Your conclusion on God's existence
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chronic,
what im saying is, personally I know that god is real. I went through the same motions you guys did with the 'prove it' stage, and with my own experience I found there is a god out there that responds to people who seek him.
science wants evidence now..christianity calls on faith - the belief in whats not seen. the two mix like oil and water.
the point im making is slow down because you have a justified point about wanting to know why things dont add up from science to bible- lets just keep an open mind about the answers we give and accept the answer with an open mind without killing the messanger.
if god is out there, he might be reaching out to you now through this topic..considering that these discussions lead to deeper thought, and if anything that leads to a deeper discovery to a personal development
so bottom line - lets hear each other out and work towards an understanding rather than cutting the other side down
what im saying is, personally I know that god is real. I went through the same motions you guys did with the 'prove it' stage, and with my own experience I found there is a god out there that responds to people who seek him.
science wants evidence now..christianity calls on faith - the belief in whats not seen. the two mix like oil and water.
the point im making is slow down because you have a justified point about wanting to know why things dont add up from science to bible- lets just keep an open mind about the answers we give and accept the answer with an open mind without killing the messanger.
if god is out there, he might be reaching out to you now through this topic..considering that these discussions lead to deeper thought, and if anything that leads to a deeper discovery to a personal development
so bottom line - lets hear each other out and work towards an understanding rather than cutting the other side down
but clearly you are living in fear of whats going to happen when you die...which, i understand from a certain perspective; your point is that even if your wrong about and "after-life" that it wont matter becuase your dead anyway?...
i'll pose it to you another way....what if this is the ONLY life you have, and you will live it for the rest of eternity?....you will have wasted that one life you have worrying about something that will never happen...
peace.
i'll pose it to you another way....what if this is the ONLY life you have, and you will live it for the rest of eternity?....you will have wasted that one life you have worrying about something that will never happen...
peace.
well lets suppose you are right and we all have 1 life to live with no after life..how will you know what you are missing? why would it matter? you live you breathe then you die and then have no recall of what you previously did.
and lets say that god doesnt exist, but the church still helps people. I can list statistics about how marriages in church stay together more (as opposed to none church goers) children have more respect toward parents and all that..but even if god is fake - the establishment of a church and belief of a higher power helps people exist with hope and allows those to strive for a higher level of morality..so why disturb the idea of god if it helps others? this is on the assumption that the lord isnt real...
and lets say that god doesnt exist, but the church still helps people. I can list statistics about how marriages in church stay together more (as opposed to none church goers) children have more respect toward parents and all that..but even if god is fake - the establishment of a church and belief of a higher power helps people exist with hope and allows those to strive for a higher level of morality..so why disturb the idea of god if it helps others? this is on the assumption that the lord isnt real...
I personally have no problem with people who are religious, its the people who are zealous about it that they will do anything to spread their message that tick me off. You can think that the earth is 6000 years old, but don't force that message on people. You can think that God created every creature on the planet, but don't force schools to teach that.
thats cool glock,
but it's hard to get away from schools recognizing god and all that in schools when this country was founded on christian beliefs to begin with, with the bill of rights. thomas jefferson and the rest of the guys used a bible and made every man equal and all that based on bible principals (notice the dollar says in god we trust) after we beat up england..so yeah in a sense you are right. we are a country that has the god given right NOT to believe in god openly based on our countrys own set rules..if we had christians or who ever forcing our beliefs in your face with no choice, we'd be no different that some of those other places that we pick on..
but it's hard to get away from schools recognizing god and all that in schools when this country was founded on christian beliefs to begin with, with the bill of rights. thomas jefferson and the rest of the guys used a bible and made every man equal and all that based on bible principals (notice the dollar says in god we trust) after we beat up england..so yeah in a sense you are right. we are a country that has the god given right NOT to believe in god openly based on our countrys own set rules..if we had christians or who ever forcing our beliefs in your face with no choice, we'd be no different that some of those other places that we pick on..
Thats better, Big difference between that and God actually writing the book
^^doing that shitty emoticon on every post you make does NOT make you look any more intelligent....its really really lame.
If you can find another post on this whole thread on all 20 or something posts i've made with that icon i will write kman is king at the end of every post i make from now on. until then STFU!.
Yes you busted me, I completely fell into that!
^^doing that shitty emoticon on every post you make does NOT make you look any more intelligent....its really really lame.
