Where is Jesus?

[Glockmatic]

That's an exaggeration. Here is the thread I made on it when it made news.

hmm, must have been another group that said it was like abortion.

 

[W210]

Yea I would say that preventing pregnancy is completely different than killing a living baby. I wonder how they feel on pulling out.
And I just have a few issues with catholicism, for one they worship mary, almost, like she was sinless, and the Bible says there was only one perfect person, and it wasnt mary. Its just weird.

 

[W210]

That's an exaggeration. Here is the thread I made on it when it made news.

http://www.streethop.com/forum/thread162976.html


Sure they follow some of his teachings with alittle bit on their own.

Which is another thing I hate. I hate when religions pick and choose what they want to follow and what they want to believe in.

 

[troublesome2004]

Sure they follow some of his teachings with alittle bit on their own.

Yes, the Roman Catholic church obey The Scripture only partialy.

 

[W210]

Thats how alot of those kooky cults get started too.

 

[W210]

Ever since the creation of "man" to the communities of people who settled in different lands, God has been sending His messengers or prophets to guide them along the “right path” which is "Islam" and be a "Muslim" which means "Submission to the one true and only Creator". However when prophets passed away, people who followed them differed among themselves in the understanding of the Guidance they had received from God through those prophets. Sometimes, the wicked and selfish among them, deliberately distorted the “true religion” out of their mutual ill will or to satisfy their greed.

It was that way new religions took place. Still, God sent prophets again to call people back to the “original pure religion”. Nevertheless, these prophets were often treated with contempt and derision by their people. again, God kept sending His prophets to teach people the “true religion”, as it was constantly being replaced by the innovations of mankind.

Later, when human culture and civilization came of age, and the new ways of printing and communication was at its best, God sent His last prophet, Muhammad (p) to fulfill what the earlier prophets (Moses, Noah Jesus and so on) had been teaching. He was given the Holy Qur'an, the final Book of revelation, which God promised to safeguard from all change or corruption. .

In fact the Religion taught by all the prophets was Islam(submission to God) the faith all previous prophets/religions originally taught, though later their followers attributed their religions to the names of the prophets or so-called founders of those religions. Some even made such attributions to the names of the land where those prophets lived. Thus it was that Buddhism, Hinduism, Confucianism, Judaism and Christianity were born.

That provides an explanation to the other thread where you mentioned the Buddha teachings being similar to that of Jesus'. You should not be surprised if you came across 2 religions being very similar because at one point All religions taught the same belief (submission to God AKA Islam) and had the same God though later changed by mankind

Islam the First and last religion Of God (submission to him) is unique in that it is NOT named after any person, Tribe, Region or Culture. It is not Mohammedinity like Christianity Its not Meccanism like Judaism, Islam is what the original Followers of Moses and the Original followers of Jesus once were, Muslims, Belivers who submit to the one and true God. Islam is named after a belief in one God(Allah), and submission to His will. The religion all prophets of God once taught.

No religion Exploded like Islam in that short amount of time, Truth stands out from error, Ever since Islam was finally revealed it has remained the fastest growing religion and will remain the fastest growing religion in the world. People embrace Islam by the millions each year from all walks of life especially in the Westen World. This can't be argued, this is fact here. The same can't be said about any other religion. For that reason I believe people are being guided to the unchanged truth all religions once taught.

Although the two religions share some terminology and even some theology (monotheism, for instance), Islam is fundamentally different from Christianity. Islam is a works-oriented religion, while Christian faith is based on salvation by grace through faith as a result of the shed blood of Christ. In Islam, if God wants to forgive sin, He simply says, "It is forgiven." Christianity recognizes the necessity of the shedding of blood for the forgiveness of sin. (Hebrews 9:22)

 

[yak pac fatal]

heaven

 

[W210]

:thumb:

 

[TecK NeeX]

Sorry bout the late reply, Busy man during the weekdays :0

China created paper 500 years before islam came about and had mastered its technique, why wasn't the true and final religion created there?

