And destroying their buildings will help? In case you didn't know, the French goverment tried to make them integrate by destroying the ghetto. They hoped that if they destroyed the buildings people would move out to other areas of the city. What happened is that they moved to other ghettos. The french goverment have proved themselves to be completely incompetent in this matter. They have no plan, whatsoever on how to integrate this immigrants. Nor do they know what to do. And beeing this totally incapable of doing something will sooner or later result to riots and this is result. By no mistake, do not be fooled by the boys that got killed, this isn't just about them. This is cause they've had ENOUGH!!
Riots in Paris
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And destroying their buildings will help? In case you didn't know, the French goverment tried to make them integrate by destroying the ghetto. They hoped that if they destroyed the buildings people would move out to other areas of the city. What happened is that they moved to other ghettos. The french goverment have proved themselves to be completely incompetent in this matter. They have no plan, whatsoever on how to integrate this immigrants. Nor do they know what to do. And beeing this totally incapable of doing something will sooner or later result to riots and this is result. By no mistake, do not be fooled by the boys that got killed, this isn't just about them. This is cause they've had ENOUGH!!
Duke said:
Exactly.Uh...right, is someone else's fault that those people are rioting, right?
Responsibility for own actions
Responsibility for own actions
The point is that this isn't a revolution. Its a minority in a small area kicking up dust. According to my dictionary, that's doesnt constitute a revolution. There is no massive movement of people clamouring for a change.
And still, I think it's contra productive to their objectives. That, and they're expressing their anger and frustration through violence in their own city, which is quite stupid imho.
I want to conclude with saying that i understand why they are rioting. I might be down there as well were I in that position. The position of immigrants in France isn't exactly enviable.
But it doesn't justify what they're doing, which is burning, fighting and even killing.
And still, I think it's contra productive to their objectives. That, and they're expressing their anger and frustration through violence in their own city, which is quite stupid imho.
I want to conclude with saying that i understand why they are rioting. I might be down there as well were I in that position. The position of immigrants in France isn't exactly enviable.
But it doesn't justify what they're doing, which is burning, fighting and even killing.
i agree 100% with you.
thats how i feel about most people that live in ghettos and poverty. i said most not everyone.
in my experience with people i know and met who i live in ghettos, poverty, on welfare, is that they dont want to work. they want everything given to them. they want things they dont need. buy things they shouldnt. most sit around bitching about how they dont have anything while they are getting high off of the drugs they just purchased. they expect the govt to do everything for them. which is stupid mentality to get into.
now i'm not saying that is how these people are cause i've never been to a french ghetto. but i'm sure the apple doesnt fall too far from the tree.
does france have a welfare system? or anything like it.
thats how i feel about most people that live in ghettos and poverty. i said most not everyone.
in my experience with people i know and met who i live in ghettos, poverty, on welfare, is that they dont want to work. they want everything given to them. they want things they dont need. buy things they shouldnt. most sit around bitching about how they dont have anything while they are getting high off of the drugs they just purchased. they expect the govt to do everything for them. which is stupid mentality to get into.
now i'm not saying that is how these people are cause i've never been to a french ghetto. but i'm sure the apple doesnt fall too far from the tree.
does france have a welfare system? or anything like it.
@Duke: I see we mostly agree....I'm not sure myself if it's justified what they are doin. I don't know....
It might not be an revolution but still a riot can be right - if not, blacks were never supposed to fight against the crimes that were done to them, I tend to think different. Theirfor I see protest by a minority can be justified. If it's just to burn and kill, that's an other question, which I again, can't anwser right here. (200 years ago they killed their king, didn't they?)
And you other two, well, you just make yourself look stupid and ignorant. You seem to have no idea about the history of this country and the whole situation those "imigrants" are in, I guess you never been to France and you two should just close your mouth if you have no idea what you're talkin about.
It might not be an revolution but still a riot can be right - if not, blacks were never supposed to fight against the crimes that were done to them, I tend to think different. Theirfor I see protest by a minority can be justified. If it's just to burn and kill, that's an other question, which I again, can't anwser right here. (200 years ago they killed their king, didn't they?)
And you other two, well, you just make yourself look stupid and ignorant. You seem to have no idea about the history of this country and the whole situation those "imigrants" are in, I guess you never been to France and you two should just close your mouth if you have no idea what you're talkin about.
look ......
ur both right:
them folks should adopt to the laws and rules of the country and put their own believes on the second and private place. yes the OG folks make it hard on u, ... but live with it. yes they are being discriminated against, but this doesnt justify any killing or burning or w/e. u can always go back to ur own country and experience real poverty... and riot against the even more evil leaders there...
ur both right:
them folks should adopt to the laws and rules of the country and put their own believes on the second and private place. yes the OG folks make it hard on u, ... but live with it. yes they are being discriminated against, but this doesnt justify any killing or burning or w/e. u can always go back to ur own country and experience real poverty... and riot against the even more evil leaders there...
