The Iranian Suicide Bombers vs. The American Crusaders

[L.O.G.O.S.]

to cut a long story short....

2-3 years ago alot of young iranians in iran would have welcomes a US backed move to remove the government....now that is not the case....

after seeing the outcome of the liberations in Afghanistan and Iraq they would most likely fight to the death to make sure teh US are pushed out....

even a few years ago i can promise you the US would have hit strong resistance among the youth, particularly following the US backing of Saddam during the Iran vs Iraq war, not to mention the sanctions etc etc etc...

in Afghanstan the government has little power outside of the capital if any and Iraq is a lawless state headed by whoever has the highest following...given a few years Iran will be almost a combined force with Iraq as things stand....I can easily imagine the Iraqi "government" turning to Iran to provide security and some order to what is becoming terrorists paradise...

neither war was a success, as neither war accomplished what it set out to do, even on the most fundamental level...Bin Laden was the key reason for going into afghanistan, he is sitll at large....WMD was the key reason to go into Iraq, none have been found....

in the middle east, the US has little to no credibility...

sure they surf the net and watch the cable TV etc, but thats a far cry to letting them invade the country...

i like croissants, french literature and Paris, but that doesnt mean i was a french invasion out here in the UK does it?

invading Iran would go down as one of the greatest political disasters in history...i may sound like im exaggerating but believe me, ive thought things through alot before writing these words down...

im out for now...

peace

 

[devils_advok8]

^there you go Jokerman, straight out of an Irani's mouth

 

[Jokerman]

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"2-3 years ago alot of young iranians in iran would have welcomes a US backed move to remove the government....now that is not the case...."

I don't necessarily disagree with this, but you, devils advok8, couldn't even believe they would have welcomed it 2-3 years ago.

 

[Jokerman]

Anyway, we don't have the fucking money or support of the American ppl, right and definitely left, for another invasion. Bush knows he would be politically destroyed. At most, we might do some air strikes on Iran and Syria if they don't budge. There's no need to invade; that would be enough, definitely for Syria. That bitch understands military strikes and it scares him shitless.

 

[BC_BIGBUDZ420]

Anyway, we don't have the fucking money or support of the American ppl, right and definitely left, for another invasion. Bush knows he would be politically destroyed. At most, we might do some air strikes on Iran and Syria if they don't budge. There's no need to invade; that would be enough, at least for Syria.

yea just bomb the fuck out of them that should smarten up those terrorists

 

[devils_advok8]

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"2-3 years ago alot of young iranians in iran would have welcomes a US backed move to remove the government....now that is not the case...."

I don't necessarily disagree with this, but you, devils advok8, couldn't even believe they would have welcomed it 2-3 years ago.

yes I would.Unlike you, Jokerman, I dont speak out of my ass, I know alot of Iranis, some of them have even "escaped" Iran recently.I'm up to date with their news, and knowing what kind of people they are, Iraq would be like Switzerland compared to Iran.

 

[Jokerman]

No, just a few air strikes will bring them to the negotiating table fast.

 

[devils_advok8]

No, just a few air strikes will bring them to the negotiating table fast.

I credited you with more intelligence, Jokerman.Al-Khatemi has got no problems sacrificing his nation and own people.Iran will simply retaliate to any inch hit within their boundaries.The difference between them and other Arab dictators is that Iran is a powerful nation.the least it can do if it felt threatened is wipe Israel off the map.You do realize that the slightest thread to Iran would make Hezbollah interefere, dont you?Iran is Hezbollah's main funder.Then you got Syria.You guys speak of war as if would solve the whole thing, no it doesnt, it makes more and more nations hate you, destroys you politically and economically, and in no time you'll have no allies.I'd love to see who's going to support you when you fall.

 

[tupacmansion]

No, just a few air strikes will bring them to the negotiating table fast.

Is that the only way America can handle things, through air strikes. Maybe they shud just mind their own business. If the US carry on the way they are, they're gonna be the next country to be NUKED.

