Technology iPhone OS 4 event April 8th

S. Fourteen

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#21
This release, and just about everything else Apple does has a polarizing effect on us nerds. One side is people that love to see these features being carefully thought out and be released properly to improve the functions and to gain functions that people asked for. Another side is people that can not stand anything Apple does, and will go to great length to criticize the most trivial things like making the advertisement experience better for both developers and end users, they try to make it sound like Apple will read your every email and text message and bombard paid apps with invasive advertisements. That's just fantasy created in the heads of freetards, because all they want to see is Apple fail, they just can't stand that 500,000 iPads were sold in less than a week. They just can't stand the fact that they are running out of things to hate on.

Remember that this is just a preview of what's going to be released this summer. I hope the freetards have plenty of kleenex when the time comes.
 

Casey

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#22
Apple's iPhone OS 4.0 No Threat to Android - PCWorld

For fans of Apple's iPhone, the unveiling of the new iPhone OS 4.0 is a big deal. It's the first time, after all, iPhone users will be able to do basic things like multitasking, setting their own wallpapers, and placing folders on their home screens.

For the rest of the smartphone world, however, these features are old news. The truth about Apple's iPhone 4.0 update is that -- despite Steve Jobs' tendency to describe it with words like "amazing," "wonderful," and "delightful" -- it doesn't offer anything substantial that Android-powered devices haven't offered for quite some time.

That's why the iPhone's new software alone shouldn't pose much threat to Android's ever-increasing growth within the mobile market.

Apple iPhone 4.0 and Android
Let's face it: Multitasking, the flagship feature of the new iPhone OS, is a key component of the Android experience. While Jobs may claim the iPhone OS 4.0's multitasking interface is the "best," it'd be surprising if its existence made much of a dent in Android's momentum -- especially when you consider that Apple will allow multitasking only in carefully defined and limited circumstances. This may be done in the name of improving the user experience, but it still accomplishes that by restricting what the user can do -- something Android goes to great lengths to avoid.

Moving down the list, the wallpaper and folder settings introduced in Apple's iPhone OS 4.0 are a tiny slice of the home screen customization options available on Android devices. And the iPhone's new unified mailbox is already a core element of the Android OS, too.

The iPhone 4's iBooks integration and Game Center network, then, are really the update's two features that could offer unique commercial appeal. But these are both closed, proprietary systems that limit your life to Apple's ecosystem -- and that tends to be something the type of person who veers to Android doesn't appreciate.

iPhone OS 4.0 in the Mobile Market
Where Apple's iPhone OS 4.0 could succeed is in encouraging owners of the iPhone 3G and the original iPhone to upgrade in order to reap the software's full benefits (the iPhone 3G will support some of the 4.0 update's features, while the original iPhone will not be compatible at all). In terms of any large-scale market impact, however, I'd be surprised if the software alone does much to dampen Android's growth; put simply, the update feels more like Apple trying to catch up than Apple fighting to pull ahead.
This man speaks the truth.
 

Rukas

Capo Dei Capi
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#23
^^ While true, what this means is that the millions and millions of iPhone users are given a reason to stay with their current phone instead of seeking out alternatives.
 

Casey

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#24
Sure, and I don't dispute that. But what you have to keep in mind is product development speed and consumer adoption rates. Just a year ago, Android 1.5 and iPhone OS 3.0 were released. You could count the number of Android products on the market with one hand, and iPhone OS had considerable market share. Furthermore Android was still an emerging platform.

Fast forward to now, and Android is about to takeover in market share in as little as 8-10 weeks from now. I've lost count of the amount of devices on the market and Apple's iPhone OS4 (which most consumers won't even have for a couple of months at least) is struggling to even catch up with Android 2.1 which has been out since January.

Apple is so intimidated that they have resorted to filing meaningless lawsuits that they'll never win against HTC, and Jobs is attacking Google publically at his own events. Word even spread that they're considering replacing Google search on iPhone with Bing, and possibly developing their own search (both of which would be very stupid moves to make).

