Riots in Paris

[tupac1403]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20051102/paris_riots_051102/20051102?hub=TopStories

U can also see two videos.

 

[PuffnScruff]

why are they rioting?

 

[Illuminattile]

The deaths that set Clichy ablaze
When Ziad, 17, and Banou, 15, climbed into an electrical sub-station in the Paris suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois last Thursday, they apparently knew they were taking a risk.

The sole survivor of the incident, who climbed into the station with the two teenagers and was badly injured in the incident, was quoted by police as saying they had all been aware of the danger, which was clearly signposted at the station.

According to this survivor's testimony, the three panicked after finding themselves near the scene of an apparent break-in as police officers arrived to investigate.

It was rumoured that the boys had actually been chased by police, a belief which quickly spread and sparked rioting in Clichy-sous-Bois, a poor suburb largely populated by North African immigrants and their French-born descendants where there was already friction between residents and police.

A peaceful protest march last Saturday - during which one hooded youth told French TV that the youths' deaths had been "not normal" while other protesters, including relatives of the dead, wore T-shirts marked "dead for nothing" - did little to dispel the rumours.

'Because the others ran'

According to French police reports, there was no chase and the three youths entered the electrical sub-station as a result of a tragic misunderstanding.

"They ran because other young people were running - they thought they were being chased but they were not," Francois Molins, public prosecutor for the Seine-Saint-Denis district, told reporters, quoting from the survivor's testimony.

Police officers had gone out to investigate reports of the break-in at a building site and a group of youths inside the site ran off when they caught sight of them arriving at 1720 that day, according to police sources quoted by Le Monde newspaper.

The youths joined a second group standing outside the site and a chase began when the police tried to approach them to question them, the sources say.

Police had detained six people by 1730, releasing several of them shortly afterwards, and were back at their station by 1750, they add.

The current at the sub-station is by Le Monde's sources to have been broken at 1812 - 22 minutes after the police operation ended.

The survivor has been quoted by police as saying he saw no police officers when they were fleeing.

An official investigation into the deaths is under way.

From the BBC.
More info.

 

[k69atie]

^ thanks for the info

 

[Duke]

Well, excuse me, but if you're stupid enough to go and hide in a goddamn electrical substation, don't whine when you get fucking electrocuted. Damn, how stupid can people get? And rioting about this too?

Bah, idiots.

 

[tupac1403]

Well, excuse me, but if you're stupid enough to go and hide in a goddamn electrical substation, don't whine when you get fucking electrocuted. Damn, how stupid can people get? And rioting about this too?

Bah, idiots.

To me it seems more like they were scared than dumb to hide in that electrical substation. Also they could have been rescued if the police men who found them took them to an hospital or called the ambulance. Well they didn't - so it seemed like they didn't give a fuck whether they died or not.
Imo you can't really blame the revolters.

 

[Duke]

To me it seems more like they were scared than dumb to hide in that electrical substation. Also they could have been rescued if the police men who found them took them to an hospital or called the ambulance. Well they didn't - so it seemed like they didn't give a fuck whether they died or not.
Imo you can't really blame the revolters.

I'm not blaming the rioters for anything other than being stupid fuckers that'll grab any opportunity to tear their own city to shreds.

And scared or dumb? Both, probably. Who the fuck hides in a little building with huge "DANGER DANGER" signs? That's like diving in a wood shredder.

And i doubt those kids could've been saved. If they were electrocuted it was probably a good deal of current and they were most likely dead instantaneously.


I'm sorry but i can't seem to find sympathy anywhere in my head for this. It's sad those kids died, but then again, they were being dumb and responsible for their own deaths.

And to top things off, people decided to exploit the opportunity to go rioting.

pfff

 

[PuffnScruff]

i'm going agree with duke on this. he is pretty on point. these riots seem to be pretty stupid. i feel sorry for those people

 

[Illuminattile]

The kids were poor, black, Muslim immigrants. People aren't really rioting because they died, they're rioting because they're generally pissed off with the situation they find themselves in.

