Humans Beings are a Disease?

[Prophet G]

From the Matrix:

very mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area, and you multiply, and multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet, you are a plague.

I love this quote from the movie becuz i believe its true. Anyone agree that we humans are a disease?

 

[Flipmo]

It is true. We are parasites. We go to spot, find something of worth and suck it all dry. Trees, Oil, Minerals..

We just take it all without caring what it could do or finding a replacable matter that can be always replentished

 

[TecK NeeX]

dumbest thing i've read, what good are natural resources if not used? is chopping a tree down to put roofs over our heads so bad? just plant 2 extra seeds in its place and problem solved. Natural resources and everything else that benefits us were not put here for no purpose, they were intentionally created along everything else to enable us human beings to survive and advance our way of living for the better until our days are up. yes there are the few that abuse these resources but for the majority of us that depend on these resources for good purposes is simply not enough to put a halt to it. IMO

 

[Amara]

I agree with the quote and have made reference to it a couple of times on the board...

"It struck me, because I see it as so true, even though that is probably the worst thing we could say about humans as an entity. We take our existence and place in it for granted, as if it is our right to cause destruction to the environment, draining it of its resources. Look at how we have torn up and polluted the earth - we are a disease and we are spreading."

"humans are a land devouring, resource eating band of predators, bent on securing our own environmental downfall."

 

[Rukas]

I dont really agree.

I think we are worse. A disease does not attack itself, a flu cell does not naturally want to destroy another flu cell. Diseases are systematic and the cells work as a part of a whole. They do not try to out do one another and have no ulterior motive other than the survival of the whole, not each individual.. Humans are not like this, they are selfish and want what is best for them individually or in a small group (family, business, etc), not what is best for the whole.

Humanity is however, by definition, a parasite.

"An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host."

We really contribute nothing to the survival of the planet, in that, our existence does not benefit the planets survival in anyway. Now this is not necessarily a negative thing, as the same can be said for any living creature on earth, and in fact the same can be said for the planet in the context of the universe.

 

[not really ken]

If there is no subjugation to a just authority, whatever that may be, then yes man-kind is inherently arrogant.

 

[The.Menace]

dumbest thing i've read, what good are natural resources if not used? is chopping a tree down to put roofs over our heads so bad? just plant 2 extra seeds in its place and problem solved. Natural resources and everything else that benefits us were not put here for no purpose, they were intentionally created along everything else to enable us human beings to survive and advance our way of living for the better until our days are up. yes there are the few that abuse these resources but for the majority of us that depend on these resources for good purposes is simply not enough to put a halt to it. IMO

You don't get it. It's not about chopping a tree down, that would be no problem. What we talk about is CO2 and Kyoto for example. Why wouldn't we all agree to the Kyoto protocol, even through we know that we should do something to protect our nature?

 

[Chronic]

I agree. That's why I hope one day soon the human race will die out.

dumbest thing i've read, what good are natural resources if not used? is chopping a tree down to put roofs over our heads so bad? just plant 2 extra seeds in its place and problem solved. Natural resources and everything else that benefits us were not put here for no purpose, they were intentionally created along everything else to enable us human beings to survive and advance our way of living for the better until our days are up. yes there are the few that abuse these resources but for the majority of us that depend on these resources for good purposes is simply not enough to put a halt to it. IMO

Funny that you say it's the dumbest thing you've ever read when your posts shows that you didn't understand it. That quote says that we consume a resource entirely and then move on to the next until nothing else is left. By doing so we kill off the entire world and in the end we will have no resources left so ultimately we kill ourselves. How does that not make us a plague to the world?
It doesn't say that we shouldn't use natural resources, it says that we don't adapt to the world but simply use everything to our advantage. We're slowly but surely destroying the world making the quote is true. So how exactly is it the dumbest thing you've ever read? Please explain it me.

Would I be correct in saying that you have no problems with several animal species having died out by our hands? Or the fact that entire rainforests are being chopped down? Do you agree with the existence of zoos?

Do you believe that everything was put on earth to benefit us ("were intentionally created along everything else")? Is this a religious point of view? What about the living creatures at the bottom of the ocean, how do they benefit us? How does a tick benefit us? How do stars and other planets benefit us?

 

[Bender]

I was contemplating the exact same concept before breakfast this morning. Pac brought it on to me:

'Niggaz don't die we multiply' = Bacteria multiplies too.



'Cancers, bastard cancers.'

 

[ill-matic]

I dont really agree.

.. Humans are not like this, they are selfish and want what is best for them individually or in a small group (family, business, etc), not what is best for the whole.

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I guess my response to this is based on a Marxist-Leninist point of view.

Is what you're saying essentially dependant on what political/economic system you are referring too? In terms of Capitalism you're quite correct, but if we see it in terms of Communism for example then that's not entirely true is it? Perhaps I'm wrong but aspects of Communism don't entail the greed and desire for 'wants' rather than 'needs' that is associated with the Capitalist ideology. I mean, read this:

Communism is a term that can refer to one of several things: a social and economic system, an ideology which supports that system, or a political movement that wishes to implement that system.

As a theoretical social and economic system, communism would be a type of egalitarian society with no state, no privately owned means of production, no money and no social classes. In communism, all property is owned cooperatively and collectively, by the community as a whole, and all people have equal social and economic status and rights. Theoretically, under communism, human need or advancement is not left unsatisfied because of poverty, and is rather solved through distribution of resources as needed. This is thus often the system proposed to solve the problem of the capitalist poverty cycle.

