President Bush's Address to the Nation

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Zero Cool said:
No, it's not. Killing innocent civilians in never justified, Bin Laden understands this. If he had to kill 290 million he would. He's a fanatical terrorist who will kill any and all to achieve his twisted goals, simple as that.
No, he would not. He has the resources to kill many, and he won't do it. He has no twisted goals. His mission is for the Muslim world. We oppress the Muslim world, and he is the resistance. You've been brainwashed by American media. They want you to believe he is a monster, so you'll support the government's decisions for war and masked imperialism for money, which you clearly do. The US gov't is in need of oil. They also want power over the rest of the world's resources, which is the reason for our widespread military bases. And why does he live in the mountains? If he's such a bad guy, why does he fight for others' interests? He could be living anywhere in the world in a mansion, but he has refused that life. It's obviously not simple. You're looking for the simple explanation, the one that you see on TV or the one that your patriotic teachers/parents etc. tell you. Take off the blind fold. Your government is lying to you.

Your attempt to equate slavery with U.S./Israeli behaviour in the Middle East is beyond asinine. Bin Laden attacked America because he is a fanatical Muslim who believes that by ridding all Western influence from the Middle East, Muslim's can somehow be "free". Another reason is that America is Israel's principal backer and main military aid. Israel has every right to exist and this is something fanatics like Bin Laden cannot accept. He wants a world where fanaticism is law and kangaroo courts are the name of the game.
No the reason for the attacks is because we are aiding in the oppression of his people. We are infringing on their territory and we have no right to do that. Of course Israel has the right to exist, but they have no right to exist in Palestinain territory. When they give up some of their land, stop racial profiling, stop tearing down homes with tanks, stop killing Palastinians, and they must allow a Palastinian state, then there will be peace. Israel is waiting for the messiah to destroy Palastine. They will not give them what they deserve. This is the same as early America taking Native American land and forcing them onto reservations. Since Israel has guns, they think they can have everything their way. But it is not ALL their property. They don't have any simpathy or compassion. How can they expect peace when they're oppressing this nation? Palastine has a right to be free and bin Laden has a right to fight for it.

Bin Laden attacked the Twin Towers between 8-9 AM, the time when the city is filling up and people are crowding the streets. If he didn't really want to hurt civilians (which is as idiotic as it sounds) he would have either not attacked the towers at all or done it during the night to save lives. By doing it when he did, he maximized exposure and killed as many people as possible. The Twin Towers were in the middle of the World's capital, do you honestly think Bin Laden didn't really want to kill people? Come off it.
"And I tell you, God only knows, that we never had the intentions to destroy the towers. But after the injustice was so much and we saw transgressions and the coalition between Americans and the Israelis against our people in Palestine and Lebanon..."

I never said I support that (what about Hiroshima or nagasaki, where, by the way, many (read:MANY) more innocent people and things were destroyed...was that not worth it? It must be, your precious yankees carried it out!)...but you're ignorant for not understanding it. If you think that our military and Israeli oppression has no fault in this you're ignorant and you don't understand how people in suffering feel. And you are not aware to the fact that our media is making money by scaring you and telling you that anyone who is not for us is against us, and that, just because they are in another world with different customs, gives us the right to push them around and get involved in things we don't belong in. The target was not people, the target was American capitalism, represented by twin towers. Bush, your little hero, has told you that he's a bad man, so you believe it. You refuse to let go and look for the truth. You refuse to go to the source.
bin Laden has said that all the civilians are in heaven for giving their lives for the cause.

