Homosexuality and Race

[Devious]

it wouldnt matter if it came from gays for a better life.com some of ya'll have your mind made up an cant stand that your wrong, narth isnt the only site that made the same report every site i researched all said there is no scientific proof of a "gay" gene which is what was asked of me, if i had proof. Now if homosexuality is so "normal" then why do they continue to be the highest contractors of hiv?, www.cdc.gov the numbers on there are alarming, an yes i know hiv strikes hertosexuals too, i didnt say it didnt BUT every year the cdc releases its report homosexuals are always the highest carriers of hiv an im not talking about just a few thousand in 2004 there were over 400,000 new hiv infections in the homosexual community, while 17,000 were in the hetrosexual bracket. Now why is that? let me guess its a cover up, please its my belief that homosexuality is a sickness, somthing isnt clicking right an maybe they truly cant help it BUT the notion that your "born that way" is bullshit, i dont see how a "gene" could be passed when genetics is passed through reproduction, which last time i checked a man couldnt impregnate a man an vice versa. Anyway this is a tired ass subject that really makes me question what some of ya'll intent is, obviously to spread the gay agenda around, like i said what you do in your home is your buisness but dont force it on me or my children, keep it to your self an live your life.

This is the kind of prejudice people in this thread were talking about. Who is forcing being gay on you? because homosexuality is more openly accepted nowadays, that doesn't mean anyone is forcing it on you. so you believe that all gay people should just stay in the closet and never admit they are gay so you don't have to hear about it or see it? well with people who are as prejudiced as you out there, they'd probably be better off that way

 

[Glockmatic]

Now if homosexuality is so "normal" then why do they continue to be the highest contractors of hiv?

I guess all of Africa isn't "normal" then

 

[Kareem]

This is the kind of prejudice people in this thread were talking about. Who is forcing being gay on you? because homosexuality is more openly accepted nowadays, that doesn't mean anyone is forcing it on you. so you believe that all gay people should just stay in the closet and never admit they are gay so you don't have to hear about it or see it? well with people who are as prejudiced as you out there, they'd probably be better off that way

how the hell was anything i said prejudice?? no where did i say "fag, homo" ect nor was i gay bashing the whole topic of this thread was comparing dislike for homosexuality to racism or the stuggle of african americans in the 50's an 60's. theres no comparison, an yes its forced on us to believe its ok an normal, look at the media as a perfect example, broke back mountain, will an grace an list goes on. calling me prejudice for not approving of homosexuality is like me calling you Islamaphobic for not beliving or liking Islam, same shit.
Glockmatic what the hell does Africa have to do with this dicussion? Nothing, we all know how high the hiv rate is in Africa im not disputing that nor did i EVER say hetrosexuals do not contract or contribute to the disease, , my statement was homosexuals continue to be the highest contractors an carriers of the disease, no one said in Africa blah blah therefore your argument is irrelevent. Funny thing is someone asked me if i had scientfic proof that homosexuality is not genetic, an i showed my statement to be true, shit i can list other "scientific" studies besides what narth listed if you really wish an they all say the same thing, "there is no gene scientificly proven to cause homosexuality, that myth was brought about by the media". No one said anything about having them stay in the closet, all was said was dont force your shit on me, i dont force mine on you. Anyway i see a few too many getting all butthurt over this, im done.

 

[H.B.]

how the hell was anything i said prejudice?? no where did i say "fag, homo" ect nor was i gay bashing the whole topic of this thread was comparing dislike for homosexuality to racism or the stuggle of african americans in the 50's an 60's. theres no comparison, an yes its forced on us to believe its ok an normal, look at the media as a perfect example, broke back mountain, will an grace an list goes on. calling me prejudice for not approving of homosexuality is like me calling you Islamaphobic for not beliving or liking Islam, same shit.
Glockmatic what the hell does Africa have to do with this dicussion? Nothing, we all know how high the hiv rate is in Africa im not disputing that nor did i EVER say hetrosexuals do not contract or contribute to the disease, , my statement was homosexuals continue to be the highest contractors an carriers of the disease, no one said in Africa blah blah therefore your argument is irrelevent. Funny thing is someone asked me if i had scientfic proof that homosexuality is not genetic, an i showed my statement to be true, shit i can list other "scientific" studies besides what narth listed if you really wish an they all say the same thing, "there is no gene scientificly proven to cause homosexuality, that myth was brought about by the media". No one said anything about having them stay in the closet, all was said was dont force your shit on me, i dont force mine on you. Anyway i see a few too many getting all butthurt over this, im done.

