturing (14nm+++, as Intel calls it).

Considering Coffee Lake came out just months after Ryzen and was a direct response to it, I bet those changes were actually accomplished within weeks of engineering work, plus prolonged QA to make sure they are market ready. The engineering samples started leaking a month or two prior to the release and they were still different chips at that point, running on the Skylake platform. If Intel decides to release a mainstream 8-core processor now, they can do that anytime with the existing tech, and I'm sure they have the chips ready. It's just a business decision for them, and they will have to do it to compete with the latest mainstream Ryzen, which is faster than what Intel offers in the mainstream.

We know that Intel is working on a new CPU architecture, which they will likely finish in a few years, and it might be quite great, as Jim Keller was poached to work on it (he designed some of the greatest AMD chips, including Ryzen, and his work is the heart of Apple's ARM CPUs). But the architecture is just one half of the story. The second half is what products it will be powering, and that's as much of a business decision as it is a tech decision.

After seeing how Windows performs with Snapdragon 835, I have some doubts about ARM on laptops/desktops. Even more so since the hyped "Windows" Snapdragon 1000 was announced to be as power hungry as Intel's ULV i5s. The combined performance hit of having to emulate to run the software and being a more barebones architecture without advanced instruction sets ends up taking 9 seconds to launch chrome on the fastest device so far, and provides about the same battery life as Intel's finest (and several times faster). Apple's chips surely perform better than Qualcomm's, but that still doesn't solve the fundamental issue and still would offer sub-par performance. I'm sure Apple have been working on potential solutions for a long time, and we don't have ARM Macbooks because it's not easy to find good solutions.

Probably the best one they figured out so far is making an ARM version of MacOS with basic programs running natively, and third-party programs being emulated, but the performance hit to those emulated programs would be way too severe to pack it into a 1000$ device, which is why there are still no ARM Macs.
 
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dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
Weird how Samsung feels like the only one making Android tablets that people look forward to.

https://bgr.com/2018/07/03/galaxy-tab-s4-release-date-close-render-leaks/

I'll have to look up reviews of the Tab S3 and see what the consensus was but I have a feeling the iPad has better reviews. You just don't hear about Android and tablets. And even if one believes that tablets are a dying or slowing market, it's bad that Google hasn't even tried with a serious tablet since the 2013 N7. I'm sure that pushed many people towards Apple with the iPad.
 

dilla

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