Mosque to go up near New York's ground zero

[Jokerman]

New York (CNN) -- Plans to build a mosque two blocks away from ground zero have set off an emotional debate among area residents and relatives of victims of the September 11, 2001 terror attacks.

Cordoba House project calls for a 15-story community center including a mosque, performance art center, gym, swimming pool and other public spaces.

The project is a collaboration between the American Society for Muslim Advancement and the Cordoba Initiative, both of which work to improve relations with followers of the religion.

Mosque to go up near New York's ground zero - CNN.com


So what do you think? Is it ok, good, bad, wrong? I think they should put a Taliban recreation center there instead. How about an al-Qaeda training camp?

 

[Cooper]

I think it's ok

 

[masta247]

So what do you think? Is it ok, good, bad, wrong? I think they should put a Taliban recreation center there instead. How about an al-Qaeda training camp?

lol

It motivates people to blow even more buildings up, especially people who'd rather want mosques instead.

"Hey, I don't have a mosque in my neighborhood and it'd be pretty cool to have one. Let's blow up that bank!"

 

[S O F I]

If the women take off the burka when going swimming, I'm down for it.

 

[Flipmo]

Insensitive move, at least for the time being as relations between Islam as a general and America is strained, but then again ... not all followers of Islam are fundamentalists, they're like any hard working American Christian or Jewish family who work, provide for their kids, etc...

Imo, as of now it's not the smartest idea, and it can escalade things for the worst also.

 

[vg4030]

I think they should put up mosques all over the place.... it reduces the chances of them blowing up any nearby buildings

 

[Synful*Luv]

Insensitive move, at least for the time being as relations between Islam as a general and America is strained, but then again ... not all followers of Islam are fundamentalists, they're like any hard working American Christian or Jewish family who work, provide for their kids, etc...

Imo, as of now it's not the smartest idea, and it can escalade things for the worst also.

I agree with this completely.. it could be okay.. but now with tensions being so high.. it just isn't. Many people are not going to like this.

 

[MaroC]

I think americans should check and double check their foreign policy towards muslims on this earth. Maybe then streethop forum members wouldnt be so frightened of buildings blowing up anywhere near them

 

[_carmi]

Insensitive move, at least for the time being as relations between Islam as a general and America is strained, but then again ... not all followers of Islam are fundamentalists, they're like any hard working American Christian or Jewish family who work, provide for their kids, etc...

Imo, as of now it's not the smartest idea, and it can escalade things for the worst also.

It will always be an insensitive move regardless of the relationship between Islam and the USA. The families of the victims of 9/11 will always feel Islam is to blame for this, and therefore it doesn't change whether the USA & Islam are walking hand in hand or shooter rockets at each other's. These families will never accept a mosque where their relatives were killed by individuals of that same religion.

Although it is insensitive for the families of the victims of 9/11, I think this is needed to move forward. Whether this happens now, almost 9 years later, or in 20 years, there will always be this emotional debate. Some extremists did crash planes in the two tours, but Islam per se is not to blame. And as much as it sucks that they are building it right next to Ground Zero, they have the right to do so and there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[Rukas]

I think americans should check and double check their foreign policy towards muslims on this earth. Maybe then streethop forum members wouldnt be so frightened of buildings blowing up anywhere near them

So a Government's Foreign Policy makes it ok to murder innocent people that that Government doesn't even care about in the first place?

 

[Sirus85]

This is some great news, I Might convert to a muslim an go there.

 

[ill-matic]

hey, it's not that we don't like muslims. we actually have nothing against them. but we just, you know, don't want them to build their mosque anywhere near us.

 

[Preach]

So a Government's Foreign Policy makes it ok to murder innocent people that that Government doesn't even care about in the first place?

That there is blowing things out of proportion. The discussion is: 'is it okay to build a Mosque near 9/11 ground zero?". A Goverment's foreign policy has nothing to do with this discussion. And his remark is founded. If he is a muslim, what these fucked up, selfish, scared little losers in New York are doing is racism. They are hating on muslims because muslim extremists committed a crime. In doing so it is implied that they feel excused in doing it. Now his reaction, as a muslim? Anger. Just like everyone else reacted in that other 27 page long thread where I tried to preach diplomacy and discipline of your own temper and thoughts. It's okay that the whole forum bashes Muhammad and Islam and muslims, but when a Westernized muslim finally have a thought about our society we do exactly like the Muslims. Defend our erroneous ways.

The western world is selfish and have a culture of ruining the lives of those that are different by picking on them and verbally abusing them. He didn't say it was okay to murder people, that was your anger towards muslims or something. He simply said some Americans should have their eyes opened. Well, he's factually right. You're being a muslim now the way you react.

 

[Preach]

The families of the victims of 9/11 will always feel Islam is to blame for this, and therefore it doesn't change whether the USA & Islam are walking hand in hand or shooter rockets at each other's. These families will never accept a mosque where their relatives were killed by individuals of that same religion.