Yes you busted me, I completely fell into that!
So do you, you like the bits and pieces of science that don't go against your precious evolution theory.
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Yes i agree, Sure my theory is vague atleast i admit that unlike you hardcore sci-fi nuts who will accept any garbage put into neat scientific words and call it fact no matter how much it lacks evidence and how much evidence there is against it
Because my theories are always labeled fairy tales, including by you when in fact your theories are just as fairy talish and wishful thinking as mine.
What is the point in anything you've posted? the scientific world doesn't accept any of it, Your theories are vague redundant and have long since been disregarded as possibilities. They're done by Anti-religious extremists and racists, stemming from Darwin himself
There was no point in anything you've posted including that article of yours, i've debunked it with a single sentense. and i did look cool and smart when i did that. You and jokerman have not posted anything besides that article of yours that contained nothing but a bunch of speculations, maybies, and stories. Where is the fucking science you keep talking about?
You've posted nothing scientific!. For fuck sakes
Yes i agree with you everything i've posted has no broad foundation within the scientific community, thats because they came from evolutionists and anti-creationists, as well as everything you've dug up from evolutionists, or is it just the stuff i've come up with? Ha you make me laugh!
Yup truly amazing isn't it? We used the tool of science to know and understand Gods artistry and design, not how every damn thing fell into place by mere chance, coincidence and fucking mistakes. OK, got that?
God i hope that happens before they find evidence of your All Mighty Creator "ChAnCe".
No need to change something that has no reason change, and infact will never have a need to change!
Time is something your belief doesn't have.
Lol Like what?
Do i care? I'm not catholic
Funny you mention that, cause thats what Darwin exactly wished and hoped for to happen centuries after his death, 150 years later his and your beliefs have went nowhere but downhill ever since, as expected from such fantasies. Fantasies desquised as sceince cant hide from REAL science. The truth will always be told.
And stop wishing for somethings that can never happen. "Details of evolution" "how life started" "End of Religion". Seems like you're out on a mention to prove your religion right and mine wrong. haha
WoW that brought up many memories of when i debated christianity with this christian, he got extremely offended and defensive that he ignored me. Im sorry If i've ever offended your religious beliefs, i do respect them all the same!.
I've never read such a useless and worthless post in my entire TB life, Stay on topic or else run your fingers randomly somewhere else. for now go spontaneously generate a watch for me will yah?
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Yes i agree, Sure my theory is vague atleast i admit that unlike you hardcore sci-fi nuts who will accept any garbage put into neat scientific words and call it fact no matter how much it lacks evidence and how much evidence there is against it
Because my theories are always labeled fairy tales, including by you when in fact your theories are just as fairy talish and wishful thinking as mine.
What is the point in anything you've posted? the scientific world doesn't accept any of it, Your theories are vague redundant and have long since been disregarded as possibilities. They're done by Anti-religious extremists and racists, stemming from Darwin himself
There was no point in anything you've posted including that article of yours, i've debunked it with a single sentense. and i did look cool and smart when i did that. You and jokerman have not posted anything besides that article of yours that contained nothing but a bunch of speculations, maybies, and stories. Where is the fucking science you keep talking about?
You've posted nothing scientific!. For fuck sakes
Yes i agree with you everything i've posted has no broad foundation within the scientific community, thats because they came from evolutionists and anti-creationists, as well as everything you've dug up from evolutionists, or is it just the stuff i've come up with? Ha you make me laugh!
Yup truly amazing isn't it? We used the tool of science to know and understand Gods artistry and design, not how every damn thing fell into place by mere chance, coincidence and fucking mistakes. OK, got that?
God i hope that happens before they find evidence of your All Mighty Creator "ChAnCe".
No need to change something that has no reason change, and infact will never have a need to change!
Time is something your belief doesn't have.
Lol Like what?
Do i care? I'm not catholic
Funny you mention that, cause thats what Darwin exactly wished and hoped for to happen centuries after his death, 150 years later his and your beliefs have went nowhere but downhill ever since, as expected from such fantasies. Fantasies desquised as sceince cant hide from REAL science. The truth will always be told.
And stop wishing for somethings that can never happen. "Details of evolution" "how life started" "End of Religion". Seems like you're out on a mention to prove your religion right and mine wrong. haha
WoW that brought up many memories of when i debated christianity with this christian, he got extremely offended and defensive that he ignored me. Im sorry If i've ever offended your religious beliefs, i do respect them all the same!.
