Quran and the Bible; the differences of Jesus

[Rukas]

This thread is not meant to discuss which faith is better or which faith is right, or if Jesus was real, or the son of God, or anything like that. If you are unable to stay on topic with this discussion without ranting and raving, preaching, or trying to make converts of people, you will be precluded from future access to the Words Of Wisdom forum.

I had an interesting conversation with an Islamic friend of mine last night over dinner and drinks about the Quran and Bibles different interpretations of Jesus stemming from a discussion about the Jerusalem Church (not the Jewish church).

Anyway, I am sure that most non Muslims on here are aware that the Quran considers Jesus as a prophet like Mohammad, but not the son of God. And while that is the most significant difference I was intrigued to learn that the Quran states that God took Jesus up to heaven, and spared him death. So there was no resurrection, because there was no death, and another man took his place on the cross.

An interesting thing my friend (who is in his 40’s) recently learnt himself, is that unlike the Quran, the Bible doesn’t state that Jesus could talk as a baby. He told me, that the Quran said Jesus spoke as an infant, which I had never previously heard of.

Two interestingly different takes on the same history. I guess if you do not study both faiths in detail, which most people do not, you don’t pick up on these differences or even know they exist.

Does anyone else know of any other differences? Please reflect on the first paragraph in this post before replying.

 

[KAMIKAZI]

ur too late, kadafifatals been gone for a week

 

[Rukas]

ur too late, kadafifatals been gone for a week

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Congratulations.

 

[Tru Principle]

Hopefully by tomorrow I'll a better answer for you Ruk', but for now i'll try to leave some input at the risk of sounding unsure.

I believe there are no significant differances. The importantace in Jesus(PBUH) is believed by both religions however the disagreement comes to whether he died or whether he was taken up to Heaven and had a Jesus (PBUH) look-alike take his place. He was a Prophet and I don't know why people try to silence the fact that He said after me the last prophet will come and he will be by the name of Ahmad (PBUH). It's only one GOD for us, and only one Jesus (PBUH) and only one Muhammad (PBUH) and only one love... so.. please appreciate the Miracles Jesus(PBUH) did and appreciate the life he lived... and at the risk of sounding too aggressive, study the life of our Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)... he too has an inspiration to give you.

Sallam Ou 3alyeikoum.

 

[Rukas]

He was a Prophet and I don't know why people try to silence the fact that He said after me the last prophet will come and he will be by the name of Ahmad (PBUH).

Jesus does not say this in the Bible, he says he is the last and the one true way to God. Thus this is another difference in your teaching of Jesus in the Quran. Jesus says another will come in the form of the holy spirit, and that he will return, another advocate, but he names it the spirit of truth, not another Prophet. At least that is how it is to my knowledge.

 

[not really ken]

Jesus is mentioned more times in the Quran than Mohammed (PBUH).
BUt moving on the Quran states that Mary (maryam) didn't give birth to Jesus in a stable of manger or anything rather by the side of a bush. Rukas there's actually a whole surah (chapter) in the Quran called chapter mary (surah maryam).
plus you'd really want to check Ahmed Deedat, that guy has countless debate videos and books about comparative religion between the 'big three'

http://www.parvez-video.com/quran/summary/surah_maryam/index.asp

^^ask me any questions. the understanding of the quran is a 3 year degree in an islamic university.

 

[Rukas]

^^^What does the Quran say about Jesus father?

 

[not really ken]

simply that by the will of Allah Mary is to have a child. No 'spirit' overcame her or anything. jesus had no father and he was the son of Mary

 

[KAMIKAZI]

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Congratulations.

LOL!

U were the one who started a topic callin him out

 

[Rukas]

LOL!

U were the one who started a topic callin him out

This thread is nothing like kadafifatals, he would ask bullshit general questions, where as this is direct comparison of two different texts and historical accounts of the same mans life.

If you think this thread is the same as kadafifatal's, please stay out of Words Of Wisdom, its just way over your head.

Oh, and btw, you either are kadafifatal, or live very close to him, seeing as you share the same IP on most of your posts. Careful before I click the "Ban dual IP" button.

So once again:

Intellect added to the discussion by KAMIKAZI = 0%

Please dont post in this thread any more unless you have something to add to the discussion at hand, or what I said in the first paragraph of this thread will take place.

 

[VENOMOUS]

simply that by the will of Allah Mary is to have a child. No 'spirit' overcame her or anything. jesus had no father and he was the son of Mary

well it doesnt sound that way to me.

Yo but if jesus was a jew and muhamed was a non jew,How come the muslims have so much respect jesus and calls him a prophet.Especially when jesus is from the same blood line as king david(who slayed goliath and his brothers)who was the same person that went to war with the ancient palestinans and was one of the kings of isarel.

Also in the bible it does say jesus could talk and communicate with animals from a lil child after all i believe he was preaching from when he was a child.

and the whole thing about the spirit over comming mary thing, i believe to be true because cause by the spirit over comming mary and creating jesus he bypassed the curse/sins of man,his blood had to be pure 4 the ultimate sacrafice on the cross.I believe this more so because it was one of the 1st prophecy in the bible(genesis to be exact)which was written thousands of years be4 jesus was born..Yo and is judasim older then islam?

 

[Rukas]

simply that by the will of Allah Mary is to have a child. No 'spirit' overcame her or anything. jesus had no father and he was the son of Mary

That is interesting, but by "the will of Allah" do you mean an immaculate conception, or is it just a figure of speach as in "by the grace of God"? Does the Quran state Allah played a direct roll in the conception of Jesus, or does it just not go into detail of how he was conceived?

 

[Rukas]

well it doesnt sound that way to me.