What I'm saying is, OK - Apple might be able to lock a good chunk of their existing customer base into another 18-month or 2-year contract. But they aren't getting many new ones. Nearly 70% of people polled recently who are planning to get a smartphone in the next 6 months stated they would go with Android. And when those existing customers finish those contracts - Google will be so far ahead that only the diehards will stick with Apple at that point - putting them in the same position with mobile that they are with desktop (a small but fervent niche market).

Apple's concern about search is a valid one. Google have the statistics and analytics for all mobile devices right there in front of them. They know what people using mobile devices want. That's why they've been able to advance so quickly. That's just fortunate for Google and tough shit for everyone else. And it shows you just how scared Apple are, because they don't want Google to have that data - but they're perfectly fine with the idea of giving it to Microsoft, who are also directly competing with them, with Windows Phone 7? They don't have another choice right now.

I mean, at this stage in the game, do you REALLY think anyone is gonna stop using Google? Maps? Gmail? YouTube? Even Chrome Browser is on a rapid increase, having already gained more market share than Firefox in an incredibly short space of time.

It's about as likely as people stopping using iPods at this stage. But unfortunately for Apple, the things that Google has market share and dominance over are far more important to the future of computing than the 1 thing that Apple has dominance over (Digital Music).

Apple's success with iPods has made them think they are a player in the future of computing, but they are very much mistaken.
 

_carmi

me, myself & us
#26
this is all very interesting. but not applicable to my 3g.

my question is: what crucial difference is there between the 3g and 3gs that the 3g cannot run multitasking but the 3gs can?
 

Rukas

Capo Dei Capi
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#27
Nothing. They probably just want you to upgrade. Sucks for them. My girlfriend has the 3G and her contract is up in the next few months, she probably would have stayed with iPhone had she gotten the upgrade, but now she will go elsewhere.
 

S. Fourteen

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#28
Apple is so intimidated that they have resorted to filing meaningless lawsuits that they'll never win against HTC,
Regardless of what the court decision is, if you don't fight what you think is infringement, then you end up not owning rights to your property. All of this feud started when Eric S. resigned from Apple's board. But I'm sure you think Apple's the one getting hints from Google. I think Steve is pissed for a good reason.

Apple's success with iPods has made them think they are a player in the future of computing, but they are very much mistaken.
They do try to push it. Forgive me for sounding like a broken record but they pushed for USB, they said fuck it to Floppy even though they knew people would complain, they're trying to push HTML5, they're trying to get Lightpeak on to their devices to eliminate port clutter. They're saying fuck you to bloated software and shift away from lazy developers tendency to rely on more power more power more power. There are many devices that are capable of doing what the iPhone can do, but make no mistake, companies do keep a close eye on what Apple does at every turn, and because of their success, Apple does have influence on how the industry is shaped. It's not just the iPod and iTunes, they did it with iPhones and they're doing it with iPads. You are in denial.

The Reason Why Apple Is Not Enabling Multitasking In Old iPhones and iPods - Apple - Gizmodo

The thing is, you can do it, but then you need to babysit the process which is not really Apple's way.
 

Casey

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#30
Regardless of what the court decision is, if you don't fight what you think is infringement, then you end up not owning rights to your property. All of this feud started when Eric S. resigned from Apple's board. But I'm sure you think Apple's the one getting hints from Google. I think Steve is pissed for a good reason.
Apple know they won't win. They were just making a statement, but it's pure hypocrisy. One wrong move against Android/the Open Handset Alliance and Apple are in deep shit? Why? Because Motorola, who currently make the biggest selling Android phone to date, hold the patent for the entire CONCEPT and DESIGN of a portable phone in the first place - as well as a shitload of others that Apple are in infringement of. And it's no coincidence that HTC CEO Peter Chou and Motorola CEO Sanjay Jha were on stage together at the Nexus One launch.


