CalcuoCuchicheo said:
Native Americans were born before 1776 - they were true Americans. The 'Americans' that you speak of are either reasonably recent descendants of foreigners, or their ancestors date back to when the genocide occured (I'm pretty sure this will make up a notable portion of the populaton). Which are you?
You said, & quote, 'I love America, and I love the people in it. does this mean I am blindly devoted to it?'
My answer is yes, & I ask of Timothy McVeigh as, if you are true to your 'patriot's' beliefs, then you should love him too. But you don't so your view of a 'patriot' is either twisted or you're not a 'patriot'.
Yeah, I already said it was a wake up call but like I said, it is one that's going unheeded as America continues to fuck around in the Middle East. Following 9/11 America's idea of unity may be stronger, but due to the policies that followed, America is now poorer in finance & rights & more hated than ever - if this equals stronger then you are correct.
I would like you to specify where I 'generalized'? That said, there is nothing wrong with 'generalization' as long as it has some basis.
What the fuck? You do realize that America is a country don't you? So when I speak on America's past or present I am not saying you did that.
That said, America would like to be known as a democracy so it's actions are should reflect it's people's wishes. By mentioning some of America's actions, both past & present, I was infoming you why I have no love for America - a by-product of which is that I have little love for Americans who contribute to America's actions ie. those who support Bush etc.
Might I remind you I was only asked by you to defend how I can 'say this stuff' with a clear conscience because you got one of my comments twisted where you thought I was saying I was going to laugh when you died but what I had actually said was that I would pity you for your uselessness ie. helplessness & blindness etc.
As for you reiterating that you're a patriot, like I've already stated, either your idea of what constitutes a 'patriot' is wrong, or you are not a 'patriot' (by way of your own idea of a 'patriot')
Btw, my Osama comment showed your hypocrisy, my Arab comment showed your ignorance - congratulations you are an American!
Do you deserve to die? I don't know you so I can't say when, where & how you deserve to die but answer a few questions for me & I may be able to give you an answer.
Please give reasons why;
1. Did you vote for Bush?
2. Do you support the war in Iraq?
3. As a follow-on of question 2, was America right to disregard the UN's wishes?
4. Do you recognize America's hypocrisy of the past & in the present? (eg. Cuba/Soviet Union/Turkey situation, the supression of free speech or the 'unknown' that is Guantanamo Bay)
5. Do you condone America's betrayal of their Iraqi allies in 1991?
You said, & quote, 'I love America, and I love the people in it. does this mean I am blindly devoted to it?'
My answer is yes, & I ask of Timothy McVeigh as, if you are true to your 'patriot's' beliefs, then you should love him too. But you don't so your view of a 'patriot' is either twisted or you're not a 'patriot'.
Yeah, I already said it was a wake up call but like I said, it is one that's going unheeded as America continues to fuck around in the Middle East. Following 9/11 America's idea of unity may be stronger, but due to the policies that followed, America is now poorer in finance & rights & more hated than ever - if this equals stronger then you are correct.
I would like you to specify where I 'generalized'? That said, there is nothing wrong with 'generalization' as long as it has some basis.
What the fuck? You do realize that America is a country don't you? So when I speak on America's past or present I am not saying you did that.
That said, America would like to be known as a democracy so it's actions are should reflect it's people's wishes. By mentioning some of America's actions, both past & present, I was infoming you why I have no love for America - a by-product of which is that I have little love for Americans who contribute to America's actions ie. those who support Bush etc.
Might I remind you I was only asked by you to defend how I can 'say this stuff' with a clear conscience because you got one of my comments twisted where you thought I was saying I was going to laugh when you died but what I had actually said was that I would pity you for your uselessness ie. helplessness & blindness etc.
As for you reiterating that you're a patriot, like I've already stated, either your idea of what constitutes a 'patriot' is wrong, or you are not a 'patriot' (by way of your own idea of a 'patriot')
Btw, my Osama comment showed your hypocrisy, my Arab comment showed your ignorance - congratulations you are an American!
Do you deserve to die? I don't know you so I can't say when, where & how you deserve to die but answer a few questions for me & I may be able to give you an answer.
Please give reasons why;
1. Did you vote for Bush?
2. Do you support the war in Iraq?
3. As a follow-on of question 2, was America right to disregard the UN's wishes?
4. Do you recognize America's hypocrisy of the past & in the present? (eg. Cuba/Soviet Union/Turkey situation, the supression of free speech or the 'unknown' that is Guantanamo Bay)
5. Do you condone America's betrayal of their Iraqi allies in 1991?
if generalizations are ok as long as they have a basis, is it ok for me to say "palestine is a county full of suicide bombers"? i dont think it is....
tha wild already explained my previous qoute. just because i love american people, doesnt mean that i have to love each individual person...
now, for your questions....
1) i did not vote, i am not old enough.
2) i wouldnt necessarily say i support the war in iraq. however, i do support our troops. i wish our president would given iraq more time to allow inspectors in. however, i do believe that president bush believes he was acting for the good of our nation. i also believe that we cannot leave iraq yet since the current state it is in. AND im not sure what the statistics are of iraqis supporting our forces over the past forces of saddam hussein, but i am happy for the people of iraq that he is no longer in power.
3) i already stated my answer in question 2, but i will say it again. i wish we would have given iraq more time and not have disregarded the un wishes. however, why did saddam hussein keep saying no if there was nothing to hide? we should not have went in, but him not allowing un inspectors in, was a stupid thing to do, if there was nothing to hide....
4) yes i recognize the hipocracy of the past. can you show me how it is still happening? hipocracy is obviously something that you should not do, however i think that you should put the health of the nation before being worried about contradicting prior actions...
5) question 4 already answered this. i dont believe it was a good thing, but the nation is more important than worrying about contradictions (btw, can u list specific examples of america betraying allies in 1991?)