Yo but if jesus was a jew and muhamed was a non jew,How come the muslims have so much respect jesus and calls him a prophet.Especially when jesus is from the same blood line as king david(who slayed goliath and his brothers)who was the same person that went to war with the ancient palestinans and was one of the kings of isarel.

Jesus was born a Jew, but the Jews chose not the follow him or believe in him, hence Jesus teaching branched off from the Jewish church into what was called the Jerusalem Church and later into Christianity. Mohammed to my understanding, saw Jesus a prophet in his religion, one who happened to be born a Jew, but was not accepted by the Jewish people. Ken?

As for the bloodline of David, which makes Jesus the direct King Of the Jews, making this a literal statement and not one of mockery as often believed, is a theory. And while I am not sure if the Quran even mentions this, if it does not, it may mean it was either not know during Mohammed’s time or is not true. But im unsure of the Quran’s stance on this.

Also in the bible it does say jesus could talk and communicate with animals from a lil child after all i believe he was preaching from when he was a child.

Yes, but the Quran says he could talk as a baby, the Bible does not.

Yo and is judasim older then islam?

Yes. Judaism began with Moses, Christianity began with Jesus, and Islam began with Mohammad, each claim to carry on with the one before it. Judaism prophecies Jesus, but because of political fear during the time of Jesus the official stance was that he was not the Messiah, a lot of Jews however did follow Jesus, but the official stance was against him.

 

[VENOMOUS]

The reason why alotta jew didnt follow him because he was teaching a new gospel.He bought fourth a new law.instead of eye 4 eye turn the other cheek etc....alotta jew saw that as blasphemy.And its kind of wierd after all that shit happened jew went thru persucution like no other race on this planet.Yo but thanks 4 the info.

Oh yeah if you follow the bloodline in the bible you can see where jesus is from davids blood line.Matter fact the i believ the whole old testament is about jesus's ansestors Im not sure though Because my memory not to clear right now.

 

[Khaled]

A lot of Christians I know also say that Jesus could talk as a baby, actually, what I thought was the difference is that as a baby, Jesus said "ana abdu Allah" (I am God's servant) according to the Quran whereas Christians say he said "ana ibnu Allah" (I am God's son)

the difference is that the Quran really emphasizes the fact the God didn't have any children ("lam yaled wa lam youlad walam yakon laho kofwon ahad")

 

[The.Menace]

Also in the bible it does say jesus could talk and communicate with animals from a lil child after all i believe he was preaching from when he was a child.

No in the bible they don't say that he could talk with animals and no, he started preachin as a man, not as a child. There isn't much known about his teenager years, at least nothing written down in the bible, therefor we believe that he was a pretty normal child.

I'm always amazed how close the two religions in fact are and I hate that anyone always sees what seperates from what could unite us.

 

[not really ken]

judaism, Christianity and Islam are all Abrahamic traditions. I think they're descendants of Abraham (but i'm not sure about that).
Moses and Jesus are named more times in the Quran than Mohammed is. That's to say that Islam acknowledges their prophet hood and their messenger titles.
Rukas, by the will of Allah I mean that Allah sent Gabriel with a direct message stating that she will give birth to a prophet, when she enquired that no man had touched her (reference to her being unmarried). Gabriel said that Allah says 'be' and it is. A miracle birth!!!!!

Islam also believes in the second coming of Christ, the jews in the meantime are ARE waiting for a prophet which has been promised in the Torah. To the muslims that is Mohammed.

Venomous: Jesus never brought a new law per se. Rather he stated that he had come to enforce the law of moses (with some changes). The new testament doesn't really have a 'shariah'. the old does. The shariah (laws) of the old testament are similar to the islamic shariah.

In islam no one is born sinful, rather they are born pure.

 

[not really ken]

sorry for a new post, but i want to look at other peoples replies whilst writing.

Venomous: the muslims don't have a problem with the jews, they have lived side by side the muslims for 1400 years and during the time of Mohammed in Mecca many pacts and treaties were made with the jews. There are even well known hadith (sayings, actions and day to day life of mohammed) where jews were ruled in favour to over muslims in Medina the city of Mohammed.

As muslims, we beleive that judaism and christianity were sent to their communities. trhe 'banee Israel' the people of israel. and other messengers and prophets were sent elsewhere. Mohammed though was sent to mankind. this is evident from the way in which moses jesus and mohammed addressed the people. The former two addressed them with "O people of Israel". Whereas Mohammed adressed them with "O mankind"

Also Christ was extremely spiritual, the muslims refer to him as the spirit of Allah. He brought extreme spirituality to his people to bring them to a middle ground away from extreme materialism. Jesus never got married he was a traveller never made a home for himself ate very little mostly fasted etc etc. Mohammed though, showed how to live a way of life which aims to restore order in the lives of mankind. he married, he had children and he did all the things that any normal man would do. this was because the main mission of mohammed was to teach how to live. Jesus never did that he never married, thats why priest nowadays don't get married, but we now know that this is against the innate nature of man. man can not live like that.

however, even with differences in living, the bottom line is that christians say jesus is the son of god, muslims say he was the son of Mary and God doesn't have no partners or offspring

 

[Kareem]

Jesus does not say this in the Bible, he says he is the last and the one true way to God. Thus this is another difference in your teaching of Jesus in the Quran. Jesus says another will come in the form of the holy spirit, and that he will return, another advocate, but he names it the spirit of truth, not another Prophet. At least that is how it is to my knowledge.

thats true in the niv an english versions it does say that but if you ever get the chance or have any Jewish friends that read or speak Hebrew get them to get you a copy of the Hebrew Bible an read it to you, an you can see how badly the english version has been currupted examples are in the Hebrew Bible it says the last an final prophet is Mohummad. just my 2 cents Salaam

 

[devils_advok8]

In the Quran it says that people went to Mary and started questioning who was the child's father, then Jesus defended his mother by saying something which I can't really remember.