Zero Cool said:
I'm not implying that at all. The point is that these prisoners are NOT imprisoned in an inherently abusive system. These people are among the most dangerous in the world who would kill men, women and children if given the chance. As Rumsfeld said "these aren't your everyday car thieves". That point should not be lost when discusssing these men's treatment. In comparison to any other major war, the treatment of these prisoners has been first rate.
You're right, they aren't everyday car theives - many are innocent & therefore, less than that.
And, again, regardless of the crime there are rules to adhere to.
"In comparison to any other major war..."? Excuse me, war? Wars are declared, this was a conflict - like Vietnam. And still, just because - in your opinion - it goes from horrific to merely terrible, doesn't make it alright.
Zero Cool said:
The bottom line is these men are terrorists who are being held in captivity for a reason. Their ally's in Iraq are daily beheading and torturing innocent people to further their extremist goals. What they want is not a free Iraq but a base to continue further attacks on the West.
Daily? Hmm, no.
Innocent? Well, that's a matter of opinion.
Plus, there is little to indicate "further attacks on the West" are the objective of the Iraqi people or their foreign comrades.
Zero Cool said:
You cannot bring forth the evidence because there is simply none to bring. There is NO indication that the U.S. has a pervasive policy of abusing detainees unwritten or otherwise in Iraq.
We've changed it to "in Iraq"? Ok. Previously it was US military now it's strictly conduct in Iraq. Tell me, how many indcidents have you heard of?
Now those are the ones which you can't deny because the Americans themselves don't deny them. Then of course there are the ones that are not allowed to get to the media. Then there are the ones which are never reported. You do accept that there will be covered-up & unreported incidents, right?
And if you think no, tell me why this "conflict" is different to Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Nicaragua or anywhere else the US has meddled where they've covered things up.
Zero Cool said:
You have ignored or refused to acknowledge that there is no blatant policy of abuse going on in Iraq. Actions taken by the few in your mind seem to account for the many. This is simply wrong. In any war there will be abuses, that is an unfortunate given. However compared with other wars the instances of abuse here are exceedingly low and have mostly been punished when brought to the relevant authorities. Thus, left-wingers like yourself bang on about the same tired stories time after time as you have nothing else to go on.
I acknowledge it fully, but as a false opinion. And like I said, it's not only in Iraq, it's not only now, there's a pattern stretching back a long time.
Change that to, "reported instances of abuse which have been reported & then leaked to media".
Zero Cool said:
I am not a Muslim thus I do not act like a Muslim. If one man let's his kids have free reign and an another keeps them under lock and key, does this mean the first man dosen't hold his children in the same regard as the second? Come on stop reaching. You asked if I held both the Bible and the Qur'an in the same regard. I replied I did. Case closed.
That is poor analogy as there is many, many other factors which contribute to raising a child, lessening the importance of an individual aspect. For a holy book, I can only think of how you maintain it & how often you read it.
Zero Cool said:
Again, stop reaching. These men do not fight under the rules of the Genva convention therefore they negate their rights to be treated under it. Even so, the U.S. treats every prisoner under the rules of war. This is something the terrorists do not do.
No that is wrong. If a man breaches the Geneva Convention he DOES NOT lose his right to be treated under it, that's a fact.
"under the rules of war".....explain what you mean, because every nation, every military outfit & every person tends to have their own view of what this allows. And unless it's one that has little value for human life, then the Americans don't adhere to it.
Have you ever been held captive by "the terrorists"? We see a few videos but if your claims are correct, they take many more prisoners than this. So what happens to the rest?
Zero Cool said:
If you want to so naiive as to believe that Saddam or Bin Laden would treat it's prisoners in a manner akin to the West, go ahead.
there was no mention of the West collectively!! America makes up it's own rules - EVERYONE knows this.
And yes, Hussein (again, the man is not a child) & bin Laden's treatment of prisoners would parallel US treament quite closely at times I would think seeing as the Americans use some of the most advanced techniques in the world.
But regardless, the question was not about techniques or methods, it was who's to say who is the worse between maltreatment & maltreatment?
i knew you were going to say that. 