I was talking with a friend of mine who lives in Paris, who is a devout Muslim, from Morocco. She is in Paris and just wants to have a normal life but she does face racism on a daily basis. On top of that, the French economy isn't too good right now (has it ever been good?), and when the economy is bad, those at the bottom of things suffer the most. Guess who is on the bottom of things: the newly-arrived. So they have a lot to be frustrated about. One problem they have is that some of their leaders are telling them that the solution to their problems is more Islam, when really what they should be doing is trying to integrate into French society. Also they are having the same problem that American blacks are having, which is that their leaders are telling them that racism is their problem, which means that their difficulties are not their responsibility and are out of their control, and they are victims. That's a bad way to look at life, and doesn't lead to anything.
So their problems are related to being newly-arrived, being poor, French racism, a poor economy, hate-mongering leaders, and criminal involvement. It's a mish-mash of problems unfortunately.
I still believe that those who want to live in a Sharia paradise should move to one that already exists, such as Saudi Arabia.
But this isn't a riot over Islam, not by a long shot.
The obvious answer, is to ask Germany to annex France.
So their problems are related to being newly-arrived, being poor, French racism, a poor economy, hate-mongering leaders, and criminal involvement. It's a mish-mash of problems unfortunately.
I still believe that those who want to live in a Sharia paradise should move to one that already exists, such as Saudi Arabia.
But this isn't a riot over Islam, not by a long shot.
The obvious answer, is to ask Germany to annex France.
Jokerman said:
I was talking with a friend of mine who lives in Paris, who is a devout Muslim, from Morocco. She is in Paris and just wants to have a normal life but she does face racism on a daily basis. On top of that, the French economy isn't too good right now (has it ever been good?), and when the economy is bad, those at the bottom of things suffer the most. Guess who is on the bottom of things: the newly-arrived. So they have a lot to be frustrated about. One problem they have is that some of their leaders are telling them that the solution to their problems is more Islam, when really what they should be doing is trying to integrate into French society. Also they are having the same problem that American blacks are having, which is that their leaders are telling them that racism is their problem, which means that their difficulties are not their responsibility and are out of their control, and they are victims. That's a bad way to look at life, and doesn't lead to anything.
So their problems are related to being newly-arrived, being poor, French racism, a poor economy, hate-mongering leaders, and criminal involvement. It's a mish-mash of problems unfortunately.
I still believe that those who want to live in a Sharia paradise should move to one that already exists, such as Saudi Arabia.
But this isn't a riot over Islam, not by a long shot.
The obvious answer, is to ask Germany to annex France.
So their problems are related to being newly-arrived, being poor, French racism, a poor economy, hate-mongering leaders, and criminal involvement. It's a mish-mash of problems unfortunately.
I still believe that those who want to live in a Sharia paradise should move to one that already exists, such as Saudi Arabia.
But this isn't a riot over Islam, not by a long shot.
The obvious answer, is to ask Germany to annex France.
yaaa...if you look on the other side of this whole riot problem, and my previous post, these ppl really are facing racism. Its a proven fact that French ppl are the most racist ppl in the world. So them hating on Arabs isn't helping. But i still stick to my previous post.
Its all about first impression, people! ie/ex: You dont go out looking for a job with a dew-rag on.
First of all, I'll repeat my question because people should think about this so they might understand a lil better: Why is the situation in their own countries as bad as it is?
Second, I agree with what Jokerman said.
well if they have nothing they'll get a lil bit of something from the state but if you're put in a ghetto, face racism and feel lile u have no future - would u call that "makin a livin"? I'd rather call that surviving. And what does attempting to integrate means? Of course some aren't willing to do so, but imagin if you'd get checked by police everyday when you leave your house. If you feel racism like everyday - do you really think you want to integrate? Actually is it even possible then 2 integrate? You gotta understand that this situation can easly be compared with the blacks in the US - It's simply not like there's someone waiting with open arms for them.
Your intelligence is impressive, would you please provide a source that makes your statement a proven fact?
Second, I agree with what Jokerman said.
well if they have nothing they'll get a lil bit of something from the state but if you're put in a ghetto, face racism and feel lile u have no future - would u call that "makin a livin"? I'd rather call that surviving. And what does attempting to integrate means? Of course some aren't willing to do so, but imagin if you'd get checked by police everyday when you leave your house. If you feel racism like everyday - do you really think you want to integrate? Actually is it even possible then 2 integrate? You gotta understand that this situation can easly be compared with the blacks in the US - It's simply not like there's someone waiting with open arms for them.
Your intelligence is impressive, would you please provide a source that makes your statement a proven fact?
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