Technology Opinions on this laptops

masta247

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#21
Look into Athlon processors, more powerful imo.

I'm using a 64 X2 Dual-core processor 5000+ right now, and it rapes. Gonna be switching to Quads in a few months.
I suppose you're talking about desktop PCs.
The situation is totally different with Notebooks since mobile processors don't have much to do right now with desktop cpus.
In laptops AMD processors suck unfortunately. They drain a lot of energy while being less efficient.

Core 2 duo is the best for laptops right now. Pentium Dual Core is way inferior, even if it had way more mhz, the cpu architecture is just way more limited.

Then let's go to the GPU - graphical memory doesn't matter that much for laptops since most mobile graphic chips are limited elsewhere.
Right now ATI graphics cards seem to be the best for laptops. Nvidia 9000 series are just recycled 8000 series under new names. most 8000series cards stole memory from Ram, with 9000 they avoid saying that they drain your memory by saying that they support up to xxx mb of ram.
In reality in best case the card will steal some memory from ram while having some of it's own memory (usually a little amount of it).
Since you don't play the newest games on high resolutions on laptops 256mb would be really enough. I had a good 256mb graphics even on my pc and it was quite good for hd gaming on older games, I replaced it with a 512mb one but in lower resolutions visual memory doesn't make any difference, especially in older games with smaller textures.
However it's a bit complicated with notebook graphics since the fastest one with 1gb of memory in a 2000$ notebook still won't be as good as an average modern desktop PC gpu with 512mb memory for 100$ or so. So that's why they say that laptops are not good for gaming. Games that really need 512mb of graphic memory will be too demanding to run properly because the mobile graphics chip is just too slow. However considering that the resolution of your screen will be quite huge for a laptop you might do better by looking for a 512mb *just in case*. 256mb graphics is not bad though and in most cases you won't feel a difference because of lacking memory in this class of graphic chips.
If you're talking about average games like Doom 3 most modern laptops will be good enough and actually you won't see a big difference between them.
To show it in some better perspective:
Here's a benchmark of 9300M:
Notebookcheck: NVIDIA GeForce 9300M GS

In short it's better to have 512mb rather than 256mb but the difference will only be visible in higher resolutions/ newest games with big textures.
It's better to have a faster 256mb graphic card than a bit slower 512mb.

If you're looking for a full featured laptop with Blu-ray etc. this Acer is a good solution in this price since it doesn't really have any competition.

If you'd ask me for the best 600 euro laptop from that site considering you don't need blu-ray I'd pick this:

ASUS K70IO-TY014C Laptop K70IO-TY014C - Laptops Direct
That's if you don't care about the size and portability - a typical "gaming" laptop with a great graphics card with 1gb of it's own memory and a 17inch, high resolution screen.
If you don't care about laptop's size the 17 inch screen should be a really great thing for you for gaming and AutoCAD.
Except for the lack of blu-ray it's better with everything - better company (so I assume better quality and service), faster cpu, bigger hdd, more and faster ram (2x2gb in dual channel) and despite of it being bigger it's weight is lower. Oh and most of all the graphics card is about 300% more efficient than that in Acer.
here you can see how efficient that gpu is:
Notebookcheck: NVIDIA GeForce GT 120M
 

2Pax

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#22
Regarding AMD Vs Intel, Intel tend to make processors with faster clock speeds but AMD's processors do more work per clock cycle.
Even though Intel is probably the market leader, AMD are no pushovers. I've used many types of processors from the two manufacturers over the years and haven't noticed any difference although saying that I haven't played any of the high demanding games on my PC, and can't comment on laptop performance as I have never owned one.

If you haven't got your heart set on an Intel machine I would have a look at this laptop;

Compaq CQ60 Laptop - Laptops at Ebuyer

It would play the games you mentioned just fine but wouldnt be able to handle anything recent.
 

masta247

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Staff member
#24
Regarding AMD Vs Intel, Intel tend to make processors with faster clock speeds but AMD's processors do more work per clock cycle.
Even though Intel is probably the market leader, AMD are no pushovers. I've used many types of processors from the two manufacturers over the years and haven't noticed any difference although saying that I haven't played any of the high demanding games on my PC, and can't comment on laptop performance as I have never owned one.
Yeah the competition is quite hardcore at the moment since while one company starts to dominate the other comes up with something better. It's pretty much head to head for years already however AMD is definitely better for cheaper desktop systems and worse for mobile devices.
Since AMD connected with ATI also desktop ATI graphic cards are superior to Nvidia if it comes to value/price ratio.
Also Nvidia is not as innovative - they tend to recycle their past graphic cards giving them new names and selling for more $ while ATI came out with some really decent, new chips lately.
 