It's not just the iPod and iTunes, they did it with iPhones and they're doing it with iPads. You are in denial.
Success are revolutionising an industry are not the same thing. iPhones and iPads have brought nothing new to the table.

When you truly revolutionise an industry, your product becomes synonymous with what it does. iPod is synonymous with MP3 player/digital music player. Google is synonymous with Web Search, YouTube with online video playback. Technically, Mac's are PC's (Personal Computers) but Windows is synonymous with PC's because it revolutionised the industry.

iPhone is not and will never be synonymous with cellphone or smartphone and iPad is not and will never be synonymous with tablet/slate device, because neither brought anything new to the table.
 

S. Fourteen

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#31
^Moto won't win anything either, they show up to court to fight Apple yet they have let countless other phones enter the market before the iPhone.. A judge will laugh in their faces. Do you see my point?

I'm not sure if I can agree with your synonymous statement. I think the argument is flawed. As much as I want to defend Apple, what did iPods bring that was new? It was basically a portable harddrive with a headphone jack, blended with a carefully thought out input device called the click wheel. None of it was new. But you admit that it became synonymous with MP3 players, without having anything revolutionary or new. So, couldn't you make an argument and say that iPhone is synonymous with smartphone for the average user or iTunes is synonymous with online media consumption? My grandma knows what an iPhone is, she's likely clueless about what a Nexus One is. Kinda like that?

You original statement was that Apple is not a player in the future of personal computing and you are indeed in denial of it.
 

Casey

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#32
^Moto won't win anything either, they show up to court to fight Apple yet they have let countless other phones enter the market before the iPhone.. A judge will laugh in their faces. Do you see my point?
That's not how it works. All Moto would have to do in that scenario would be to provide evidence to suggest that Apple is more of a threat to their core business than anyone else.

I'm not sure if I can agree with your synonymous statement. I think the argument is flawed. As much as I want to defend Apple, what did iPods bring that was new? It was basically a portable harddrive with a headphone jack, blended with a carefully thought out input device called the click wheel. None of it was new. But you admit that it became synonymous with MP3 players, without having anything revolutionary or new. So, couldn't you make an argument and say that iPhone is synonymous with smartphone for the average user or iTunes is synonymous with online media consumption? My grandma knows what an iPhone is, she's likely clueless about what a Nexus One is. Kinda like that?
Fair enough - I guess the success of the iPod was more about timing than anything. The iPhone isn't synonymous with smartphone for the average user in my opinion. In many ways it's not even a smartphone. I'd say for most people Blackberry is more synonymous with the term smartphone. If Apple hadn't neglected Enterprise users and released multiple form factors they might have done well in that market also but that hasn't happened.

Most employees of major corporations use Blackberrys. But with many corporations switching to using Google Apps for their internal email/calendar systems, and a major Enterprise overhaul for Android scheduled for the next major release, Android are positioned to take the win on this as well. Especially with devices like the DROID and the rather familiar form-factor of the upcoming HTC Salsa (see below), I'd place bets on Android taking a chunk of this market share as well.



While I get the point you were making with Nexus, that's not a device aimed at regular consumers. It's a device that's only sold online and with no traditional marketing behind it. People like your grandma know what an iPhone is because of traditional marketing methods. They see it on the TV, on billboards, etc. I suspect that your grandmother has seen the Droid adverts and probably know what that is, because it was a highly successful traditional marketing campaign and that's why it's the biggest selling Android device to date.


You original statement was that Apple is not a player in the future of personal computing and you are indeed in denial of it.
I'm not in denial of it. As the future of computing heads towards cloud services and open-source methods, Apple will largely be left behind. Everybody already uses Google cloud services. Chrome OS on tablets and netbooks will make it easier to sync and interact. Google reaches out to companies whilst Apple burns bridges with them.

