Riots in Paris

S O F I

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#21
CoolWaterz said:
Riiiightttttt yea thats it, cause as is the case with Paris their being oh so "civil" about everything and just keeping to themselves.
WAKE UP- looks their decision to keep true to the "beliefs" have allowed them to isolate themselves from anything else and now because of their own actions, their burning Paris down. Catch 22 no?

And why immigrate to western civilization if you hate it, thats my question to them. You dont see me emigrating to Syria so I can keep populating the country eventhough Im not muslim yet living under islamic law which I clearly dont like or agree with...
I don't believe that they are rioting because of their Muslim belief, although I have not been following the situation. As for the last paragraph, they immigrate to western countries because of opportunity and religious freedom. It's funny that you feel like so, when the USA, for example, prides on having a society with religious freedom.
 
#23
S O F I S T I K said:
I don't believe that they are rioting because of their Muslim belief, although I have not been following the situation. As for the last paragraph, they immigrate to western countries because of opportunity and religious freedom. It's funny that you feel like so, when the USA, for example, prides on having a society with religious freedom.
whats the need for religious freedom if the countries they are from only allow the religion they practice?
 
#24
whats the need for religious freedom if the countries they are from only allow the religion they practice?
There are different break offs of the muslim religion. Just how christianity has Catholicism, Luthern, Baptist, Methodist, etc..

That may be one reason, although my knowledge on the subject is limited, that could be a possible answer to your question.
 

PuffnScruff

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#27
anyone hear about the bomb factory they found in france? what the fuck is up with that? did these people really think they were going to go around and blow shit up to get their point across? i think the whole world got it. there could have been a better way to go about getting the worlds and mainly the french govts attention than creating chaos.
 

k69atie

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#31
The French Government has vowed to defeat rioters who injured more than 30 police officers and torched 1,400 cars in an 11th night of violence.

Some officers were shot at during an ambush in the suburbs of Paris as hundreds of people took to the streets across the country.

The latest unrest came amid calls from President Jacques Chirac to restore order as an absolute priority.

He held a special meeting of security officials and ministers, after which he said: "The law must have the last word."

He promised to arrest, judge and punish those guilty of spreading violence and fear.

"The Republic is quite determined, by definition, to be stronger than those who want to sow violence or fear."


Police keep a safe distance Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin said his government would step up security wherever it was needed.

"We cannot accept any no-go areas," he added.

The rioting began in Paris suburbs more than a week ago after two youths were electrocuted in a power sub-station while reportedly fleeing police.

The unrest quickly spread, becoming an outburst of anger and disdain for French authority from youths angry at high unemployment, poor housing and discrimination.

Much of the anger has focused on Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, who inflamed passions by referring to troublemakers as "scum".

The debate during the violence has looked at the social fabric of the country and the position of people in minority communities.
 
#32
i wonder, ... why did they have to run so bad from the police? were they raping, murdering, shooting, doing drugs? probably something bad !!

anyway,
RIOT YAAAAAY !!!!! :: GAY BAAAAAAAAAAAAASHHHHHHHH !! KILL THE FRENCHIES !!!!!!!!!!! finally something interesting in our streetz lol ... time for a "revolution" . let's blow up those cars, folks. :)

cant wait for the rest of europe to be in serious shit :D

oh and what about the africans? they shud come to resistance too (if they're not already) cuz it seems all those fires in the crappy houses in paris were actually lit and were no "accident" .

ive been in all those places where there's riots now and yea they do have it bad, then again.. it has always been such a good athmosphere (if u dont do any dirty business). its a shame for all the good ppl there...

but oh well !
LETS GET READY TO RUMMMMMMMBLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEE !!!
 
#33
people here are so fucking idiots. No-one is rioting for fun and if you can't see why this is a reaction then you need to step of this thread and instead go and buy some books to get some knowledge. That will save others time in ridiciluing you!

Have you actually seen or heard about the ghettos of france? Do you know anything about the situation there? if you don't please refrain yourself from this thread! I can't see how this is the immigrants fault.
 
#34
RFTP said:
people here are so fucking idiots. No-one is rioting for fun and if you can't see why this is a reaction then you need to step of this thread and instead go and buy some books to get some knowledge. That will save others time in ridiciluing you!

Have you actually seen or heard about the ghettos of france? Do you know anything about the situation there? if you don't please refrain yourself from this thread! I can't see how this is the immigrants fault.
Regardless of the motivation, rioting is still counterproductive. The image of a bunch of immigrants burning down their neighbourhood is hardly going to promote tolerance and unity. It's not exactly going to make French people think "We should really work harder to integrate these violent mobs into our society".
 

Duke

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#35
Illuminattile said:
Regardless of the motivation, rioting is still counterproductive. The image of a bunch of immigrants burning down their neighbourhood is hardly going to promote tolerance and unity. It's not exactly going to make French people think "We should really work harder to integrate these violent mobs into our society".
Exactly. No matter how bad you have it, torching your city isn't going to make it better.

