Who will be new Newcastle manager?

[troublesome2004]

I'm all for competition, but having a Russian gangster pump an endless supply of money into a club doesn't create competition, it creates a monopoly. Chelsea can buy whoever they want, which is something no other club can realistically do. Now you see Chelsea buying players they don't even want just to spite their rivals. I think Mourinho's a great manager, but I'd respect him a lot more if he was successful without all the roubles.


I notice you didn't mention Ruud Van Nistelrooy. Maybe that's because he had a better scoring rate than Kezman during his time at PSV, and he continued scoring goals once he moved to the Premiership. That's why he's World Class.

What separates Abramovich from other football royalty? Is Berlusconi different? To me, he's gangster which uses law to maintain his criminal activities. And he's controling media in Italy. Also, he's primeminister. To me, that's monopoly. Remember Checci Gori or Jesus Gil? There are so many dirty money in football. We must admit that. Plus, Abramovich is much exploited in the public because he's a new face. And he is not the only one coming from former USSR. Hearts or Portsmouth have their Russians also. Still, you can't call it monopoly. Moratti in Inter spending so much many, far more then Abramovich ever will, and still they can't win the title.
I didn't mention Van Nistelrooy eause Kezman made bigger impact in PSV than Rud. PSV fans also think that. I'm not sure who had better scoring rate but I know that they played short together and Kezman was first choice in atack. Ask why?
I agree that Rud is World Class. And Kezman is also. But things are much easier for Rud. He was only real striker in club until Rooney came.

 

[troublesome2004]

I'm sorry to burst your bubble but they don't.

I wouldn't get too hopeful.

Prove me that I'm wrong. Name the national team with better defence. I guess Alex Ferguson was blind when he buyed Vidic. And rest of 'Great Four' are also wanted on football market but they are happy with their clubs. Shalke, Dinamo Kiev or Sevilla are also solid clubs where you can play with less pressure than in England or Italy. But, Gavrancic will probably move this summer into Italy. For Krstajic is now late but, years ago, he was on Arsenal's wish list but he prefered Bundes liga. Dragutinovic wanted to go to Spain despite Monaco and some Italian clubs wanted him. I would do the same if I ws on his place.
We'll see what will World Cup bring to all of us. Our defence will be tested there, but also opponent's. Then we'll see am I too hopeful or I'm just realistic.

 

[2Pax]

Prove me that I'm wrong. Name the national team with better defence.

Gary Neville, Rio Ferdinand, John Terry, Ashley Cole.

I guess Alex Ferguson was blind when he buyed Vidic.

I can't really judge Vidic as I havn't seen him play that much, a few times for Man United and I've seen some highlights of him playing for Serbia & Montenegro, thats about it. He seems like a decent defender, but he still needs to establish himself more.

 

[tHuG $TyLe]

Eh..Your bored of Man Utd and Arsenal duels?

So its more exciting to see Chelsea be 15 points clear? with no rivals challanging them? Lol.

The way Chelsea work is they will buy players other teams want then loan them out.

They stole Robben from Man Utd
Mikel not sure whats happening with that one
Simao was on his way to Liverpool, but Chelsea intervened when they don't even need him.

Alot of other teams spent their own money, whereas Chelsea are relying on Roman to buy success.

 

[Jibster]

I guess Alex Ferguson was blind when he buyed Vidic.

Or when he paid 4 times the Vidic amount for Rio Ferdinand? Or for the last 10 years he's been playing Gary Neville. That's half of Englands back four. Weak argument and Serbia are one of the weakest teams in the World Cup, imo.

 

[troublesome2004]

Gary Neville, Rio Ferdinand, John Terry, Ashley Cole.



I can't really judge Vidic as I havn't seen him play that much, a few times for Man United and I've seen some highlights of him playing for Serbia & Montenegro, thats about it. He seems like a decent defender, but he still needs to establish himself more.

Terry is outstanding player and Ferdinand is very good also but he must discipline himself. Ashely Cole was injured for so long. Quality of his perfomance for England will be under question. And Gery Neville? C'mon man. He's just a shadow of player that he was once like many Manchester United players. Remember Butt, Phil Neville or Scholes?
Vidic needs some time to adapt on English football but next season everybody will praise him.
Serbian defenders are less famous than English but they are harder workers and more talented, and most of all - they are more humble.

 

[troublesome2004]

Eh..Your bored of Man Utd and Arsenal duels?

