Who's For The Death Penalty...........

#42
I think they should bring back the old school torture shit... U the know the stuff they did back in medieval times... Hang draw and quarter them! and bring back the stocks and shit, so the public can throw shit at them... Burning at the stake seems pretty good idea as well....
 
#43
AmerikazMost said:
The death penalty is neither economical nor a deterrent. It costs more for the whole death penalty process than a life sentence trial plus keeping him alive in prison for 40 years.
Jokerman said:
It costs more to keep someone in prison for a year than it would to send a deserving young person to virtually any college in the nation for the same length of time. However, executing a criminal needn't cost more than a few dollars for rope, which is easily reusable.
Hmm...
 

Sebastian

Well-Known Member
#44
xXHizzo.M40Xx said:
I think they should bring back the old school torture shit... U the know the stuff they did back in medieval times... Hang draw and quarter them! and bring back the stocks and shit, so the public can throw shit at them... Burning at the stake seems pretty good idea as well....

r u serious? if so, good that it wont happen...
 

AmerikazMost

Well-Known Member
#45
beReal said:
oh, really?
Yes..

damn it, i knew i shouldn't have deleted my speech :mad: , i'll try to remember everything


between the pre-trial hearings, the trial, the extra prosecution fees, the extra experts, the extra investigation, the post-trial hearings, the appeals hearings, and then keeping the man alive on death row for x amount of years, a death sentence situaion will cost millions. whereas a life sentence will barely break a million, even with the 40 years to keep him alive being taken into account.

keeping a man alive in prison for 40 years costs about $700,000 if i recall correctly, which is peanuts to all the other costs of a death sentence situation.
 
#46
Although some people deserve it, I'm against it, but I'm in favour of life sentence. It'd be better to make that people do useful things instead of being killed, but it's very important not to let them out, that happens in my country very often. Murderers come out after 4 or 5 years for different reasons, and prisons don't have enough money, so it's a very serious problem over here.
 
#49
To be honest, I would be more in favor of life sentences over death if life actually meant life and not 25 years with a chance of parole and credit for good behavior and all that shit. If you get a life sentence, it should mean you spend the rest of your life in prison, no parole, no nothing. Unfortunately we all know that's not how it works
 

AmerikazMost

Well-Known Member
#50
CalcuoCuchicheo said:
My point exactly. AmerikazMost, take note.
I never said it wasn't the justice system. Everything I explained was about the system. I never actually said I was the against the death penalty (take notes next time).

But you can't ignore that the two are intertwined, and right now it's not logical to have it.
 
#53
I see where you're getting at bigmack, an Eye for an Eye. BTW I'm against this, it's not by executing the one who committed the murder is going to bring back your loved ones. There is simply too much hate going around. If you guys want a good moral regarding not death penalty but hate and the proverb mentioned above check out the french movie La Haine; The Hate in english but it's subtitled. Probably one of the best movies ever that really makes you think how society and a government can be.

Peace
 
#54
Devious187 said:
If you get a life sentence, it should mean you spend the rest of your life in prison, no parole, no nothing. Unfortunately we all know that's not how it works
:thumb: it's the best solution, but i don't know why it's seems so difficult to do things right
 
#58
Prophet G said:
Judge is claiming to be god by taking away a life. Bs, u have no right. Let him die in prison by himself.
Religion - & all things relating to it - have no place in a court of law.

And yes, I'm aware you have to swear an oath, that shouldn't happen either.
 

AmerikazMost

Well-Known Member
#59
CalcuoCuchicheo said:
Religion - & all things relating to it - have no place in a court of law.

And yes, I'm aware you have to swear an oath, that shouldn't happen either.
The Second Continental Congress said:
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refuted his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred. to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. --And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
Except for the fact that this founding of America has religious ties in it.

Everything is tied into religion, whether you like it or not. Including our moral beliefs, such as killing is wrong.

And yes, Calc, I know this subject doesn't just apply to America.
 

Latest posts

Donate

Any donations will be used to help pay for the site costs, and anything donated above will be donated to C-Dub's son on behalf of this community.

Members online

No members online now.
Top