Omnipotent Benevolence
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It appears you have nothing to say, in which case, it would be best if you said nothing at all.
Comments like this are futile, if you want to discuss religion versus science why don't you do like Yahya did & make some intelligent points, instead of implying that.......wtf are you implying because we don't believe in God, we're going to be harmed?
When, the Rapture? Unlike yourself I have no fear of God but, in asking for our forgiveness, it appears you're pretty scared of what he can do & what kind of person worships those he is afraid of? Ah, the oppressed....while there are some who appear to be galvanized by their beliefs there are people like yourself who seem weak & use it as a prop. As you cannot stand on your own two feet or think for yourself, you welcome a quasi dictatorship, happy to bow before your shepherd.
I do not wish to argue with you as, to argue with a fool is as foolish as the fool himself. (See? I too can make grandeur statements that hold little relevance at all)
Anyway, just as Plato had rationalized, to say that 'God did it' is not to explain anything at all, but simply to offer an excuse for not having an explanation....
Comments like this are futile, if you want to discuss religion versus science why don't you do like Yahya did & make some intelligent points, instead of implying that.......wtf are you implying because we don't believe in God, we're going to be harmed?
When, the Rapture? Unlike yourself I have no fear of God but, in asking for our forgiveness, it appears you're pretty scared of what he can do & what kind of person worships those he is afraid of? Ah, the oppressed....while there are some who appear to be galvanized by their beliefs there are people like yourself who seem weak & use it as a prop. As you cannot stand on your own two feet or think for yourself, you welcome a quasi dictatorship, happy to bow before your shepherd.
I do not wish to argue with you as, to argue with a fool is as foolish as the fool himself. (See? I too can make grandeur statements that hold little relevance at all)
Anyway, just as Plato had rationalized, to say that 'God did it' is not to explain anything at all, but simply to offer an excuse for not having an explanation....
What I'm trying to say is - there is people dismissing the idea that God is Almighty powerfull and Good Willed. And these same people are turning to man for an explanation to disasters like the recent Tsunami; the same men who only realised the earth wasn't flat only 500 years ago!
And as for people saying it was the people of the church insisting the Earth was flat, where does it say that in the Bible? Does it say "God made the earth; and it was round, God made the Sea; and it was wet and Blue.... etc"
Why believe that Earth started with a Big Bang when that 'Theory' was thought up in the last century.
Man is mortal, and man is also Dumb, in my eyes. How long will people go on to ignore what it says in the scriptures? Scriptures that has survived many of man's useless theorys and explanations.
And as for people saying it was the people of the church insisting the Earth was flat, where does it say that in the Bible? Does it say "God made the earth; and it was round, God made the Sea; and it was wet and Blue.... etc"
Why believe that Earth started with a Big Bang when that 'Theory' was thought up in the last century.
Man is mortal, and man is also Dumb, in my eyes. How long will people go on to ignore what it says in the scriptures? Scriptures that has survived many of man's useless theorys and explanations.
This idea is retarded.
That's like saying,
Why believe in God because in the time the Bible was written, the people didn't know the Earth revolves around the sun?
I'll reiterate my previous statement, to say that 'God did it' is not to explain anything at all, but simply to offer an excuse for not having an explanation....
That's like saying,
Why believe in God because in the time the Bible was written, the people didn't know the Earth revolves around the sun?
I'll reiterate my previous statement, to say that 'God did it' is not to explain anything at all, but simply to offer an excuse for not having an explanation....
The Big Bang theory is retarded.
That's just saying you have no point of view whatsoever. I'm not trying to say God did anything.
What I'm saying is that If God is Almighty and Powerfull then what other reasons are there for human suffering? I.e. Disease, war, pain, disaster etc. That's my whole point of this thread.
That's just saying you have no point of view whatsoever. I'm not trying to say God did anything.
What I'm saying is that If God is Almighty and Powerfull then what other reasons are there for human suffering? I.e. Disease, war, pain, disaster etc. That's my whole point of this thread.
I wouldn't be surprised if I was retarded, in this day in age. At least I know myself and my views.
How does science explain retardation? How do you? You would explain retardation as something inferior to oneself. Am I right? Or do you exercise equality?
We are all God's children, no matter how disabled.
This is totally off topic.
Did I choose a topic too intellectual for your conditioned mind?
How does science explain retardation? How do you? You would explain retardation as something inferior to oneself. Am I right? Or do you exercise equality?
We are all God's children, no matter how disabled.
This is totally off topic.
Did I choose a topic too intellectual for your conditioned mind?
You tried to manipulate what I said, either that or you were unable to understand a simple sentence which lead me to believe that you may be mentally retarded.
Science would tell you that the cause of retardation is to be found in genetics. You may claim it has someone to do with the person's sins.
My definition of mental retardation? When someone's mental capacity is far behind their peers.
I exercise equality in the sense that I perceive all humans, even yourself, as my brothers & sisters as we are bound by human blood. It doesn't mean I cannot have a low opinion of your intelligence or personality but when it comes down to it, I realize that we are all equal.
As for this topic being too intellectual, I ask you to read the posts of Yahya. He is someone who is on the same side of the fence as you & yet constructs his points in a compeltely differeny manner - one which makes those points coherent, sensible & also quite open-minded to objections. You see, you may have chosen an intellectual topic but you are yet to discuss it like an intellectual.
Science would tell you that the cause of retardation is to be found in genetics. You may claim it has someone to do with the person's sins.
My definition of mental retardation? When someone's mental capacity is far behind their peers.
I exercise equality in the sense that I perceive all humans, even yourself, as my brothers & sisters as we are bound by human blood. It doesn't mean I cannot have a low opinion of your intelligence or personality but when it comes down to it, I realize that we are all equal.