It wasn't just about the paper, It had alot to do with the location of Mecca, Ka'aba and Jerusalem as well. Plus at the time Of the Prophet the extent of Arab learning and culture was so great that people from every part of the world were shocked to learn about the andvancements and developments of that region, even the chinese, The Mongols were amazed when they went into the Middle East

Why would god send 3 prophets who taught TOTALLY different teachings than judaism christianity and islam? Hinduism teaches polytheism and reincarnation, buddhism had no real answer to if there is god, and confucianism does not mention god

I can't believe you're asking me this question after i have made it very clear in my earlier post why there are many different religions in the world today. Read my post again and you'll find your answer in every paragraph of it

another explanation is the ideas of buddhism travelled to the middle east and they used it. A more reasonable and possible explanation

Yes ok, you got me, Buddhism travelled to the Middle East and created a religion which was more successful in a 100 years than buddhism was in a 1000 years. Islam is nothing like Buddhism by the way, I dont know what ideas you're talking about

Thats wrong, Buddhism isn't named after a person, tribe region or culture. Confucianism is a western name, the chinese name does not have confucians name, a tribe, region or culture in it.

Buddhism was named after Gautama Buddha. A Title given to Siddhartha, "a person", Buddha was an oral teacher, he left no writtings of thought. His beliefs were codified by later followers and called it "Buddhism". No where does Buddha command his followers to start a religion after his death and call it "Buddhism" Therefore Buddhism was named after a person. Pretty much the same with confucianism

Islam spread quickly because of the land conquered by islamic conquests after muhammed death, that is a fact. But there no denying that it is the fastest growing religion in the world

I hope you'e not implying that Islam was spread by the sword and forced conversions with that, if thats the case you've obviously been misinformed. Indonesia, Malaysia, Bangladesh are 3 of many of the most populated Islamic nations that Arabs or any kind of sword ever reached. What about the Mongols who invaded the whole Middle East and ruled that region for quite sometime? Muslims hardly had any armies to push back the much stronger Mongols, They were not ruled, they were not forced to convert, infact the Mongols dropped the sword and converted to Isalm after they come across this beautiful religion, they adopted it willingly.

What i don't understand is how it is considered the one true religion when god made so many mistakes with the past prophets, how are we so sure that islam is the right one? Didn't he think that the previous ones were the true religions?

I dont see how God made mistakes with the previous prophets? he gave them the message and after their death people corrupted it and replaced it with the innovations of mankind. He gave these people the chance to choose right and not their greedy needs. I dont think you understood that post of mine fully, Read it again, Of course God knew the previous ones were true, he sent them after all, only people changed the true message and people began following false Gods.

Thats why in Islam God promised he will safegaurd the Qur'an from corruption and chose Mohammed (p) as the last prophet of God to reveal the original and true word Abraham, Noah, David, Moses, Jesus and all prophets once preached to mankind, only this time the Qur'an will remain unchanged and free of corruption until the end of days.

Although the two religions share some terminology and even some theology (monotheism, for instance), Islam is fundamentally different from Christianity. Islam is a works-oriented religion, while Christian faith is based on salvation by grace through faith as a result of the shed blood of Christ. In Islam, if God wants to forgive sin, He simply says, "It is forgiven." Christianity recognizes the necessity of the shedding of blood for the forgiveness of sin. (Hebrews 9:22)

No offense when I say this, but this is a perfect example of why we believe the original message of the previous prophets(Jesus) have been corrupted with "innovations of mankind'. Jesus was not the "son of god" he did not die for my sins. I dont need a another man to die for my sins, Thats incredibly unjust. I dont need a man to die such a horrific death inorder for my sins to be forgiven. jesus was a wonderful, humble, generous messenger of God who came down and revealed God's words to his people, like the Goal of every other prophet, from Adam to Mohammed, Jesus was no different,

I dont understand why God the "father" would punish his "Son" for our sins when the Bible says:

Deuteronomy 24:16

Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin.

So he's basically telling us that he will not punish our sons for our sins and vice versa when he did just that to his son for our sins?

 

[W210]

No offense when I say this, but this is a perfect example of why we believe the original message of the previous prophets(Jesus) have been corrupted with "innovations of mankind'. Jesus was not the "son of god" he did not die for my sins. I dont need a another man to die for my sins, Thats incredibly unjust. I dont need a man to die such a horrific death inorder for my sins to be forgiven. jesus was a wonderful, humble, generous messenger of God who came down and revealed God's words to his people, like the Goal of every other prophet, from Adam to Mohammed, Jesus was no different,

I dont understand why God the "father" would punish his "Son" for our sins when the Bible says:

Deuteronomy 24:16

Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin.