THEV1LL4N

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#27
amd used to be a good competitor for intel around 5+ years ago. intel are more efficient and cost-effective now. they are dominating the market and their products are more futureproof with compatibility with cpu's/motherboards.

the benefits of having an intel product are far more than having an amd product.

i have amd athlon 64 on my 'tiny' pc, core2duo on my acer aspire.
 

THEV1LL4N

Well-Known Member
#28
AMD collects $1.25 billion check from Intel

AMD collects $1.25 billion check from Intel

11 December 2009 13:06 by Andre "DVDBack23" Yoskowitz | 8 comments
AMD collects $1.25 billion check from Intel Last month Intel agreed to pay rival chip-maker AMD $1.25 billion USD to settle all legal complaints, most stemming from anti-competition suits filed in the US and the EU.

Today, AMD has confirmed they have received the full $1.25 billion settlement check, and all complaints are finished.

Additionally, both sides agreed on a renewed five-year cross-license agreement. AMD says they are beyond satisfied with the agreement as it will allow the chip makers to compete "on a level playing field."

Intel must also now follow a new set of guidelines agreed upon by both companies.

The larger chip maker is still on the hook in the EU however, with the EC threatening a billion dollar fine for patent violations.
 

Bobby Sands

Well-Known Member
#29
I suppose you're talking about desktop PCs.
The situation is totally different with Notebooks since mobile processors don't have much to do right now with desktop cpus.
In laptops AMD processors suck unfortunately. They drain a lot of energy while being less efficient.

Core 2 duo is the best for laptops right now. Pentium Dual Core is way inferior, even if it had way more mhz, the cpu architecture is just way more limited.

Then let's go to the GPU - graphical memory doesn't matter that much for laptops since most mobile graphic chips are limited elsewhere.
Right now ATI graphics cards seem to be the best for laptops. Nvidia 9000 series are just recycled 8000 series under new names. most 8000series cards stole memory from Ram, with 9000 they avoid saying that they drain your memory by saying that they support up to xxx mb of ram.
In reality in best case the card will steal some memory from ram while having some of it's own memory (usually a little amount of it).
Since you don't play the newest games on high resolutions on laptops 256mb would be really enough. I had a good 256mb graphics even on my pc and it was quite good for hd gaming on older games, I replaced it with a 512mb one but in lower resolutions visual memory doesn't make any difference, especially in older games with smaller textures.
However it's a bit complicated with notebook graphics since the fastest one with 1gb of memory in a 2000$ notebook still won't be as good as an average modern desktop PC gpu with 512mb memory for 100$ or so. So that's why they say that laptops are not good for gaming. Games that really need 512mb of graphic memory will be too demanding to run properly because the mobile graphics chip is just too slow. However considering that the resolution of your screen will be quite huge for a laptop you might do better by looking for a 512mb *just in case*. 256mb graphics is not bad though and in most cases you won't feel a difference because of lacking memory in this class of graphic chips.
If you're talking about average games like Doom 3 most modern laptops will be good enough and actually you won't see a big difference between them.
To show it in some better perspective:
Here's a benchmark of 9300M:
Notebookcheck: NVIDIA GeForce 9300M GS

In short it's better to have 512mb rather than 256mb but the difference will only be visible in higher resolutions/ newest games with big textures.
It's better to have a faster 256mb graphic card than a bit slower 512mb.

If you're looking for a full featured laptop with Blu-ray etc. this Acer is a good solution in this price since it doesn't really have any competition.