As for this topic being too intellectual, I ask you to read the posts of Yahya. He is someone who is on the same side of the fence as you & yet constructs his points in a compeltely differeny manner - one which makes those points coherent, sensible & also quite open-minded to objections. You see, you may have chosen an intellectual topic but you are yet to discuss it like an intellectual.
Yahya is in islam, I'm Christian. We have different point of views.
As for retardation being a sin, please. Many burden's a blessing.
I may not seem to bright to you, And I may be simple. That's just me. I have no intention of being intellectually superior. What did Einstein say ' Imagination is more important than Knowledge '
As for retardation being a sin, please. Many burden's a blessing.
I may not seem to bright to you, And I may be simple. That's just me. I have no intention of being intellectually superior. What did Einstein say ' Imagination is more important than Knowledge '
When I said 'same side of the fence', I meant a religious man, that is all.
Regardless of which religion you subscribe to, you are both trying to put forth points that lean towards the existence of a God.
When I said that you may perceive retardation as a sin, I did so knowing that a lot of religious people have claimed this. If you do not believe this, then I apologize for my assumption.
How ironic that you should quote one of the greatest scientists in the history of man?
Ain't so useless after all, are they.....
Regardless of which religion you subscribe to, you are both trying to put forth points that lean towards the existence of a God.
When I said that you may perceive retardation as a sin, I did so knowing that a lot of religious people have claimed this. If you do not believe this, then I apologize for my assumption.
How ironic that you should quote one of the greatest scientists in the history of man?
Ain't so useless after all, are they.....
500 years ago? Aristotle knew the Earth was round, and gave evidence as to why he was right. The circumference of the earth was estimated, very accurately, by 240BC.
In fact, CHRISTIAN writers, such as Lactantius, explicitly rejected notions that the Earth was spherical, because people would "fall off". It was also argued, by Saint John Chrysostom, that a spherical Earth contradicted the scriptues. Surprised God didn't tap them on the shoulder and say "Actually..."
Why not? Why is the recency of the theory any reason to disbelieve it?
In fact, CHRISTIAN writers, such as Lactantius, explicitly rejected notions that the Earth was spherical, because people would "fall off". It was also argued, by Saint John Chrysostom, that a spherical Earth contradicted the scriptues. Surprised God didn't tap them on the shoulder and say "Actually..."
Why not? Why is the recency of the theory any reason to disbelieve it?
http://www.cis-ca.org/voices/b/bucaille-mn.htm
So mr. Bucaille isn't exactly 100% trustworthy.
No, because my knowledge of both modern science and the quran isn't nearly extensive enough to do that. Not to mention i'm lacking the time to do extensive research.
That said, I don't flat out deny the possibility of a God or any other form of deity. I don't know 100%. For that matter i'm more agnostic than atheistic. Also, i'd lean much more towards the Islamic side than the Christian one. More so because, when people like Bucaille and other scientists, find evidence in the quran of actual scientific "things", enough to stir up debates and create uncertainty, that lets me know that we are pretty ignorant so far and the possibility of a deity being the start of it all is something i'd have to consider.
If a deity set things in motion (f.e. through a "Big Bang"), and then kicked back and let nature/science run it's magic to establish order, i'd have peace with that. What i am so fully against is the notion of a deity doing all sorts of magical things without a scrap of proof. Feel what i'm saying? Like, creating the Earth in X days, and then God snapped his fingers and lo and behold, man was made. That i consider bullshit. Why? Because there's no proof at all.
However, if God instigated a Big Bang and made a grand scheme to have little bacterias evolve into man, damn, that'd be dope! Evolutionism and creationism combined in one. Then that is something i could believe in.
Christians assumed the earth was flat in regards to Revelation 7:1. So it's easy to see why they thought of a earth that's flat.
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c015.html
I was wrong claiming the earth was discovered round about 500 years ago. I got different info. I was mistaken.
I like science in some respects, when I'm cooking for example.
However: as for the Big Bang theory, it's just trying to deny the existence of God. I disregard it, until I see otherwise, because I beleive there are things we humans will never know for certain. Reason being there are too many contradictions for us to have one specific point of view. Reality does hold a sense of duality.
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c015.html
I was wrong claiming the earth was discovered round about 500 years ago. I got different info. I was mistaken.
I like science in some respects, when I'm cooking for example.
However: as for the Big Bang theory, it's just trying to deny the existence of God. I disregard it, until I see otherwise, because I beleive there are things we humans will never know for certain. Reason being there are too many contradictions for us to have one specific point of view. Reality does hold a sense of duality.
So if bombed new york, it would be a sign from God???
if so, why be mad at Bush??? its God's work
If actions by a few people (Al qaeda as an examble), can be excused with "it was God, not us", then theres no real criminals in this world, because its only Gods work...
And if your God feels the need to act this way, then im heading to hell.
I don't think so at all. As Yahya will tell you, it's compatible with Islam. Obviously I don't believe in God, but I don't think Big Bang is an attack on religion. I don't think you should disregard it purely because it contradicts what you believe. That's pretty much admitting that you blindly believe in God and that nothing will be able to persuade you otherwise.
That's the contradiction! If God is Almighty Powerfull and good willed then why would something so terrible (in human eyes) happen?
I can honestly say that of God, not one person walking this earth can comprehend such an entity. Yes people by the thousands may have been killed (in flesh), but if God is part of your or anybody's world then those people had to be in God's hands.
A tsunami certainly has demonstrated an enormous strength to effect peoples lives. And if everything happens for a reason then what reason has this?
I can honestly say that of God, not one person walking this earth can comprehend such an entity. Yes people by the thousands may have been killed (in flesh), but if God is part of your or anybody's world then those people had to be in God's hands.
A tsunami certainly has demonstrated an enormous strength to effect peoples lives. And if everything happens for a reason then what reason has this?
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