So its more exciting to see Chelsea be 15 points clear? with no rivals challanging them? Lol.

The way Chelsea work is they will buy players other teams want then loan them out.

They stole Robben from Man Utd
Mikel not sure whats happening with that one
Simao was on his way to Liverpool, but Chelsea intervened when they don't even need him.

Alot of other teams spent their own money, whereas Chelsea are relying on Roman to buy success.

What you like to see more? Your team 15 points clear on top of the table or battling with one of two teams until last game.
Do you understand that Manchester is still between top teams because others are so weak or out of gas. If Liverpool had better start we would see a different story. Manchester needs 'fresh blood'. That is what Ferguson is trying to do with Vidic and Evra and with great comeback of Saha.
And what to say about Arsenal? After Viera left they collapsed. Henry is not enough. They still giving space to breath for granddaddy Bergkamp but they are going good in CL. Untipically.
Chelsea is superior this season. In the same time his main rivals are too weak. You can't blame Abramovich for that.
I have question for you. If you were on Abramovich's place wouldn't you do the same to stop rivals to sign quality players? When you are building the empire you don't have your hands clean every time.

 

[troublesome2004]

Or when he paid 4 times the Vidic amount for Rio Ferdinand? Or for the last 10 years he's been playing Gary Neville. That's half of Englands back four. Weak argument and Serbia are one of the weakest teams in the World Cup, imo.

Some Englishmen are often rude and too proud. I guess that is the effect of a philosophy 'We are the greatest and we rule the world.' Man, go back to XIX century. Your head is in a clouds. Try walk on Earth.
Who are you to claim that Serbia is one of the weakest teams in the World Cup? We finished qualifications on the top of our group, undefeated and with only ONE goal suffered. We were ahead of 'mighty' Spain. I don't know how you don't have respect for that.
I regret why we are not in the same group with England. Then we would see which defence is better. Anyway, I wish nothing but luck to Eriksson. I respect his work there.
Man, don't have always such high expetations. Maybe you can find yourself very disappointed after the end of World Cup.

 

[2Pax]

Terry is outstanding player and Ferdinand is very good also but he must discipline himself. Ashely Cole was injured for so long. Quality of his perfomance for England will be under question. And Gery Neville? C'mon man. He's just a shadow of player that he was once like many Manchester United players. Remember Butt, Phil Neville or Scholes?
Vidic needs some time to adapt on English football but next season everybody will praise him.
Serbian defenders are less famous than English but they are harder workers and more talented, and most of all - they are more humble.

Yes Cole has been injured recently, but I highly doubt it's gonna make him a less talented player. And Gary Neville is still a solid and reliable right-back.

 

[Illuminattile]

I didn't mention Van Nistelrooy eause Kezman made bigger impact in PSV than Rud. PSV fans also think that. I'm not sure who had better scoring rate but I know that they played short together and Kezman was first choice in atack. Ask why?

Van Nistelrooy signed for a record transfer fee between Dutch clubs and then went on to be Dutch Player of the Year in his first season. Pele ranked him as won of the top 125 footballers alive. He's also proven himself on a European stage with Manchester United, something Kezman failed to do with Chelsea.

I agree that Rud is World Class. And Kezman is also. But things are much easier for Rud. He was only real striker in club until Rooney came.

It's easy to be the only real striker at your club? It's easy to have the responsibility of scoring most of your teams goals?

 

[Illuminattile]

Prove me that I'm wrong. Name the national team with better defence. I guess Alex Ferguson was blind when he buyed Vidic. And rest of 'Great Four' are also wanted on football market but they are happy with their clubs. Shalke, Dinamo Kiev or Sevilla are also solid clubs where you can play with less pressure than in England or Italy. But, Gavrancic will probably move this summer into Italy. For Krstajic is now late but, years ago, he was on Arsenal's wish list but he prefered Bundes liga. Dragutinovic wanted to go to Spain despite Monaco and some Italian clubs wanted him. I would do the same if I ws on his place.
We'll see what will World Cup bring to all of us. Our defence will be tested there, but also opponent's. Then we'll see am I too hopeful or I'm just realistic.

Ok, so of the "Great Four" 1 plays for United and the other 3 play for minor European clubs.