If you'd ask me for the best 600 euro laptop from that site considering you don't need blu-ray I'd pick this:

ASUS K70IO-TY014C Laptop K70IO-TY014C - Laptops Direct
That's if you don't care about the size and portability - a typical "gaming" laptop with a great graphics card with 1gb of it's own memory and a 17inch, high resolution screen.
If you don't care about laptop's size the 17 inch screen should be a really great thing for you for gaming and AutoCAD.
Except for the lack of blu-ray it's better with everything - better company (so I assume better quality and service), faster cpu, bigger hdd, more and faster ram (2x2gb in dual channel) and despite of it being bigger it's weight is lower. Oh and most of all the graphics card is about 300% more efficient than that in Acer.
here you can see how efficient that gpu is:
Notebookcheck: NVIDIA GeForce GT 120M
thats a nice laptop. are Asus good though?

the only problem is the price. That laptop including postage to Ireland would cost me about 650 euros.
 

masta247

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Staff member
#33
^^tbh i had been ignoring their laptops because i was under the impression that they were poor quality.

maybe its Advent im thinking of?
I don't know but Acer has been always known for poor quality. They got better lately but Asus is still a better company.
 

Casey

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Staff member
#36
/\ I just tried building a Laptop from Dell's site with the same spec as that one I just posted.....it came to £652.99!!!!!!

I think I might get me one of those £360 offers! You don't often see deals that good.
 

masta247

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Staff member
#37
Ebuyer Extra Value Laptop - Laptops at Ebuyer

This is the best deal I've seen in ages!

Core 2 Duo 2.2 GhZ with 4GB of RAM for £360!

It's cheap because it ships without an OS (like that's a problem lol)
Well, I wouldn't be too sure about its quality though. Also, there's a terrible graphics chip on it. For office work, movies and such it'll be okay but for gaming and any graphics it just won't do.
Personally I avoid no-name hardware thinking that it's better to pay more for quality/service/reliability. You could also feel that every part in this laptop would feel cheaper and be of a worse quality except for the core specs.
However they had to cut the price somewhere and with Dell you pay a few euros extra just because it's Dell.
 

Casey

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Staff member
#38
I don't play games on my computer, ever. I don't have a single game installed on my desktop at the moment.

The computer I use right now is a 2.66 GhZ, 2GB of RAM, Intel 82865G GFX chip. It's a Dell Dimension 3000 that I bought almost 5 years ago (it had 1GB of RAM at the time but I manually upgraded it myself).

Honestly if my new laptop performed exactly the same as my current desktop for a decent price, I'd be happy. So this machine is a win for me.

Almost the exact same machine from Dell is gonna cost £300 more just for the brand name and the chassis? Fuck that.

I don't think there's anything wrong with no name hardware. Growing up, one of my cousins always built his own computers from scratch with no brand name manufacturer being involved, and he always had the most powerful machines for a fraction of the cost that other people would spend.
 

masta247

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Staff member
#39
I don't think there's anything wrong with no name hardware. Growing up, one of my cousins always built his own computers from scratch with no brand name manufacturer being involved, and he always had the most powerful machines for a fraction of the cost that other people would spend.
I also always build my PCs from the scratch and most parts while seem to be "no-name" are not no-name in reality - they are created by huge companies like Gigabyte, MSI, Chieftec, Tagan, XFX, Galaxy etc. but since most people don't recognize half of them they might look like no-names.
No no-name company produces processors, motherboards, graphic cards etc and actually buying a graphics card off ebay or any other place will get you a better one and more reliable than that in a Dell PC and you can do that for a way lower price.
I never understood people who bought Dell or IBM desktop PCs, not to mention Apple. More expensive, less efficient/reliable and simply silly.

However it's close to impossible to build your own laptop at home or whatever and "third party" parts are not available to buy.
So you can either buy a branded laptop or a no-name one.
Laptops from (for example) cheap Chinese manufacturers use branded cpus, gpus, sometimes hdds and everything else is of the worst quality possible since they are manufacturing it and they want it to be as cheap as possible. Also audio quality, display quality, build quality, electronics inside and motherboards are not as good and not as reliable.
I understand that paying twice as much for a Dell laptop isn't the best thing to do but I'm sure there are laptops in the middle. And personally I think everything from Dell is way overpriced - their quality is barely average.
 

Flipmo

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#40
Those brand name PCs you buy have crap-ass stock pieces, 9/10 of the time you can't even clock the damn processors without them melting into putty.

Building your own PC > Anything you buy in stores.
 

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