So he's basically telling us that he will not punish our sons for our sins and vice versa when he did just that to his son for our sins?

God sacrificed his own son for us, because he loves us. And there is no other way to get to heaven but through him.
And I dont like how you quote scripture, to prove your point on why you dont believe the scripture. You cant just pick and choose what passages or portions of the bible you will believe. And I would say that, that falls into breaking the second commandment which is "Thou shalt not make for yourself any graven image", in other words dont created a god to suit yourself. God is the way he is and he isnt going to change, so we had better.

 

[Glockmatic]

Pretty much the same with confucianism

confucianism is the name given by western scholars, its debateable if its a religion or not.

I hope you'e not implying that Islam was spread by the sword and forced conversions with that, if thats the case you've obviously been misinformed. Indonesia, Malaysia, Bangladesh are 3 of many of the most populated Islamic nations that Arabs or any kind of sword ever reached. What about the Mongols who invaded the whole Middle East and ruled that region for quite sometime? Muslims hardly had any armies to push back the much stronger Mongols, They were not ruled, they were not forced to convert, infact the Mongols dropped the sword and converted to Isalm after they come across this beautiful religion, they adopted it willingly.

They gained more land from conquest than conversions. Muslims had quite an army that could be summoned with the call of the caliph. Many mongols converted to religions they came across, mainly buddhism and islam. Mongols did not "rule" over nations, they let them self govern and only pay tribute, this happened to all the countries except for china. The conquest didn't stop because of the mongolian conversions, it stopped because the Khan died and it was mandatory for all mongol leaders to return home to pick the new Khan. Many more adopted tibetan buddhism and brought it back to their home land than islam (95+% of mongolia are buddhists).

About the wrong religions and different prophet deal, I thought you had the same idea as other muslims who think that people like the Siddha and confucious were also prophets sent by god. If that was true, my questions would still stand

 

[TecK NeeX]

God sacrificed his own son for us, because he loves us. And there is no other way to get to heaven but through him.
And I dont like how you quote scripture, to prove your point on why you dont believe the scripture. You cant just pick and choose what passages or portions of the bible you will believe. And I would say that, that falls into breaking the second commandment which is "Thou shalt not make for yourself any graven image", in other words dont created a god to suit yourself. God is the way he is and he isnt going to change, so we had better.

As much as I'd like to get into an argument with you about christianity, I will avoid that because I dont have very much time on these boards. I'll let you go on believing that God had to shed blood his "son" of all to show us how much he loves us. That is the very opposite of what The one true God is and what he would do. This belief is the innovation of St. Paul and not Jesus'. Period!

Funny you brought that verse up though, I will say this, you are right

"Thou shalt not make for yourself any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above",

Christians should start following that commandment and Destroy all statues, paintings, pictures, movies and cloths of Jesus, Mary and many others who are in Heaven!. :thumb:

 

[W210]

As much as I'd like to get into an argument with you about christianity, I will avoid that because I dont have very much time on these boards. I'll let you go on believing that God had to shed blood his "son" of all to show us how much he loves us. That is the very opposite of what The one true God is and what he would do. This belief is the innovation of St. Paul and not Jesus'. Period!

And Ill let you go on believing that you can earn your way into perfect place by being a less than perfect person. And I get my information from the Bible the one true word of God.

Funny you brought that verse up though, I will say this, you are right

"Thou shalt not make for yourself any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above",

Christians should start following that commandment and Destroy all statues, paintings, pictures, movies and cloths of Jesus, Mary and many others who are in Heaven!. :thumb:

And depictions of God and those associated with him are not gods in themselves, not for me anyway. :thumb:

 

[TecK NeeX]

And Ill let you go on believing that you can earn your way into perfect place by being a less than perfect person..

What? Im not sure I understand what you mean by that. Are you telling me that inorder for a person to enter heaven that person has to be perfect? Of course I believe an imperfect person can enter a perfect place. No one is perfect but God, and if we have to be perfect to enter heaven we'd all have to be Gods now dont we?