Your statement about the rate of AIDS in the gay community in your previous post inferred that gays are more prone to the disease simply because they are gay, without looking into the factors that cause the high rates. As if because they are gay, they are more likely to get the disease, even if they abstain from sex, which is obviously not true.

Also, you state that you don't want them to force their homosexuality on you. But you also beileve there is no connection between that statement relating to homosexuals and the events of the 50s, 60s, and 70s. If i'm not mistaken, there were plenty of people who said such things when talking about blacks, for example, "they can be black, I just don't want them forcing their 'black behavior' on me". I believe there is a strong connection there. "blacks can be black, just not around me".

This same reasoing cann be applied to your stance on gays. Your stance on the matter gives the impression that all gays have a "gay agenda" and their intentions are to make all people gay, as if they can't be productive members of soceity, as if they can't have a completely non-sexual relation with another man. Isn't that unfounded and irrational? isn't that prejudice?

And your comments about brokeback mountain and will and grace are ridiculous. your saying that movie and that show are bad because they make being homosexual ok. Brokeback mountain and Will and grace especially demonstrate that homosexuals are just like everyone else. They have emotions, they have desires, and they can be just as smart, intellectual, athletic as the next heterosexual. (Even though that is not the intention of that movie or show). Why is it bad to show those things, why is it bad to show that homosexuals are regular people with normal lives? Isn't it prejudice to say that demonstrating such facts is wrong? (And yes, I'm saying its a fact because a homosexual can do anynthing a human being can do).

 

[S O F I]

I'll make another response later, but I just want to know that prejudice isn't saying "gay, homo". When you resort to uttering those terms, you go from prejudice to discrimination.

 

[Devious]

how the hell was anything i said prejudice?? no where did i say "fag, homo" ect nor was i gay bashing the whole topic of this thread was comparing dislike for homosexuality to racism or the stuggle of african americans in the 50's an 60's. theres no comparison, an yes its forced on us to believe its ok an normal, look at the media as a perfect example, broke back mountain, will an grace an list goes on. calling me prejudice for not approving of homosexuality is like me calling you Islamaphobic for not beliving or liking Islam, same shit.
Glockmatic what the hell does Africa have to do with this dicussion? Nothing, we all know how high the hiv rate is in Africa im not disputing that nor did i EVER say hetrosexuals do not contract or contribute to the disease, , my statement was homosexuals continue to be the highest contractors an carriers of the disease, no one said in Africa blah blah therefore your argument is irrelevent. Funny thing is someone asked me if i had scientfic proof that homosexuality is not genetic, an i showed my statement to be true, shit i can list other "scientific" studies besides what narth listed if you really wish an they all say the same thing, "there is no gene scientificly proven to cause homosexuality, that myth was brought about by the media". No one said anything about having them stay in the closet, all was said was dont force your shit on me, i dont force mine on you. Anyway i see a few too many getting all butthurt over this, im done.

Well you need to explain how anything is being forced upon you, because i don't see how a movie about a gay relationship, or a tv show about a gay guy, or anything else showing acceptance of homosexuality is forcing it on you. If you don't like those things, then don't watch them. For you to say its unnatural and wrong, which it may seem to you, that would be the same as me saying that Islam is wrong, or unnatural, to use your own example. Would that not be prejudiced? I may not believe in Islam but I feel they have every right to practice their beliefs, just as gay people have every right to practice homosexuality if they choose to. Or a better example: what you're saying, "Gays can be gay all they want, as long as they keep it out of my face", would that not be the same as me saying, "I don't have a problem with black people, as long as they don't live in my neighborhood?" I don't see much of a difference there. As long as its not breaking the law, people are free to do as they choose. You don't like living in a country that allows people the freedom to do these things? Maybe you should consider moving to a country where homosexuality is still illegal.

 

[Illuminattile]

every site i researched all said there is no scientific proof of a "gay" gene which is what was asked of me, if i had proof.

No, you were asked to prove homosexuality was choice. Showing that a homosexual gene has not been discovered does not prove that. Nobody in this thread has claimed that there is a gay gene, so why keep pointing it out?

Now if homosexuality is so "normal" then why do they continue to be the highest contractors of hiv?

Because anal sex carries a higher risk of HIV infection. Plus, prior to the discovery of AIDS, homosexuals were more promiscuous than heterosexuals (no risk of pregnancy so less use of condoms, for example). This was particularly true in the 60s and 70s when homosexuality was becoming less taboo and less 'underground'. And men are more promiscuous than women. Women have evolved to be less promiscuous because of the greater risks involved in having sex (namely pregnancy).

Besides, in Africa AIDS is more prevalent among heterosexuals than homosexuals.

its my belief that homosexuality is a sickness

Really? Because a couple of posts ago you said it was a choice.

like i said what you do in your home is your buisness but dont force it on me or my children, keep it to your self an live your life.