There's still a few battles to be fought. But like an experienced chess player can see who's likely to win the overall game after just a few moves, it's plain for anyone with any insight (even Apple themselves) that Google has all the pieces in place to dominate all these fields in the long term.
 

S. Fourteen

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#33
I'll let the IP lawyers deal with it, but I know that Moto can't file a suit naming just Apple. Moto needs to file against every manufacture that sells/sold mobile phones. Then the question would arise as to why Moto waited this long. The biggest compensation would come from Apple due to their large revenue, but that's not going to lead to bankruptcy and iPhone will continue to be sold.

Apple burns bridges to gain profits AND make the user experience better. It's really looking great for Apple at this point. 85 million plus devices running the iPhone OS which makes the platform very attractive to potential developers and with iAd, more and more developers are likely join the Apple family.

I'm continued to be surprised that you take such stance against control and oppression yet you express strong support for frighteningly powerful company like Google. I mean, I like free stuff too but I would never want to play chess with all white pieces. One king makes for a horrible game of chess imo.
 

Casey

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#34
The difference is that Google is trying to make the world a better place.

They didn't have to pull out of China to make a stance against censorship. They didn't have to launch projects like Google Books whose sole aim is easy, worldwide access to as much information as possible. Their motto of "Don't be evil", is absolutely not, as Steve Jobs put it "bullshit". I know people who work at Google including a cousin of mine and they live and breathe this motto. There's no pressure to make money, hell, Google employees can spend 20% of their time on their own projects, a stance that has led to great developments across the board.

I like Google because they are inclusive of the needs, wants, thoughts, dreams of every one of their users. Apple are exclusive - either you do it exactly their way, or fuck you.

Their operation is almost cult-like, with their army of fanboys high-fiving each other over the latest overpriced, clinically dull, underpowered products that they actually believe is some sort of social neccesity rather than just electronics. They remind me of Scientologists. The level of radicalism amongst their supporters is insane. That kid that walked out of an Apple store with his iPad proclaiming that he "felt like Jesus" or some such rubbish. It's disturbing and you don't get that with any other consumer electronics company. Not Sony, not Microsoft, not Google.....who all make better products that enjoy widespread popularity without having to make their supporters feel like they are part of a cult.

Funny, because my female bandmate worked in an Apple store for 4 months. She was just eyecandy, and everyone else that worked there were the most fervent of Apple supporters. She said they were the nerdiest, dullest, least interesting people she had ever met and they all continually talked nothing but Apple in a cult-like manner as if they had access to some sort of secret knowledge that nobody else had.

From an outside perspective, that is the most disturbing part of Apple. And they are most definitely the ones encouraging and perpetuating this behaviour. It doesn't take a language scientist to analyse the way their product launch speeches are written to realize that they deliberately use brainwashing and audience-empowerment techniques to effectively hypnotise their audience into endlessly repeating their nonsensical claims and mantras. Much like Jim Jones, before he led his "People's Temple" into a mass suicide ritual.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Jobs did that when his health starts failing. "Come on people, swallow your iPills, grab your iPads and we'll all ascend into a super clean sterile white-plastic heaven for eternity! It'll look like the greatest Apple store there's ever been!"
 

Casey

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#38
Anyone who thinks HTML5 is a substitute for Flash doesn't know what the fuck they are talking about.

Flash video - yes. But video is not the only thing that Flash does.
 

masta247

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#39
If I remember correctly about 70% of the most viewed websites right now use flash. Flash is a very powerful tool and not including it is always a huge mistake. Especially since we have the latest flash which offers really a lot.
My phone out of the box does not have flash either and it.. hurts.
 

S. Fourteen

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#40
You're right Casey, I'm not a programmer and most of the information I gathered can be summarized on Wiki HTML5 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As far as iPhones go;

HTML5 video - check.
HTML5 advertisement - check.
HTML5 games - I do not know this but flash games suck period and I'm sure games can be made without flash, so check.

Care to add the missing parts, Casey or masta?
 

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