Let's take a look at England's defenders;

Gary Neville, Rio Ferdinand, Wes Brown - all play for Manchester United
John Terry, Wayne Bridge - plays for EPL Champions Chelsea
Ashley Cole, Sol Campbell - play for Arsenal
Jamie Carragher - plays for European Champions Liverpool
Jonathan Woodgate - Real Madrid's best defender

All of those play for better teams than Schalke/Dinamo/Sevilla.

 

[troublesome2004]

Van Nistelrooy signed for a record transfer fee between Dutch clubs and then went on to be Dutch Player of the Year in his first season. Pele ranked him as won of the top 125 footballers alive. He's also proven himself on a European stage with Manchester United, something Kezman failed to do with Chelsea.


It's easy to be the only real striker at your club? It's easy to have the responsibility of scoring most of your teams goals?

It is not my intent to compare Kezman and Van Nistelrooy. Don't drag me into that. I simply want to say that a lot of people don't give credits to Kezman which he surely deserve. Players outside Brasil, Argentina or Western Europe are mostly underrated with exception of Nedved and Shevcenko. Football machinery and market is west-oriented so that is self-explainatory. I only hope that I'll see more eastern club winning trophies like CSKA Moscow or Galatasaray did.
I respect Rud's work in Manchester but if he really wants to be one of the biggest players in Europe he must leave England and prove himself in Italy or Spain. And don't mention Pele. He was great player but he often makes mistakes when it comes to evaluation.

 

[troublesome2004]

Ok, so of the "Great Four" 1 plays for United and the other 3 play for minor European clubs.

Let's take a look at England's defenders;

Gary Neville, Rio Ferdinand, Wes Brown - all play for Manchester United
John Terry, Wayne Bridge - plays for EPL Champions Chelsea
Ashley Cole, Sol Campbell - play for Arsenal
Jamie Carragher - plays for European Champions Liverpool
Jonathan Woodgate - Real Madrid's best defender

All of those play for better teams than Schalke/Dinamo/Sevilla.

I didn't come out with that name 'Great Four'. Journalists did. Even English...
It's at least unforgettable to call Schalke or Dinamo Kiev 'minor European clubs'. Check out their history man.
I think that name of the club is not a real measure of player's quality. You mention Pele earlier. He played for Santos. And Diego Maradona played for Napoli. So, don't mix these two things.
Think again if you think that Wes Brown is a good defender. Every time I see him and Silvestre starting together I'm prepared to see at least couple of stupid moves in the game. Bridge has a huge potential but he's now on loan to Fulham. Campbell doubts himself. What to say about his disappearance few days ago? Once, I consider him one of the top 5 defenders on the planet. But, that days were long ago. Carragher is very strange player. He can play very good but he can also destroy his team effort in one second.
And, the last one, Woodgate! He's lazy and weak. When he came to Newcastle I was dissapointed. I'm glad that he play now for Real... It's a shame that you put his name here. He is the certified racist.
You simply gave me a list of best English defenders. You think that any opponent of England this summer will be scared of that names?

 

[tHuG $TyLe]

You simply gave me a list of best English defenders. You think that any opponent of England this summer will be scared of that names?

Ronaldinho said Terry is one of the best defenders in the world.

Also Ruud as proved himself in the Euro Championships.

 

[Illuminattile]

Think again if you think that Wes Brown is a good defender. Every time I see him and Silvestre starting together I'm prepared to see at least couple of stupid moves in the game.

That's because Silvestre is useless. Wes Brown works perfectly with Rio, because Rio's more cultured and likes to pass the ball around, whereas Brown is a no-nonsense centre half.

As for whether teams will be scared of that back four, they should be. I think they're more likely to be scared of four World Class players than four unproven no-name Serbian defenders.

Face it, you're getting cocky because you managed to qualify at the top of your group. Beating San Marino, Bosnia-Herzegovina and Lithuania is nothing special, beating Belgium was a decent result, and you didn't manage to beat an underperforming Spain.

Now you're in a group with Argentina, Holland and the Ivory Coast. Those three teams are better than all the teams you managed to beat in qualifications, so what makes you think you're going to beat any of them? You think Crespo, Drogba and Van Nistelrooy are going to be "scared" of your defence because you managed to keep clean sheets against weak teams?

 

[troublesome2004]

That's because Silvestre is useless. Wes Brown works perfectly with Rio, because Rio's more cultured and likes to pass the ball around, whereas Brown is a no-nonsense centre half.

As for whether teams will be scared of that back four, they should be. I think they're more likely to be scared of four World Class players than four unproven no-name Serbian defenders.