I can't see how this is the immigrants fault.
Uh...right, is someone else's fault that those people are rioting, right?

:rolleyes:




Responsibility for own actions
 

The.Menace

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#36
Exactly. No matter how bad you have it, torching your city isn't going to make it better.
I don't agree at all. If you are ignored, held down and threaded like a second class human beeing, you have to do something to make them care about you. OF course they call it a crime - every state would call a revolution a crime and "against the law" but hey - isn't it our right to revolte? France was build on revolution, maybe after 200 years it's just time for a change again? ... The king didn't like the revolution neigther back in the late 17 century, just like they don't like it right now that the youth is revolting. That doesn't matter. Hell yeah, if those riots will help to change the situation within the next 10 years I have no problem with those riots.
 

k69atie

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#37
A curfew will be imposed tonight in a tough Paris suburb at the centre of 11 nights of violence.

Eric Raoult, the conservative mayor of Raincy, declared an "exceptional curfew" as extra police are drafted across France to deal any further violence.

It is the first such measure to be annouced since violence first flared in neighbouring Clichy-sous-Bois.

Meanwhile, a man who was attacked by a hooded youth while talking to a neighbour during the riots has died, becoming the first fatality of the unrest.

Police say Jean-Jacques Le Chenadec, 61, was beaten into a coma north of Paris last week and died of his injuries in hospital.

His widow said: "I want these people punished."

Mr Le Chenadec and his friend had been targeted before the attack by stone-throwing youths when they had tried to stop bins being vandalised.

France has suffered 11 nights of rioting, with the latest wave leaving 30 police officers injured and more than 1,400 cars torched.

A total of 395 people were also arrested, bringing the total since trouble first erupted to more than 1,200.

Police were shot at during an ambush in the suburbs of Paris as hundreds of people took to the streets across the country.


Riot police prepare for more violence Rocks and fire bombs were also thrown at patrols.

Officials are now drafting in extra officers to deal with any further violence.

The latest unrest came amid calls from President Jacques Chirac to restore order as an absolute priority.

He held a special meeting of security officials and ministers, after which he said: "The law must have the last word."

He promised to arrest, judge and punish those guilty of spreading violence and fear.

"The Republic is quite determined, by definition, to be stronger than those who want to sow violence or fear."

Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin said his government would step up security wherever it was needed.

"We cannot accept any no-go areas," he added.

The rioting began in Paris suburbs more than a week ago after two youths were electrocuted in a power sub-station while reportedly fleeing police.

The unrest quickly spread, becoming an outburst of anger and disdain for French authority from youths angry at high unemployment, poor housing and discrimination.

Much of the anger has focused on Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, who inflamed passions by referring to troublemakers as "scum".

The debate during the violence has looked at the social fabric of the country and the position of people in minority communities.
 

Duke

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#38
The.Menace said:
I don't agree at all. If you are ignored, held down and threaded like a second class human beeing, you have to do something to make them care about you. OF course they call it a crime - every state would call a revolution a crime and "against the law" but hey - isn't it our right to revolte? France was build on revolution, maybe after 200 years it's just time for a change again? ... The king didn't like the revolution neigther back in the late 17 century, just like they don't like it right now that the youth is revolting. That doesn't matter. Hell yeah, if those riots will help to change the situation within the next 10 years I have no problem with those riots.

Is it not a crime then? I mean, if you feel opressed, ignored whatever, rioting simply isn't going to make things better. It just won't. The one thing you'll achieve is a decrease in sympathy for you and your cause.

I do agree in that it's probably the most effective way of getting noticed. But far from the most productive one.
 

The.Menace

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#39
Crime always depens on the point of view. The state will always see a revolution as a crime, every revolution has been a crime and yet they helped us to move on.

Last night someone got killed and of course he didn't deserve it, plus I don't think it's the right think to do to kill a 60 year old man....but, it just had to happen, all this just had to come. IT has nothing to do with those teenagers that died, if you know the whole situation you're not surprised at all - just like minorities will revolte in the US again one day. And yes you might be right that there are better ways to better the situation, but those are theoretical ways. How big are the chances for a young coloured boy that grew up in the ghetto to make a difference? Slim, but they know what they CAN do - and that is makin some noise.

Again, I feel sorry for anyone that got hurt or that lost money over those riots...but it has been tehre all the time it just has been ignored. It's like if you have pain in you rstomach and you ignore it and it turns out years later that it's cancer - you'll have to pay for that. And this is exactly what's happenin right there.
 

Flipmo

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#40
Sometimes the most inhumain nature is the only way to be heard. I'm sorry for all those who we're innocent and got hurt, but there's a time where some people just can't take it anymore. Violence should not be the way, but sometimes it's the only way to be heard. Anyways, that's my point of view.
 

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