So if everyone who participated in the act wore tennis shoes, it's reasonable to expect the victims to not allow a tennis shoe store anywhere near where their family died? That is fucking bullshit. Those people who speak against this are using the most retarded of logics to hide their prejudices, and they 'use' their deceased family to back up their own fear of the unknown. A kind of selfish exploitation that no one asks questions to because a grieving family member has to be right, right? And we have to be sensitive and think about their feelings and hold back the truth if it's harsh. They are using their pain to inflict further pain, and we're supposed to think it's ok, cause "they're in pain". Fucking bullshit wankers. Everyone's like cool and shit till somebody loses an eye (or a family member) and then everyone turns into bitches and start arguing about pointless shit. Like if we should allow a mosque, considering the killers were (arguably) muslims. It's so far fetched. Cmon.

Although it is insensitive for the families of the victims of 9/11, I think this is needed to move forward. Whether this happens now, almost 9 years later, or in 20 years, there will always be this emotional debate. Some extremists did crash planes in the two tours, but Islam per se is not to blame. And as much as it sucks that they are building it right next to Ground Zero, they have the right to do so and there's nothing wrong with that.

As I read your first paragraph I wasn't sure where you were going, but I love that you said that. My point exactly.

I get that a lot of people joke because it's their nature. Someone is talking about something sensitive so you feel inclined to make some totally crazy rude joke for "shock effect". Gr8, you are average. I wish some of you people would post another post with your actual thoughts on the matter.

 

[Preach]

hey, it's not that we don't like muslims. we actually have nothing against them. but we just, you know, don't want them to build their mosque anywhere near us.

You lost your right to that desire when you put a Starbucks on every corner down there.

Yeah, I know no single American did it, but you are all part of the same hypocrisy until you kill your president and change the way your country works.

Globalization is real, and we started it. Actually, if I'm addressing any Americans, British or Spaniards, YOU started it. Now you're/we're trying to hit the brakes because we don't like where it's going. It's my opinion that we created this situation and we should solve it with everyone's benefit taken into account. For now, a bypass solution is to just let them build a fuckin' mosque. To ban it is a solution that only works for us. Are we gonna be that simple minded, for all our philosophy, for all our teachings, for all the knowledge we have acquired as a race. Is this how we are gonna use it? Condemning stupid shit that doesn't matter?

 

[_carmi]

So if everyone who participated in the act wore tennis shoes, it's reasonable to expect the victims to not allow a tennis shoe store anywhere near where their family died? That is fucking bullshit. Those people who speak against this are using the most retarded of logics to hide their prejudices, and they 'use' their deceased family to back up their own fear of the unknown. A kind of selfish exploitation that no one asks questions to because a grieving family member has to be right, right? And we have to be sensitive and think about their feelings and hold back the truth if it's harsh. They are using their pain to inflict further pain, and we're supposed to think it's ok, cause "they're in pain". Fucking bullshit wankers. Everyone's like cool and shit till somebody loses an eye (or a family member) and then everyone turns into bitches and start arguing about pointless shit. Like if we should allow a mosque, considering the killers were (arguably) muslims. It's so far fetched. Cmon.

Well if some Jews were to blow up a building and some relatives of mine were to die there, I'd hold it against the Jews for the rest of my life. It's not about taking a step back and rationalizing these feelings. It's about feeling those feelings. Human beings are controlled by their emotions, not the rationalization of these emotions.

I'm not saying you're wrong. We agree on this matter. But I'm just trying to demonstrate it from certain individuals' perspectives.

 

[S O F I]

Well if some Jews were to blow up a building and some relatives of mine were to die there, I'd hold it against the Jews for the rest of my life. It's not about taking a step back and rationalizing these feelings. It's about feeling those feelings. Human beings are controlled by their emotions, not the rationalization of these emotions.

I'm not saying you're wrong. We agree on this matter. But I'm just trying to demonstrate it from certain individuals' perspectives.

Exactly. It's not about what's right or wrong, but about what IS and how hard it is to overcome those feelings. Countries with ethnic conflict have struggled with this and are struggling with this and you as an outsider cannot convince them that their thoughts on the matter are wrong and illogical because they're functioning on a whole different level of emotional grief.

 

[ARon]

These were individuals acting in the name of a belief they held...It's easy to blame the religion but I don't think it is smart.

I think it is overly American to allow this mosque to be built. America is supposed to stand for freedom, acceptance, understanding etc. Not allowing this mosque to built doesn't convey any of that. I think it's maybe the strongest statement we could possibly make besides rebuilding the towers to allow this to be built, to show that we have moved on but haven't forgot and all that feel good saying stuff. Most importantly to show unity.

 

[SmokeBud2GetHigh]

Preach you're posts always get under my skin. You think you are so fuckin smart. Go worry about the shithole you live in. This board NO DOUBT does not need any of you're replys. Everytime i go too read something, and see you posting I just get a headach before I even read it. I won't even read the reply too this because you just piss me off. Go play some 2pac albums and pretend you get it.

 

[SiGh]

Preach you're posts always get under my skin. You think you are so fuckin smart. Go worry about the shithole you live in. This board NO DOUBT does not need any of you're replys. Everytime i go too read something, and see you posting I just get a headach before I even read it. I won't even read the reply too this because you just piss me off. Go play some 2pac albums and pretend you get it.

If he bothers you so much, just ignore him and STFU. If you don't like his posts then don't read it, its really that simple.

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