The issue here is integration.

 

[DrugBa11ad]

The kids were poor, black, Muslim immigrants. People aren't really rioting because they died, they're rioting because they're generally pissed off with the situation they find themselves in.

The issue here is integration.

I think that had a lot to do with the Toledo riots here in America recently also, and people never took that into account.

People are so quick to be like "Fuck those stupid rioters."

 

[ARon]

It is usually more than just one incident also, this builds up and frankly they dont give a fuck so the tiniest spark will ignite something like a riot.

 

[tupac1403]

The riots began in the north-east of Paris, but, in a couple of days spread to suburbs around the whole of the French capital. Within a week, more than 140 rioters had been arrested.
“People in this area don’t have any work, the young people don’t have anything to do,” he says, as the mosque fills up with men for evening prayer. It only needed something to spark it off.” A youth-worker, who has also come to pray, adds his opinion. “It’s a timebomb here! They’ve created ghettos, shoving all the immigrants together and then just letting things run their course over the years. Now the bomb has exploded.”

And it will get worse soon as somebody's getting killed.

 

[Duke]

I think that had a lot to do with the Toledo riots here in America recently also, and people never took that into account.

People are so quick to be like "Fuck those stupid rioters."

So, because they find themself in a poor situation and decide to take to the streets and rip the place up, we should have sympathy for them?

Hell nah. Now, i can perfectly understand the situation. I really do, and i know full well the situation in France and Paris regarding immigrants.

But if you want to make a change towards the positive, that's not going to happen by rioting and generally making a big pooha, torching cars and fighting police.

 

[tupac1403]

"It ain't right but it's long overdue..." (Y'all know the words)

 

[PuffnScruff]

"It ain't right but it's long overdue..." (Y'all know the words)

It's just a matter of time and we'll see exactly the same happening in the USA, and Bush couldn't stop the hit :thumb:

learn about our govt and how it works before you make stupid comments:thumb:

 

[tupac1403]

learn about our govt and how it works before you make stupid comments:thumb:

Yeah, I should have thought about that, you're right. I edited my post. Sorry

 

[CoolWaterz]

The kids were poor, black, Muslim immigrants. People aren't really rioting because they died, they're rioting because they're generally pissed off with the situation they find themselves in.

The issue here is integration.

Ha, the issue here is that Muslims refuse to integrate into western society. Easy to just look at the muslims on this board who post in this section.
They despise western society and our value system so they minoritize themselves from any society but keep populating it.

 

[CoolWaterz]

"It ain't right but it's long overdue..." (Y'all know the words)

SHUTUP !!!!! YOu people refuse to integrate into a society which you deem corrupt and sinful.
Thats the real core issue here....

 

[S O F I]

Ha, the issue here is that Muslims refuse to integrate into western society. Easy to just look at the muslims on this board who post in this section.
They despise western society and our value system so they minoritize themselves from any society but keep populating it.

Wow! As if the western society is something that you must integrate to, as if it's a superior way of living. If anything, it's you whom despises the Muslims that keep true to their beliefs and refuse to live differently because of the big Western influence.

 

[CoolWaterz]

Wow! As if the western society is something that you must integrate to, as if it's a superior way of living. If anything, it's you whom despises the Muslims that keep true to their beliefs and refuse to live differently because of the big Western influence.

Riiiightttttt yea thats it, cause as is the case with Paris their being oh so "civil" about everything and just keeping to themselves.
WAKE UP- looks their decision to keep true to the "beliefs" have allowed them to isolate themselves from anything else and now because of their own actions, their burning Paris down. Catch 22 no?

And why immigrate to western civilization if you hate it, thats my question to them. You dont see me emigrating to Syria so I can keep populating the country eventhough Im not muslim yet living under islamic law which I clearly dont like or agree with...