Mexicans

[Glockmatic]

thing is that they weren't in combat while they were talking to each other, maybe they felt more comfortable talking to each other in their first language. Your complaint would be reasonable if it was in a combat situation where they gave orders in a language you didn't know.

 

[Swollen_Member]

When did this turn into an afro-american terminology debate?

 

[Chronic]

why promote mexico's life style and history if you are fighting for american rights and freedoms?

Doesn't forcing them to speak another language compromise the same freedom that they're fighting for?

I think you're a bit blinded by patriotism.

 

[fields316_2000]

perhaps you are right chronic- my arguement isnt really the nature of speaking spanish in a group of people, its more of the attitude behind 'we may be here, but its better over there'
for example I'm bi racial, and my kids have a hispanic mom. we casually discuss the difference between being american and clinging to the 'old ways'. she has family that doesnt agree with race mixing because 'its not done in OUR country'. my reply is usually 'fuck your country and thier ways you arnt there..why go some where and complain how that culture mixes and lives?'
thats generally my prospective on this subject..

Also I wasnt turning this into a pro african thing - I'm just saying that there is no such thing as 'Hispanic american ' afro american etc, just American, with an american culture.

 

[S O F I]

my reply is usually 'fuck your country and thier ways you arnt there..why go some where and complain how that culture mixes and lives?'
thats generally my prospective on this subject..
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That's not a really good prospective to have. However, you don't have to change.

 

[haunted]

Imagine if you went to work with 'white power' tattooed on your arms. someone might take it the wrong way. Some of these guys in this cliq im talking about have 'Latino Pride' down their arms, and Latino Warrior across thier back..now I asked my self if these bald mexican guys with tat's were actually bald white guys with tats' this would be investigated by CID and all that about racial bigotry..but because they are a minority already its ok? wheres the standard?

You compared white power to latino pride. And even if it was Latin Power, the power in Latin Power doesnt mean the same thing as the power in White power.

 

[Ghetto_Ghost]

thats tru
white power and latino pride is way fucking different

its the same old story of trying to compare 'nigger' with 'wigger'
at the end of the day its not the same thing and their incomparable

 

[Duke]

Most of you don't understand what fields_whatever (get a better nickname homie, lol) is saying. I think he has a definite point. It might come across a bit wrong but the point is made and there.

 

[Baukem]

who cares...
u can understand any language... u just gotta try harder
its cuz u dont wanna unrderstand , but who cares if they talk a diff language. if u relaly wanna hear what they're saying in detail, go learn the language... simple as that

 

[Vaudeville]

Were you involved in the conversation or did you want them to speak English so you could eavesdrop on them and understand what they were saying?

(I assume you weren't involved in the conversation)

One of my non-Dutch friends can speak Dutch but I speak English with him because I'm used to it. If I'm in a conversation with him and a Dutch friend I'll switch between Dutch and English simply because it's awkward to talk to someone in a different language than you're used to.
If you were involved in the conversation it would be rude of them to speak Spanish but since you weren't (correct me if I'm wrong here), why the hell shouldn't they? There is no need for you to understand them. In my opinion it's rude of you to ask them to talk English so you could understand a conversation you weren't involved in. You say you're not racist but are you xenophobic by any chance?

" So they told me that they didnt feel comfortable when everyone else speaks 'ebonics'. It pissed me off"

Didn't you piss them off first though? If I was in their position I'd be annoyed by you. And it sounds to me like they only said that to say something back.

"I told them that this is the U.S Army and we are in California, not mexico."

That is such a shitty mindstate and it's also stupid as hell. Why should they speak English simply because they're in California? They are talking to other Spanish-speaking people. Now if they were working in a store and spoke Spanish to customers that would be different but they're just talking among themselves.
Do you switch language when you cross the border? If not, you're a hypocrite.

"but do any of you get upset when someone trys to project their heritage on you unnecessarily?"

I read your post 3 times but I couldn't see where they tried to project their heritage upon you. To me it sounds like you were the one doing this.

Just think about what you're actually saying. You're asking people to stop speaking their native tongue so you can understand them even though there is absolutely no need for you to.

"I'm not a racist"

If you didn't say anything racist why would you need to point this out?
In conjunction with your actual post, the thread title is pretty discriminatory since it has nothing to do with the fact that they're Mexican.

Well fucking said. Fields it seems to me that you are either pissed of at the world because in reality you are unhappy, or maybe it's just that you are mad about your brain's capacity not being enough for you to learn another language. :thumb:

btw just the fact that you bluntly name this thread "Mexicans" shows that you are a fuckign racist even if you are a minority your self.

 

[Baukem]

everybodys rascist though

 

[Luv4Pac4Ever]

everybodys rascist though

How so? Just outta curiosity.

 

[Baukem]

well when u ask a man what type of woman u like... they will name a race they prefer...
and everybody first judge ppl on their appearance... if not, why are we doing so much effort in "looking good" ? if we didnt care about our looks, we wudnt be shaving or wearing (fancy) clothes... we all prejudiced in our first judgement when we look to ppl, which usually has a rascist ellement as well... even if that means u dont dislike or hate the person for having that race... but the fact that you "discriminate" or notice the difference is enough.

 

[Luv4Pac4Ever]

Oh ok, I gotcha. I don't know that I agree completely. I mean, yeah most people judge others by their looks. I can't honestly say that I haven't done that myself. As far as discriminating against someone because of their race, I don't do that. I'm white and I don't treat a black, Oriental, Hispanic, or any other person any differently than I'd treat another white person. To me, everybody is human and should be treated as such. I don't think anyone should stereotype but I'm not naive enough to think it doesn't happen, just that it shouldn't. Of course people are gonna see the difference in skin color, that's natural, but skin color shouldn't make you treat people differently. I wasn't raised to treat people differently because of their skin color and I'm not raising my kids that way either. I tell them that everyone is equal and you shouldn't treat anyone different just because they don't look like you. Really everyone should be like kids, they don't see a difference unless they're taught to. But there are ignorant people everywhere and as long as they're teaching their offspring to be as ignorant as they are, racism will always exist.