I've never read such a useless and worthless post in my entire TB life, Stay on topic or else run your fingers randomly somewhere else. for now go spontaneously generate a watch for me will yah?
Hate to make 3 posts in a row but, I dont live life accroding to Islam because I fear God, I live it to know my creator that gave me this life. I live as a Muslim because i enjoy it and love living it as a Muslim. So if I died and nothing happened after that I did enjoy my short stay on Earth, in other words it was not a waste as you put it. Believing in God because you fear him and worrying what he might do with you will not help, it must come from the heart.
Whats the difference? You can believe the earth is 4.5 billion years old without proof, or think that an elephant evolved from seaweed, but dont force schools to teach that.
And of course you like religious people who arent zealous, those are the lukewarm that God says he will spit out of His mouth. God wants people who are exited about Him, exited to learn all they can about Him, and want to tell everyone about God, that the person cares about.
Thats what I think you have mixed up about most christians. I dont really like religion myself, that is not important. The personal relationship with God is whats important. I dont want you to go to join a church, or give all your money away, I just dont want anyone to go to hell. I dont know you, but I still care.
And of course you like religious people who arent zealous, those are the lukewarm that God says he will spit out of His mouth. God wants people who are exited about Him, exited to learn all they can about Him, and want to tell everyone about God, that the person cares about.
Thats what I think you have mixed up about most christians. I dont really like religion myself, that is not important. The personal relationship with God is whats important. I dont want you to go to join a church, or give all your money away, I just dont want anyone to go to hell. I dont know you, but I still care.
wut made me not believe in god?
logic, if god is real, who created god. God is jus something people make up to give hope for the after life, and to explain things that they're to lazy to find out for themselves.
my opinion on what happens after ur dead? the same thing that happens before u wer born, u jus arnt ther nemore. The world goes on without u, as it did before u wer born. Sounds depressing but its the only thing that makes sense to me
logic, if god is real, who created god. God is jus something people make up to give hope for the after life, and to explain things that they're to lazy to find out for themselves.
my opinion on what happens after ur dead? the same thing that happens before u wer born, u jus arnt ther nemore. The world goes on without u, as it did before u wer born. Sounds depressing but its the only thing that makes sense to me
1) There is proof to the age of the earth
2) Elephants didn't evolve from seaweed, learn more about evolution please
3)We teach evolution in science class because its what we know so far. If you don't want to learn it go to a private school
4)I like moderate religious people because they can take criticism and incorporate science into their beliefs
5)You don't like religion? Your posts sure don't support that
2) Elephants didn't evolve from seaweed, learn more about evolution please
3)We teach evolution in science class because its what we know so far. If you don't want to learn it go to a private school
4)I like moderate religious people because they can take criticism and incorporate science into their beliefs
5)You don't like religion? Your posts sure don't support that
1. There is no proof to the age of the earth period.
2. according to evolution seaweed and elephants would have evolved from a common ancestor
3. Evolution is taught in school because it doesnt include God, not because we know it to be true.
4. so you like uneducated religious people who arent knowegeble enough to defend themselves, and science and my beliefs go hand in hand.
5. and no I dont really like organized religion. What about my posts dont support that? My posts are more God centered I believe as opposed to say protestant centered.
If people were going to make up a god, why make up such a demanding God like the one we have. If man were to make a god chances are it would be ok to lie and cheat on your wife sometimes or whatever, because that is what man desires. People are sinful, God is the polar opposite, it doesnt make sense that man would create a God that would send them to hell, does it.
Once again, there is proof of the age of the earth, you just ignore them
A common ancestor yes, but not an elephant that came from seaweed
Oh, so thats why we're taught math and english. Science class teaches what we know through science. Teachers don't teach the nitrogen cycle or gravity by saying "God does it, class dismissed", they explain it by what we know by experiments and tests.
I like educated religious people who accept modern ideas. I like people who can read the bible and not take it literally
You have the ideals of an evangelists
A common ancestor yes, but not an elephant that came from seaweed
Oh, so thats why we're taught math and english. Science class teaches what we know through science. Teachers don't teach the nitrogen cycle or gravity by saying "God does it, class dismissed", they explain it by what we know by experiments and tests.
I like educated religious people who accept modern ideas. I like people who can read the bible and not take it literally
You have the ideals of an evangelists
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