Perhaps the best known maxim of a communist society is "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." This economic model is also referred to as a gift economy."

I don't want to seem like I'm preaching or anything, but is it fair to say we only are the equivalent of "parasites" when we are under a capitalist system?

 

[Sebastian]

Is what you're saying essentially dependant on what political/economic system you are referring too? In terms of Capitalism you're quite correct, but if we see it in terms of Communism for example then that's not entirely true is it? Perhaps I'm wrong but aspects of Communism don't entail the greed and desire for 'wants' rather than 'needs' that is associated with the Capitalist ideology.

just theoretically you might be right....

Humans are not like this, they are selfish and want what is best for them individually or in a small group (family, business, etc), not what is best for the whole.

...but because what Ruk said is true, communism will never work.

I mean, read this:

Communism is a term that can refer to one of several things: a social and economic system, an ideology which supports that system, or a political movement that wishes to implement that system.

As a theoretical social and economic system, communism would be a type of egalitarian society with no state, no privately owned means of production, no money and no social classes. In communism, all property is owned cooperatively and collectively, by the community as a whole, and all people have equal social and economic status and rights. Theoretically, under communism, human need or advancement is not left unsatisfied because of poverty, and is rather solved through distribution of resources as needed. This is thus often the system proposed to solve the problem of the capitalist poverty cycle.

Perhaps the best known maxim of a communist society is "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." This economic model is also referred to as a gift economy."

I don't want to seem like I'm preaching or anything, but is it fair to say we only are the equivalent of "parasites" when we are under a capitalist system?

am i right saying that this is wrong?

lets say everybody is getting the same....even in communism they would reach for "more". theoretically more for the whole, which means they would use resources and everything as much as people in capitalism..

im not sure about it, these are just my first thoughts..

 

[ill-matic]

^^ That could be right, but don't forget that capitalism is very money/profit orientated. This has a lot to do with the degradation of the environment and other resources.

 

[Jokerman]

How do stars and other planets benefit us?

They've set up a trust fund for us. No, once we've turned this planet into a shell, we'll move on to another planet and use that up, and so on. That's why there's so many out there. All part of God's bountiful gift to us.

 

[not really ken]

religious point of view?

no, what TeckNeekz said is not a religious point of view. Unless he is not a muslim no more .

 

[TecK NeeX]

That quote says that we consume a resource entirely and then move on to the next until nothing else is left.

Like what? what resources have we humans consumed entirely and moved on to the next? if you can't name one than that quote is the dumbest thing i've read.

By doing so we kill off the entire world and in the end we will have no resources left so ultimately we kill ourselves. How does that not make us a plague to the world?

Absolutely not true. we will never kill off the entire world, we consume resources to help us invent and discover new ones. take oil and gas for example, the number one cause of air pollution is from exhaust emmisions from our automobiles, correct? well all that will be non-existent once hydrogen technology, solar technology and fuel cells replace oil and gas in the near future, once that happens the atmosphere will clean it self out. we would never be this close to inventing such altenatives to oil if it were not for oil and gas. we discover and invent better alternatives and adapt to that.

we could very well invent and discover better materials for our homes that will decrease the amount of trees and rainforests we chop down, better material for paper as well, just imagine how many trees would be saved if we did invent different material for paper and we are so close to. we consume for the time being to find better alternatives and move on to that.

Do you believe that everything was put on earth to benefit us

everything that enables us humans to survive and advance, yes. I dont believe Oxygen, Gravity, the Sun, Rain, water, soil etc just happend to be there by coincidence

("were intentionally created along everything else")?

yes they were intentionally created to benefit us, 'along with everything else' yes but not neccessarily benefiting us humans

What about the living creatures at the bottom of the ocean, how do they benefit us? How does a tick benefit us? How do stars and other planets benefit us?

'everything else' created benefits something, a certain species will benefit another, a tick will benefit another creature, our planets and stars in our solar system benefit our planet, i never said everything created benefits us.

 

[Saint33]

they were intentionally created along everything else to enable us human beings to survive and advance our way of living for the better until our days are up.

i never said everything created benefits us.

I believe the first quote clearly shows that u did say everything created is put on the planet to benefit us. Unless im readin it wrong.

 

[TecK NeeX]

^ yes natural resources and everything else that enables us human beings to survive, so anything that supports human life besides natural resources was put on this planet for us to live

 

[not really ken]

yes they were intentionally created to benefit us, 'along with everything else' yes but not neccessarily benefiting us humans

No, from an islamic perspective everything was not created to benefit us and was not put there for us to use.

Although it could be said that things were created for us to use them in the whole 'spiritual realm' type of thing. To look and reflect about the order of things etc etc (needs another etc for this point being so simplified and discussable (sp?) )

 

[TecK NeeX]

^ Everything? no, but anything that supports human life to continue existing was, like i said before everything created can benefit something but it doesnt have to be us!

 

[Hankaveli]

From the Matrix:

very mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area, and you multiply, and multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet, you are a plague.

I love this quote from the movie becuz i believe its true. Anyone agree that we humans are a disease?

I also love that scene, and agree with it, we are a Cancer of this planet and I have been saying that for 8 years or more.