Face it, you're getting cocky because you managed to qualify at the top of your group. Beating San Marino, Bosnia-Herzegovina and Lithuania is nothing special, beating Belgium was a decent result, and you didn't manage to beat an underperforming Spain.

Now you're in a group with Argentina, Holland and the Ivory Coast. Those three teams are better than all the teams you managed to beat in qualifications, so what makes you think you're going to beat any of them? You think Crespo, Drogba and Van Nistelrooy are going to be "scared" of your defence because you managed to keep clean sheets against weak teams?

Man, you going too far. 'Four unproven no-name Serbian defenders'? Your knowledge about the game is obviously very small. Probably, you are watching only Premier League all the time. You don't pay attention to other leagues or national teams. So one-sided. That's why you don't know nothing of our team. We'll see what your 'world class-scare everybody' defenders will do. We'll also see how many mistakes they will make.
For many teams it's a honor to play on the World Cup. But, for some of Englishmen that is God given right to their national team. Now, that's cocky! Such arrogance.
During the qualification games Spain was favorized in media but also have huge help from referees. That didn't help them either. They are lucky to finshed second in front of Bosnia.
I never said that opponent's strikers will be scared of our defenders but I say that they will have troubles and troubles to score because our defence is experienced and skilled. Neither I said that Serbia will win World Cup. I'm humble. I said that our team will fight brave and make whole nation proud. It's different than in England. Many of you think that your team is capable to win the Trophy. What a myth!
It won't be easy for Argentina, Holland and Ivory Coast. We'll se what our coach will cook for them. If England found itself in such a group panic will begin on the island.
Don't understimate what you don't know. You may find yourself in a trouble.

 

[Jibster]

It's different than in England. Many of you think that your team is capable to win the Trophy. What a myth!

After Braqzil we are the best equipped to win as we have so many World class players in the first XI.

Rio and Sol were in the World Cup 2002 team and since then John Terry has emerged as first choice.

Ashley Cole is widely regarded as the best left back back in the World as Carlos' successor.

Lampard and Gerrard came 2nd and 3rd respectively in the European player of the year only behind Ronaldinho. Lampard alos came 2nd in World Player of the Year. Everyone knows Beckham is world class.

Owen was 2001 Euro Player of the year and always scores goals.

Rooney is one of the most exciting and difficult to play against players in the World.

By my reckoning that gives us 3 positions that could be argued aren't world class. Right back, where we have Gary Neville who is always solid if not spectacular. Left wing where we have Joe Cole who is the most improved English player in the last year and in goal we have Paul Robinson who will cement his World class status in the World Cup.

Myth? Serbia and Montenegro being feared, that's the myth.

 

[Illuminattile]

Man, you going too far. 'Four unproven no-name Serbian defenders'? Your knowledge about the game is obviously very small. Probably, you are watching only Premier League all the time. You don't pay attention to other leagues or national teams. So one-sided. That's why you don't know nothing of our team. We'll see what your 'world class-scare everybody' defenders will do. We'll also see how many mistakes they will make.

How can you argue that four defenders who are about to embark on their first ever World Cup are unproven? They've yet to forge a reputation on a European or International level, it's as simple as that. They did a good job in the qualifiers, but that doesn't prove they can compete against top-quality opposition.

For many teams it's a honor to play on the World Cup. But, for some of Englishmen that is God given right to their national team. Now, that's cocky! Such arrogance.

It's not a "God given right", but it's expected. England is the home of football and has arguably the best league in the world. It's not arrogant to assume we can produce a team capable of qualifying for the World Cup.

I never said that opponent's strikers will be scared of our defenders but I say that they will have troubles and troubles to score because our defence is experienced and skilled. Neither I said that Serbia will win World Cup. I'm humble. I said that our team will fight brave and make whole nation proud. It's different than in England. Many of you think that your team is capable to win the Trophy. What a myth!

Why don't you think England is capable of winning the World Cup? If you genuinely deny that the likes of Ashley Cole, John Terry, Rio Ferdinand, Frank Lampard, Stevie Gerrard, David Beckham, Michael Owen and Wayne Rooney are World Class then you're simply blinded by your hatred of the English.

It won't be easy for Argentina, Holland and Ivory Coast. We'll se what our coach will cook for them.