And depictions of God and those associated with him are not gods in themselves, not for me anyway. :thumb:

The passage says "The likeness of anyone in heaven" meaning Jesus(P) Mary and every one christians believe is in heaven. Making graven images of them is a sin and we see these images in most churches and all over the christian world

 

[TecK NeeX]

Many more adopted tibetan buddhism and brought it back to their home land than islam (95+% of mongolia are buddhists).

Nice try but the present Mongols who conquered the Middle East than converted to Islam now reside in Tagikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Indonesia and Malaysia, there we find hundreds of millions of Muslims who were once Mongols than embraced Islam, Present mongolia carries a population of only 2 million people and certainly not the ones who conquered Asia.

 

[W210]

What? Im not sure I understand what you mean by that. Are you telling me that inorder for a person to enter heaven that person has to be perfect? Of course I believe an imperfect person can enter a perfect place. No one is perfect but God, and if we have to be perfect to enter heaven we'd all have to be Gods now dont we?

If you want to get into heaven without being saved like it says in the bible, then you have to be perfect, which is of course impossible. Which is why we need to get over ourselves, realize we are sinners and ask God to forgive our sins and turn our lives over for him. There is nothing we can do to get into heaven without Jesus.

The passage says "The likeness of anyone in heaven" meaning Jesus(P) Mary and every one christians believe is in heaven. Making graven images of them is a sin and we see these images in most churches and all over the christian world

Yes a graven image is a god to suit yourself. Having a painting of Jesus preaching his sermon on the mount, or somthing like that is not a graven image, unless you are replacing God with that object.

Another example of breaking this commandment, would be to say, "well my god is a god of love and he wouldnt send anyone to hell". That would be creating a god in your mind, that allows you to continue living a sinful life and not feel as guilty about it or whatever.
The Bible tells us everything we need to know about God, if we add or take away from God, because we have our own idea of what He is like, that is wrong.

 

[Glockmatic]

Nice try but the present Mongols who conquered the Middle East than converted to Islam now reside in Tagikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Indonesia and Malaysia, there we find hundreds of millions of Muslims who were once Mongols than embraced Islam, Present mongolia carries a population of only 2 million people and certainly not the ones who conquered Asia.

The people of present day mongolia were not the ones who conquered asia and the middle east? Karakorum was the capital of the mongol empire and home to the many of genghis khans descendents, they were the ones who conquered asia.

Indonesia and Malaysia were not conquered by the mongols, the mongols had few island-invasions off china and most failed horrible (japan for example). It was the empires policies to be open to all religions, infact the pope wanted an alliance with the Khan to destroy islam but the khan refused because he didn't care. The mongols could have marched into europe and there would have been christian converts, but the conquests stopped in the middle east so many converted to islam. Hundreds of millions of mongols is a bit much though, i don't think they could reproduce that fast

 

[TecK NeeX]

The people of present day mongolia were not the ones who conquered asia and the middle east? Karakorum was the capital of the mongol empire and home to the many of genghis khans descendents, they were the ones who conquered asia.

Indonesia and Malaysia were not conquered by the mongols, the mongols had few island-invasions off china and most failed horrible (japan for example). It was the empires policies to be open to all religions, infact the pope wanted an alliance with the Khan to destroy islam but the khan refused because he didn't care. The mongols could have marched into europe and there would have been christian converts, but the conquests stopped in the middle east so many converted to islam. Hundreds of millions of mongols is a bit much though, i don't think they could reproduce that fast

I know all that. Yes karakoram was the capital city of the Mongolian Empire, Yes the Mongolian army came from Mongolia, My point was that most if not the entire army that invaded the Middle East and then converted to Islam stayed in that part of the region and did not return to mongolia hence why mongolia today has absolutely no Muslims in it and why there is so little people in that country. Many of the people of those countries I mentioned in my previous post have Mongolian ancestors. This was in reply to your post when you said this:

"Many more adopted tibetan buddhism and brought it back to their home land than islam (95+% of mongolia are buddhists)."

 

[Glockmatic]

But you gotta admit hundreds of millions is alittle overboard in numbers unless each had dozens of children each, and even then the number would be in question

 

[TecK NeeX]

But you gotta admit hundreds of millions is alittle overboard in numbers unless each had dozens of children each, and even then the number would be in question

Maybe i did yeah