 

[S O F I]

Most of you don't understand what fields_whatever (get a better nickname homie, lol) is saying. I think he has a definite point. It might come across a bit wrong but the point is made and there.

I understand his point. Almost every American I meet has the same mindset. He has a point, and his point is wrong. Bottom LINE.

 

[Rukas]

Yes, you are. For example, I'm in school and talking to my friend in Bosnian. An American comes up to me and says that I should speak English because he doesn't know whether we talk shit about him or not. I say, "I don't feel comfortable speaking English with my friend because we're used to speaking Bosnian and nobody will tell me I can't speak my native language." You are the typical Yankee, my friend, and you're wrong.

The difference is you are at SCHOOL, he is in the UNITED STATES army, if they want to speak Mexican they should have joined the Mexican army. The last time I checked, Spanish was not the official language of the United States, and thus should not be used in the US Army.

Furthermore this type of thing promotes a "us and them" attitude, which when in battle, could cost someone their life.

Im Polish living in Australia, I speak Polish with my family and my Polish friends, but I would not speak Polish in a formal situation where I am representing Australia, an English country, that would just be stupid.

These guys are whiling to die for the United States but find it offensive to speak English, the language of the United States? Come on thats bullshit. The rules are there for a reason, and if you make the choice and sign up to the United States Army, you also make the choice to follow their rules and speak their language.

 

[ARon]

I dont think they found it offensive to speak English. Also what he is saying about only speaking English in the Army is bullshit, they have bi-lingual Officers for a reason, and also why do you think there is always a bi-lingual recruiter at your local recruiting office. You must be able to speak English but speaking any language is allowed. And him asking them to speak English so he can understand is acceptable, but it is not like they are in the wrong and they have to speak English so he can understand, they would only tell them otherwise because it would be an Act of Humility(for instance say if they were making fun of him), which is not allowed, but hardly carried out.

 

[Duke]

I understand his point. Almost every American I meet has the same mindset. He has a point, and his point is wrong. Bottom LINE.

Welcome to Assumptions a Plenty

 

[S O F I]

The difference is you are at SCHOOL, he is in the UNITED STATES army, if they want to speak Mexican they should have joined the Mexican army. The last time I checked, Spanish was not the official language of the United States, and thus should not be used in the US Army.

Judging from his post, they weren't in the battlefield at the time. They probably had "free time" and could have chosen to either play cards, do push-ups, or have a conversation in their native language. Your last sentence is wrong. They should be allowed to speak Spanish unless it's at a bad time, for example, during a lesson. If the law states they can't, it's a bullshit law to begin with.

Furthermore this type of thing promotes a "us and them" attitude, which when in battle, could cost someone their life.

Wrong. Fields telling them to go back to their country promotes a "us and them" attitude.

Im Polish living in Australia, I speak Polish with my family and
my Polish friends, but I would not speak Polish in a formal situation where I am representing Australia, an English country, that would just be stupid.

Again, I don't know what kind of situation the guys were in, but I doubt it was formal.

These guys are whiling to die for the United States but find it offensive to speak English, the language of the United States?

What makes you think they find it offensive to speak English? They just don't feel comfortable speaking English in between them, because they're all Mexican. I can tell you this, and Chronic can tell you this, speaking another language with friends from your country is one of the most uncomfortable and gayest things. If you don't think so...I'll stop there.

Come on thats bullshit. The rules are there for a reason, and if you make the choice and sign up to the United States Army, you also make the choice to follow their rules and speak their language.

You're saying that now, but, it would be different if you were in that same situation as those Mexicans.

 

[Baukem]

The last time I checked, Spanish was not the official language of the United States, and thus should not be used in the US Army.

english isnt an official language in america either, since USA doesnt have an official language.

it was close on adopting german, spanish, portuguese and french throughout the history of the USA as the official language though.
but it always led to controversy hence why there is no official language ...

http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20011107.html

The United States is (as of 2005) the home of approximately 336 languages (spoken or signed) of which 176 are indigenous to the area. 52 languages formerly spoken in the US territory are now extinct (Grimes 2000).

funny story:

Well, I'm sure you've all heard about those tobacco lawsuits. You know, where somebody dies/gets lung cancer from smoking cigarettes. Well the US Supreme Court has found the tobacco industry guilty of conspiracy to keep the public from finding out the truth about cigarettes: They're bad for you.
Of course, some people disagree with the decisions to punish the tobacco industry for doing something after you say it's okay to do so, and some radicals even go so far as to claim that smokers know the dangers of smoking. But, obviously, if people knew that it could kill them, they wouldn't smoke, right?
So for all you "pro-responsibility" people, here are the facts:
The US Government realized that smoking is bad for your health, so they told the tobacco companies that they had to put a label on each package warning people that it could make them sick or kill them, HOWEVER, the Government didn't tell them that language the labels had to be in! "Ah ha!" thought the tobacco industry, "A loophole!" So, as you might imagine, the evil tobacco companies put the labels on each and every package of cigarettes, just as ordered but with an unanticipated twist: ALL THE LABELS WERE IN ENGLISH! Since Americans don't speak english, nobody knew what it said and were unaware of the dangers of smoking.

I have no idea what language people do speak in this country, but apparently it's not english. If you find out what it really is, please tell me, 'cause I need to learn it.