When was the last time a gay man tried to convince you to join his team? Or tried to 'recruit' your kids?

...an yes its forced on us to believe its ok an normal, look at the media as a perfect example, broke back mountain, will an grace an list goes on.

Yeah, God forbid homosexuals be portrayed as normal people.

 

[Khaled]

And your comments about brokeback mountain and will and grace are ridiculous. your saying that movie and that show are bad because they make being homosexual ok. Brokeback mountain and Will and grace especially demonstrate that homosexuals are just like everyone else.

They have emotions, they have desires, and they can be just as smart, intellectual, athletic as the next heterosexual. (Even though that is not the intention of that movie or show). Why is it bad to show those things, why is it bad to show that homosexuals are regular people with normal lives? Isn't it prejudice to say that demonstrating such facts is wrong? (And yes, I'm saying its a fact because a homosexual can do anynthing a human being can do).

These shows don't demonstrate anything, they attempt to show that gays are normal.


a lot of people believe that homosexuality is not normal. It's natural to be offended when people claim it's ok and that we should acceot it...


as i posted earlier, i think that sexual attarction towards a member of the same sex is the same as sexual attraction towards underaged children.
What if someone says we should allow pedophilia and makes a show to demonstrate that pedophiles being normal people.

 

[Glockmatic]

Pedophile = an adult attracted to children

homosexuality = two adults

do you see a difference?

 

[KDeezy]

It is one and the same as far as im concerned, neither is something that people decide to just do it is something more. A gay person shouldnt be "persecuted" against just like a person of a different race shouldnt be attacked.


What it comes down to is being accepting and in the end that is what should happen it is of no benefit to society to continue such things. Accept it and move on is what i say.

Gay marriage for example is considered wrong or w/e because it will have a damaging affect on society, but just 30 or so years ago Interracial marriage was illegal and considered a damaging force to society if it was allowed.

You can argue oh well pedophilia used to be very common well yeah so what, its wrong and we know it, its a grown person and a child who doesnt have the emotional capacity to deal with such a thing it is flat out WRONG, homosexuality is between two consenting people who have the capacity for such feelings.

People will use scare tactics for anything that is new and foreign to a society and unfortunately people fall for these tactics, instead of seeing a bigger commonality. Humans are human, regardless of orientation, being gay does not make someone inhuman, so why fear or hate?

 

[Illuminattile]

These shows don't demonstrate anything, they attempt to show that gays are normal.

a lot of people believe that homosexuality is not normal. It's natural to be offended when people claim it's ok and that we should acceot it...

This is a ridiculous argument. Who argues that homosexuals don't act like Will Truman or Jack McFarland? Whether you think that homosexuality is 'wrong' or 'unnatural', you can't argue with their portrayal on TV. Gay people live in apartments, have jobs, have straight friends...what part of their portrayal in Will & Grace can you possible object to? Should the show be about how the characters are constantly hounded by right wing conservate religious fundamentalists for living an 'unnatural' lifestyle? Should it show them deliberately forcing their gay agenda on straight people? Should it show them die and go to hell for their sins? What's the bone of contention here?

People accept homosexuality. Not all people, but lots of people. If you get offended by TV shows that portray gay people as being accepted in society, you're a moron.

 

[Khaled]

^^ relax man, that's not my point

i m not offended by the fact that they are portrayed as being accepted, i am offended by the fact that everywhere i look, there are shows about gay people, and that they are all a hit and extremely popular.

as far as i m concerned: homosexuality, incest, pedophilia... they are all the same. So excuse me for not sharing your views about acceptance.



just because people accept homosexuality doesb't mean i have to accept it too.

 

[S O F I]

^^ relax man, that's not my point

i m not offended by the fact that they are portrayed as being accepted, i am offended by the fact that everywhere i look, there are shows about gay people, and that they are all a hit and extremely popular.

as far as i m concerned: homosexuality, incest, pedophilia... they are all the same. So excuse me for not sharing your views about acceptance.



just because people accept homosexuality doesb't mean i have to accept it too.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but homosexuality, incest, and pedophilia are all the same because, in your opinion, they're all a matter of choice? What kind of logic is that?

 

[Khaled]

^^ i think you're misaken me with kareem, i never said it was a matter of choice.

 

[Illuminattile]

i m not offended by the fact that they are portrayed as being accepted, i am offended by the fact that everywhere i look, there are shows about gay people, and that they are all a hit and extremely popular.

Your problem is that the shows are popular? You can't say "I don't like gay people, they shouldn't be on TV, stop watching their shows".