 

[Jokerman]

some of them have even "escaped" Iran recently.

Maybe if we invade they'll go back to defend the government they "escaped" from, huh? Dream on....

 

[Jokerman]

Is that the only way America can handle things, through air strikes. Maybe they shud just mind their own business. If the US carry on the way they are, they're gonna be the next country to be NUKED.

If we mind our own business, eventually the whole Middle East would be nuked. And that is our own business.

 

[devils_advok8]

Maybe if we invade they'll go back to defend the government they "escaped" from, huh? Dream on....

Irrelevent.No?
Iran is a strict country, Jokerman.You don't know how it's like there.I'm sure they'll go back if things had changed.having them come back to fight, though?I dont think so.Who cares anyways?Last time I checked Iran's population was close to 70 mil.
I think you should stick to comedy, Jokerman.Frankly, your "words of wisdom" are disappointing really.

 

[tupacmansion]

If we mind our own business, eventually the whole Middle East would be nuked. And that is our own business.

Thats bullshit, America allows Israel to have Nuclear capabilities yet tries to prevent every other country from having them. This allows Israels nuclear weapons to act as a deterrent, which means no one will ever dream of attacking them. Yet Israel can freely bomb any Middleeastern country such as Syria or Iran. This is totally unfair ans shows Americas double Standards, Iwant Iran/Syria and all these other Arab countries have nuclear weapons, then we'll see how tough Israel and America are.

 

[Jokerman]

Irrelevent.No?
Iran is a strict country, Jokerman.You don't know how it's like there.I'm sure they'll go back if things had changed.having them come back to fight, though?I dont think so.Who cares anyways?Last time I checked Iran's population was close to 70 mil.

Yeah, i do know what it's like there. I've been there. And my point was not about Iranians going back to fight, it was about how if everyone is trying to escape their government, how likely is it they'll fight hard to keep it being removed.

 

[Jokerman]

Thats bullshit, America allows Israel to have Nuclear capabilities yet tries to prevent every other country from having them. This allows Israels nuclear weapons to act as a deterrent, which means no one will ever dream of attacking them. Yet Israel can freely bomb any Middleeastern country such as Syria or Iran. This is totally unfair ans shows Americas double Standards, Iwant Iran/Syria and all these other Arab countries have nuclear weapons, then we'll see how tough Israel and America are.

You mean the US will allow Israel to nuke any of these countries? That's news to me.

The only thing that would cause Israel to use nukes is if these muthas get nukes. Because these countries would use them against Israel first, not as a deterrent for conventional strikes.

 

[tupacmansion]

You mean the US will allow Israel to nuke any of these countries? That's news to me.

The only thing that would cause Israel to use nukes is if these muthas get nukes. Because these countries would use them against Israel first, not as a deterrent for conventional strikes.

no, thats not what I said. Im sayin that Israel is able to bomb and has bombed countries such as Lebanon and Syria, America has also bombed it fair share of middle-easter countires. This is clearly unfair, as no country should be allowed to bully another the way Israel and America do. If some of these countries developed a few nukes, then maybe Israel and America would think twice before bombing them, fearing that these countries would be able to respond.
And reffering to your second point, I think that these Middle-eastern
countries would only use Nukes as self-defence, they would'nt risk their entire countries unless they were attacked first. They're not a set of psycos, George Bush is prolly a bigger nutter than these lot.
The only reason America and Israel want to prevent them from getting these weapons is so that they can continue to bully that part of the world.

 

[feichen]

oh well, a little bullying will make u become a real man.

 

[L.O.G.O.S.]

Iran has a massive bargaining chip in the form of Iraq. Not to mention the fact that at the moment alot of the other countries are looking to it for strength both idealogically and politically (Shia and Sunni differences aside). Like it or not it was Iran who helped quell some of the uprisings in Iraq, particularly through Ayatollah Sistani (though he seems to have alot of friction with the govnerment right now). the bottome line of it is that Iraq is the focal point of international politics right now, and one of the deciding factors influencing its outcome is Iran.

peace