If you honestly believe this tripe someone or something has obviously brainwashed you beyond all normal comprehension. Bin Laden is "as unselfish as they come"?, Israel is "holding a whole region of people hostage"? You're an idiot.
FUCK U (just kidding). This is the truth. Go watch Fox News and watch them do a little more gov't ass kissing. He could be a fuckin billionare, and instead he gave it all up to live in the fucking wilderness. He's unselfish. He gave a life of luxury to put his life on the line and be a freedom fighter. Arafat is the same way. He died and his picture got full page on USA Today. These men are not monsters.
As far as Israel and Palestine, if you were in their position you would do the same thing believe me. To live in a police state where the police are religous persecuters and want you and your people and your "religion" gone. Imagine living in that kind of environment...where the people with the guns and tanks and money and the people who run everything hate you and your people...It sounds a little like the US and the black population...which is why there were black panthers like Afeni and Assata and Fred and Huey...see the relation?

I've read many books on this subject. Noam Chomsky is a left-wing fantasist who believes in such tales as U.S.-Nazi co-operation after the Second World War and defended killers like the Khmer Rouge, I wouldn't trust his analysis of the conflict if my life depended on it.
The US and Nazi Germany did work together before the war. I don't really care about that we're not talking about that. Chomsky is one of the smartest men in America in politics AND linguistics AND philosophy and a whole lot of other shit. I'd trust him before I'd trust the fuckin red neck oil scavenger in the white house, or the money hungry media.

Poor young Americans? What innane rubbish you are espousing. The United States took out Saddam Hussein because he was a strategic threat and Iraq is situated right in the middle of terrorist infested territory, with the resulting democratization hopefully having a knock on effect. If we took your attitude then perhaps the U.S. should never have fought Hitler, who cares right he was only terrorizing all of Eastern Europe.
Most of the US Soldiers fighting are either poor minorities or poor kids from rural America. Military recruiters target these areas because they know that poor kids need the money more than the rich kids. The congress has no kids in the military, in combat or not. Poor Americans are doing the Gov't's dirty work.

Hussein was never "terrorizing" anyone. He did not have WMD. His military sucked dick. He never would've gained the support that Hitler had and he never would've had the willpower to do it. He did nothing special up to the war. All of a sudden Bush gets on TV and demands that they leave. WTF? He didn't invade Poland, he didn't take Jews into prison.



And I'm not debating anymore. You're ignorant and it's not your fault. You've grown up thinking that your country is great and always has been great. Maybe it's your parents or whoever has taught you to be this way. You're not looking for the truth...you're looking for "facts" that support that the US is great. I know what it feels like to be patriotic. I used to be. My parents are both right ring who vote Bush and listen to Rush. They think that the prisoner mistreatment should be official policy. They think there's no such thing as global warming or racial profiling. They also think that (honest to god) drug dealers should be executed. They think that Osama bin Laden hates their freedom and wants to kill them. They think that soldiers are in Iraq to help them. WHY? Because they've grown up with this image in their head that America is honorable. Their parents were veterans who fought in WWII. They are 100% behind W and his father, even with all these body bags coming home. For what? Listen to the screams of our kids getting shot in the chest, getting 3rd degree burns, or getting a limb blown off. For what? Your war is not necessary. Learn to have compassion. If everyone had a little more compassion, we'd all be one step closer to peace.

The truth is that Palestine is in suffering. Please have compassion for them. WHy can't Israel give them what belongs to them? A country where they can be free to be praise god without having to worry about a soldier with a gun? Is this too much to ask? The people under Hussein and the people who went through 9/11 first hand do not see this kind of suffering, and can't feel the tremendous pain every single fucking day, that comes with living this way. The groups you call terrorists are unselfishly devoting themselves to this liberation, so that their children's children won't have to live this way.

So this is my advice...put your flag down and look for the truth. Not what your parents told you should believe, or what your network news channel tells you is fair. THE TRUTH. That's all we want, isn't it? Let go of the dream of American greatness and honor. Let go of nationalism and 'i love America." Take your blindfold off...

And if you can't understand any of this I'll tell you this...the freedom fighters WILL win, and Palestine will be free. The question is whether America learns to get out of the way. If they don't, a lot of innocent people will die needlessly. And eventually America will fall too I guarantee it...

Peace and truth is love.
 

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