Religion V's Science

Glockmatic said:
Well look, its a mummified corpse. How many mummified pharoahs are there in egypt? There will always be believers on both sides, and until there is solid 100% proof that Allah kept his body mummified then i'll believe.
It's not just a mumified corpse. Dr. Bucaille concluded with other specicalists that this mumified corpse was the same Pharoah in Moses' time.

He wrote:
"and the results of the medical investigations came to support the previous assumption, as in the year 1975 a lameness extraction from a small muscular tissue occurred in Cairo, with the valuable help that professor Michfl Durigon offered. And the accurate microscopical examination showed the perfect preserved status for the smallest dissectional muscular parts, and it points that such a perfect preservation couldn't be possible if the body remained in water for a while, even if it stayed outside the water for a long time before it submit for the preparatory operations of the mummification. And we have done more than this while we were interested in searching for the possible reasons of the pharaoh's death."
 
Offcourse it's a mumified corpse. But this mummified corpse is without no doubt the pharoah of Moses' time. And preservance of body is even amazing and to a certain extent -- miraculous.

And the accurate microscopical examination showed the perfect preserved status for the smallest dissectional muscular parts, and it points that such a perfect preservation couldn't be possible if the body remained in water for a while, even if it stayed outside the water for a long time before it submit for the preparatory operations of the mummification

Allah (Exaled is He) wrote in the Qur'an:
We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!
 
Hurts said:
Maybe it's just me..but im really not interested in knowing if i go to hell or heaven..or if there was a big bang..i just wanna live my life lol
be careful of what you wish for cause one day you might come to regret those words. then you will remember this lines and start to wonder what if.
 
Hurts its not just you, most people think the same way,, but let me quote thugsmansion "But to be honest the fact that you don't even wonder or care where we as humans came from shows me your ignorance."

so watch out, these accademics will get their knickers in knot with views like that, haha
 
groobz said:
Hurts its not just you, most people think the same way,, but let me quote thugsmansion "But to be honest the fact that you don't even wonder or care where we as humans came from shows me your ignorance."

so watch out, these accademics will get their knickers in knot with views like that, haha
Ahh Groobz, there u go again,
to start with you quoted me out of context and you got my damn name wrong.
The only reason I made that comment is because you kept insulting religions claiming that they are rubbish, you later said that you have never been interested in religion or researched what they were about. This gives you no right to insult a religion. You were ignorant to comment on something which you knew absoloutely nothing about. :)
 
tupacmansion said:
Ahh Groobz, there u go again,
to start with you quoted me out of context and you got my damn name wrong.
The only reason I made that comment is because you kept insulting religions claiming that they are rubbish, you later said that you have never been interested in religion or researched what they were about. This gives you no right to insult a religion. You were ignorant to comment on something which you knew absoloutely nothing about. :)
then u should of worded your sentence correctly matey! where did i say i have never reserched or was interested in religion?, i know enough for me to form an opinion on them, i also knew enough to know that islam is a new religion, if you look at the history of religion. If you don't like my opinion on religion fine,, but that doesn't make me ignorant, it just makes me an enemy or an infedel! as the quran describes me :)
 
groobz said:
then u should of worded your sentence correctly matey! where did i say i have never reserched or was interested in religion?, i know enough for me to form an opinion on them, i also knew enough to know that islam is a new religion, if you look at the history of religion. If you don't like my opinion on religion fine,, but that doesn't make me ignorant, it just makes me an enemy or an infedel! as the quran describes me :)
well I asked you if you ever wondered about where we as humans came from, you replied no. To me this shows that you haven't even researched religion, unless you have wondered about where we came from
And Groobz Im not calling you ignorant due to your oppinion, its due to your attitude on the matter. You seem to hate Islam, yet you barely know a thing about it. And the Infedel thing is just too damn funny. The fact that you disagree with the Qurans teaching doesn't make you an enemy, Muslims know that you should question the quarans teaching to ensure they are not false. So you are doing good in my oppinion, keep questioning the quaran!! :)
 