It might not be easy for them, but you're dreaming if you think you'll qualify. I'd like to see it happen; I always like to see the underdogs do well, but you're in a group with two potential tournament winners.

If England found itself in such a group panic will begin on the island.
Don't understimate what you don't know. You may find yourself in a trouble.

It would be a tough game for anyone. That said, remind me what the score was the last time England played Argentina? It was a classic, and we won.

And if you want to talk about Jonathan Woodgate being a racist, why don't we talk about Mihajlovic calling Patrick Vieira a "nigger"?

 

[troublesome2004]

After Braqzil we are the best equipped to win as we have so many World class players in the first XI.

Rio and Sol were in the World Cup 2002 team and since then John Terry has emerged as first choice.

Ashley Cole is widely regarded as the best left back back in the World as Carlos' successor.

Lampard and Gerrard came 2nd and 3rd respectively in the European player of the year only behind Ronaldinho. Lampard alos came 2nd in World Player of the Year. Everyone knows Beckham is world class.

Owen was 2001 Euro Player of the year and always scores goals.

Rooney is one of the most exciting and difficult to play against players in the World.

By my reckoning that gives us 3 positions that could be argued aren't world class. Right back, where we have Gary Neville who is always solid if not spectacular. Left wing where we have Joe Cole who is the most improved English player in the last year and in goal we have Paul Robinson who will cement his World class status in the World Cup.

Myth? Serbia and Montenegro being feared, that's the myth.

There are several teams that have better chances to win the World Cup than England. In that group I'll put Argentina, Brazil, Holland, Italy and maybe even Mexico. You are overestimate your national team. Of course, betting is very popular, so they'll give a good quotes for such presumption, and once again, many desperate people will loose their money becase their team failed to fulfil their dreams.
That nonsense about Asley Cole is the weirdest thing that I heard in a very, very long time. Wake up man. Do you think that Cole can stand vs. Zambrotta for example? Try to think more before next time you decide to glorify some English player.
Beckam is indeed a world class when it comes to penalties. For Lampard and Gerrard I agree that they are really outstanding players. Lampard even more. These two are really the heart and the soul of your team. Everything depends of them and Rooney. But for the Owen, once great player, you made mistake. Obviously you are stucked in a past. He'll need time to find himself and Eriksson will often send him to a bench. Wait and you will see.
And rest of your first XI is solid. I never said that England have bad team. But you'll have problems with a substitutes. Players from the bench can often make crucial difference. If we see England playing extra time or reaching the penalties I'm 90% sure that you'll be on the plane to home. I'm not hating, I'm just realistic. Just rember the past and you'll see what I'm talking about.
I never said that some team should or will scare of Serbia. That's good. That's our chance. Many teams will come with their big names-overpayed players at the tournament. Some will finish fast their appearances. You can hope that England won't be one of them.
Our team is silent but we work hard. Where arogance stops begins reason.
BTW tonight I watched some of the players that we are debating over here and Vidic made very possitive impression on me, although I'm not his fan (in case that somebody thinks that I am). In some parts of a game against Portsmouth his moves were risky but all gone well. I can say almoust the same for the Rio... On the otheir side Woodgate was very lazy and unmotivated. Rooney is still going through some hard times. He didn't score recently. But the star of a day was Brown. He made me laugh several times. Lualua made him look stupid. Wes doesn't know how to move without ball. Nice work for some who will be part of 'unstoppable England' this summer. Peace.

 

[tHuG $TyLe]

Beckam is indeed a world class when it comes to penalties.

Lmao! Is this sarcastic? He's like missed his last 3 penalties for England.

That nonsense about Asley Cole is the weirdest thing that I heard in a very, very long time. Wake up man. Do you think that Cole can stand vs. Zambrotta for example?

Ashley Cole is on his way to Real Madrid, after Euro 2004 he was recognized as one of the best left backs in the world.

But the star of a day was Brown. He made me laugh several times. Lualua made him look stupid. Wes doesn't know how to move without ball. Nice work for some who will be part of 'unstoppable England' this summer. Peace.

Vidic should of stopped a across in which Brown then had to clear from Lua Lua. Brown won't probably be in the England team. As he has Ferdinand, Terry, King are all ahead of him.

But for the Owen, once great player, you made mistake.

Whats wrong with Owen? 7 goals in 10 appearences for Newcastle this season? Is that so terrible. He even scored for Real Madrid even when he was only used as a substitute and recently scored 2wice vs Argentina.