tupacmansion said:
well I asked you if you ever wondered about where we as humans came from, you replied no. To me this shows that you haven't even researched religion, unless you have wondered about where we came from
And Groobz Im not calling you ignorant due to your oppinion, its due to your attitude on the matter. You seem to hate Islam, yet you barely know a thing about it. And the Infedel thing is just too damn funny. The fact that you disagree with the Qurans teaching doesn't make you an enemy, Muslims know that you should question the quarans teaching to ensure they are not false. So you are doing good in my oppinion, keep questioning the quaran!! :)
so because i don't wonder about where humans come from, u decided to have a guess and say that i hadn't researched religion or have no interest in it? u guessed wrong my friend.

but ok then, 1. what does islam think of buddists, or people who follow shinto for example,, obviously they believe in something that is completley different to islam,, but does islam respect this?

2. i don't believe in islam, i'm not questioning the qurans teaching at all,, i just flat out don't believe that its real at all. I respect muslims though, and respect that they belief in their allah,, but theres no way i'm down with allah,,what am i? am i respected?

:)
 
groobz said:
so because i don't wonder about where humans come from, u decided to have a guess and say that i hadn't researched religion or have no interest in it? u guessed wrong my friend.

but ok then, 1. what does islam think of buddists, or people who follow shinto for example,, obviously they believe in something that is completley different to islam,, but does islam respect this?

2. i don't believe in islam, i'm not questioning the qurans teaching at all,, i just flat out don't believe that its real at all. I respect muslims though, and respect that they belief in their allah,, but theres no way i'm down with allah,,what am i? am i respected?

:)
Anyone who doesn't think about where we came from, is either lazy or ignorant. How can you live without thinking of where you came from. You must have given it a thought, surely. And I didn't guess, I simply just read your comment which said that you "didn't wonder about where we came from", but it is clear now that you do wonder and that you have researched Religion.
Ok, ur asking me if I respect other religions. To start with I live in the UK, im surrounded by non-muslims, of course I respect them. I have respect for everyone and don't judge people according to their religion. As regards to religions, I don't agree with most of them, but of course i respect them.
OK you say that your not questioning the Quran, what are you doing then, just simply disregarding what it says without giving it a thought. Well if thats what your doing then its up to you. Why not question what it says and prove it wrong, wouldn't that be more satisfying to you.
And yes I do still respect you, just b'coz your not a muslim doesn't make you evil.
:)
 
"Anyone who doesn't think about where we came from, is either lazy or ignorant. " - no.

and thanks for those answers, what about answering them from the perspective of the koran?
 
groobz said:
and thanks for those answers, what about answering them from the perspective of the koran?
I did answer them from my interpreatation of the quaran and from what Islam has taught me. You seem to think that the Quran teaches evil, you are very misguided my friend. Seriously, don't judge Islam by Osama Bin Laden and other terrorist. Judge it by the majority, who live in peace and are taught to love others, no matter what their religion. Your view in Muslims is completely wrong. You probably haven't even met that many muslims, thus leading you to have this perspective.
 
tupacmansion said:
I did answer them from my interpreatation of the quaran and from what Islam has taught me. You seem to think that the Quran teaches evil, you are very misguided my friend. Seriously, don't judge Islam by Osama Bin Laden and other terrorist. Judge it by the majority, who live in peace and are taught to love others, no matter what their religion. Your view in Muslims is completely wrong. You probably haven't even met that many muslims, thus leading you to have this perspective.
ok your view seems different from other muslims on this board i've talked too, and yes i have muslim friends i diss them hard about religion and diss me hard as well for being a silly aussie, all in good fun of course.. I used to live with some guys from Oman, but they were pro U.S/pro Bush muslims, cos they hated iraq and saddam so much. can u holla @ my msn or something? i want to ask more questions there.
 
groobz said:
but ok then, 1. what does islam think of buddists, or people who follow shinto for example,, obviously they believe in something that is completley different to islam,, but does islam respect this?
In Islam, there is no compulsion in religion. Muslims were also the ones who demonstrated tolerance to other faiths hence why the persecuted Christians and Jews in the medieval period fled to the Islamic Empire.

“Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And Allah hears and knows all things.” [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 256]
 

Glockmatic

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doesn't the quran also say

Q.9: 29: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
and
Q.5: 51 O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
 
Glockmatic said:
doesn't the quran also say



and
Q.9: 29: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
This is when they refuse to pay the jizya (those who are able to)

"The nature of this verse with respect to fight is not antagonistic because of ethnicity, but rather over monetary and regulatory issues within the state. A similar policy is applicable to the Muslims themselves when they refuse to pay their dues to the state. In the same manner Christians and Jews are obligated to pay the state jizya, Muslims are obligated to pay to the state zakat. Zakah is a form of taxation similar to the tax that most people have to pay to their respective states. In similar manner to the case of jizya with respect to the People of the Book, if Muslims, too, refused to pay zakat, then the state is obligated to obtain it by force. An example of this was the case of the Murtadeen, several tribes, who, during the rule of first Caliph Abu Bakr refused to pay zakat, a war was conducted against them until they paid it, and acknowledged their subjection to the state."

Q.5: 51 O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
"While Muslims respect Jews and Christians as People of the Book, at the same time Muslims are cautioned not to take them as close friends. This does not mean that Muslims should not treat them with respect, kindness, and justice, nor that Muslims cannot socialize with them as long as they respect the limits of Islam - for example, that no alcohol is served. But it does mean that Muslims should seek personal advice and, on a national level, allies, from fellow Muslims.

The Qur’an gives guidance in how to deal with the People of the Book. It reads what means:

*{And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor will the Christians, till thou follow their creed. Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah [Himself] is Guidance. And if thou shouldst follow their desires after the knowledge which hath come unto thee, then wouldst thou have from Allah no protecting friend nor helper.}* (Al-Baqarah 2:120)

The Qur’an also reads:

*{And they say: Be Jews or Christians, then ye will be rightly guided. Say [unto them, O Muhammad]: Nay, but [we follow] the religion of Abraham, the upright, and he was not of the idolaters. Say [O Muslims]: We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto Us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob. and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, add that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.}* (Al-Baqarah 2:135-136)

Another verse reads what means:

*{O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is [one] of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.}* (Al-Ma’idah 5:51)"

http://www.islamonline.net/askaboutislam/display.asp?hquestionID=6055
 
Yahya some of those verses really does explain why islamic countries have problems with militancy and voilence.

But you didn't answer my question.. I don't care about jews or christians, i want to know what islam thinks about budists or people of the shinto religion. These people reject allah obviously, and the islamic ways, so no more of this

"Allah hears and knows all things" - because this apply's to muslims, it does not apply to people of other religions like shinto, u agree with that obviously?
 
groobz said:
Yahya some of those verses really does explain why islamic countries have problems with militancy and voilence.
And how they do explain? How do these verses explain the acts of those who trangress.

But you didn't answer my question.. I don't care about jews or christians, i want to know what islam thinks about budists or people of the shinto religion. These people reject allah obviously, and the islamic ways, so no more of this
How did you conclude that the quote was only exclusive to the People of the Book? Does it state "Let there be no compulsion in religion to the People of the Book" or does it say it in a general sense that Muslims not should coercion.
 
Yahya said:
And how they do explain? How do these verses explain the acts of those who trangress.


How did you conclude that the quote was only exclusive to the People of the Book? Does it state "Let there be no compulsion in religion to the People of the Book" or does it say it in a general sense that Muslims not should coercion.
1. Those verses about how you shouldn't take the christians and jews as friends, seem a bit rough. If you don't think some of these verses are the cause,, than whats your answer? why does islam and muslim countries have problems with militancy?

2. Again you didn't answer my question,, does islam respect religions such as budism and shinto that go against the beliefs of islam? so this means these people reject the word of allah. Does islam respect this? (no more squirming either,, i've asked you this question in other threads and you always alude it,, and i really want to know)
 

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